Bears 2023 thread V

[fleet]

https://youtu.be/W9ImrW4QCMQ?si=5O7ZjBR8fTNe2aXG

At 6’4 I’m seeing Daniels as a freak in his ability to run and toss it. He is decisive, gets through his read quick, calm in the pocket, and anticipates. He does get a lot of time to throw and has great WRs. Kelley is a good offensive coach too. Maybe he has developed him.

I’m not into Maye at all.
CW has all the talent but all the signals are bad vibes.

Mocks have Daniels 5-7 now.

My concerns

Daniels: Has been projected to have the abilty to be an NFL starter. I want significantly more than just that starter upside. Hell, I have that right now already. Hell, I have that now with Bagent.

Williams: The weird red flags indicate a flake that can be more of a pain in the ass than he is worth on the field. The painted nails are fine. I just don't want this guy to become a supernova of a diva that places an inordinate amount of stress on the Bears resources to keep him happy. The Bears aren't that kind of franchise that can handle it. We need user friendly in Chicago. I was glad to see that he is said to be a great leader without a sense of entitlement. I need that to be an accurate report.


Maye: I like THE IDEA of Maye. More than any other quarterback in the draft I don't know how much of that is reality.

[mack2354]

I wonder if Caleb saying his entering of the draft this year is a game time decision based on us being projected to get the top pick.

Let him stay in college. 1 less top QB prospect makes Maye that more important thus making that top pick more valuable in a trade down.

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[TheJordanRule]

Jeff Hughes reports Fields skepticism in the Building.



https://www.dabearsblog.com/2023/five-questions-with-five-games-remaining

Justin doesn't pull the trigger. Doesn’t anticipate and throw his WRs open AND he turns it over.

What makes me doubt Fields are that he has 6-12 plays every game where he just doesn't look like an NFL QB. He doesn't look like he knows what he's doing. These are when he has time to throw the ball, doesn't, and then the rush comes, and he just runs around, looking for daylight, not really doing anything that looks constructive, rarely makes a throw that has a chance to be completed, and is either sacked, fumbles, or throws an incompletion. We see far too many of these kinds of plays. At least Bagent would make a decision and throw the ball.

These are among the more damning criticisms of Justin. Speed in processing is an issue, and he is prone to big bonehead plays. But Justin's pretty smart and I think these issues are something he's just going to grow out of. Let's keep an open mind to revisiting these problems at season's end. Right now, we're working with an incomplete set of games and small sample sizes typically stink at giving us an accurate reflection of anything.

[Dresden]

Justin doesn't pull the trigger. Doesn’t anticipate and throw his WRs open AND he turns it over.

What makes me doubt Fields are that he has 6-12 plays every game where he just doesn't look like an NFL QB. He doesn't look like he knows what he's doing. These are when he has time to throw the ball, doesn't, and then the rush comes, and he just runs around, looking for daylight, not really doing anything that looks constructive, rarely makes a throw that has a chance to be completed, and is either sacked, fumbles, or throws an incompletion. We see far too many of these kinds of plays. At least Bagent would make a decision and throw the ball.

These are among the more damning criticisms of Justin. Speed in processing is an issue, and he is prone to big bonehead plays. But Justin's pretty smart and I think these issues are something he's just going to grow out of. Let's keep an open mind to revisiting these problems at season's end. Right now, we're working with an incomplete set of games and small sample sizes typically stink at giving us an accurate reflection of anything.

The thing is, it's year 3 for him now and he still hasn't grown out of them.

[Dresden]

On Caleb not declaring it could be a lot of things- maybe he wants a warm weather city, maybe he feels he let the program down this year and wants another year at USC to make up for that, maybe he feels he just may not be ready for the NFL pressure and lifestyle. Being the BMOC at a major university is a pretty nice thing I would imagine. So who knows, it could be a lot of things weighing on his mind.

I don't put any stock in the notion that he's a diva or will be a high maintenance player. I think he wants to win, and that's fine. MJ was a bit of a diva at times too, but it all came out of his unquenchable desire to win. I'd like to see our players put pressure on the organization to build a winner, rather than being content to just get their checks and go home.

[dice]

I wonder if Caleb saying his entering of the draft this year is a game time decision based on us being projected to get the top pick.

Let him stay in college. 1 less top QB prospect makes Maye that more important thus making that top pick more valuable in a trade down.

i do not believe that at all. maye might well not even be the #1 pick if caleb stays

[Dresden]

Smith-Njigba looking good tonight for SEA.

[Dresden]

SEA just scored 3 TD"s in the last 16 seconds of the first half. Only one of them counted, however.

[dice]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

[dice]

28-6 vegas expected final score of mich-iowa game

[Chi town]

28-6 vegas expected final score of mich-iowa game

Iowa won’t even score unless their defense does.

[Dresden]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

I'm afraid it won't matter if Fields is still QB. I would hope the Bears at least bring in a veteran from somewhere to compete with Justin for the starting job.

[Almost Retired]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

I'm afraid it won't matter if Fields is still QB. I would hope the Bears at least bring in a veteran from somewhere to compete with Justin for the starting job.

I think the fate of Fields in a Bear uniform rests on 3 factors: 1) His performance to close out the year, 2) Whether or not we have a new coaching staff next year, and 3) Financial considerations. The Bears would probably save $100 million over the next 5 years if grabbed a QB in the Draft. That buys a lot of extra talent to support the QB. My gut tells me that if the defense keeps performing at a high level then Poles may keep Eberflus but demand a new OC.

[Fl_Flash]

I think the fate of Fields in a Bear uniform rests on 3 factors: 1) His performance to close out the year, 2) Whether or not we have a new coaching staff next year, and 3) Financial considerations. The Bears would probably save $100 million over the next 5 years if grabbed a QB in the Draft. That buys a lot of extra talent to support the QB. My gut tells me that if the defense keeps performing at a high level then Poles may keep Eberflus but demand a new OC.

Pretty much agree. I just can't see Fields here beyond this season.

Much of that will hinge upon how the front office evaluates the issue with Fields and Getsy. The issue with the offense, in my opinion, isn't 100% on either guy. Fields isn't the guy to run Getsy's offense but is there a good offense that Fields can run and be successful in? I don't know. Is Getsy not flexible enough to adjust his scheme to fit Fields? Not sure.

I can see a scenario where Flus stays, Getsy is gone and the Bears start over with a new QB from this draft. It really all depends on how the FO sees Getsy and if his offense is what they want. If so, Fields isn't the guy and it would be best to get a QB that processes quickly and is very accurate - especially on the short throws.

Gonna be an interesting last few games if only to see how this Justin Fields shakes out.

[CjayC]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

I'm afraid it won't matter if Fields is still QB. I would hope the Bears at least bring in a veteran from somewhere to compete with Justin for the starting job.

I'm tired of the *Put talent around an average QB strategy*. It seems like the Bears have been trying this (To varying degrees of success) for the last 20 years between Grossman, Cutler, Trubisky, and now some are suggesting we run it back with Fields. Nail the QB first this time please.

Fields' flaws are his flaws. If you don't think you can fix his: Spotty accuracy (On anything not a moonball, or a short pass), Field vision, Pocket presence, Footwork in the pocket, hesitation to pull the trigger (leading to throwaways, turndowns leaving yards on the field, and sacks), ability to read defensive leverage, ability to throw with anticipation, turnover issues, etc.. Then he's not the guy if you can reset it with a cheaper contract. He's 'A' guy you can win with, IF you surround him with superior talent (Which should always be the goal regardless of whose your QB), but he'll never be 'THE' guy that elevates your team to overachieve.

[panthermark]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

I'm afraid it won't matter if Fields is still QB. I would hope the Bears at least bring in a veteran from somewhere to compete with Justin for the starting job.

I'm tired of the *Put talent around an average QB strategy*. It seems like the Bears have been doing it for the last 20 years between Grossman, Cutler, Trubisky, and now some are suggesting we run it back with Fields..

Fields' flaws are his flaws. If you don't think you can fix his: Spotty accuracy (On anything not a moonball, or a short pass), Field vision, Footwork in the pocket, hesitation to pull the trigger (leading to sacks, and throwaways), ability to read defensive leverage, ability to throw with anticipation, turnover issues, etc.. Then he's not the guy if you can reset it with a cheaper contract. He's 'A' guy you can win with, IF you surround him with superior talent (Which should always be the goal regardless of whose your QB), but he'll never be 'THE' guy that elevates your team to overachieve.

You are 100% correct. The problem of course is what you proposed ("Nail the QB first this time please") is far easier said than done. Every team wants to nail the QB the first time. It is why the NFL is littered with 1st round QB draft picks that are not "that guy".

If you don't land "that guy", what do you do with the rest of your team?

[Almost Retired]

I'm really looking forward to this night's game between Oregon and Washington. Can Nix continue his dominant performances? If he does the Heisman might be his. Can Penix get back to mid season form? His last 2 games have not been that impressive. And I want another look at Odunze. He's my 2nd favorite WR behind Harrison Jr. I don't see a scenario where we nab Caleb or Maye and still get Harrison. But a first pick QB still gives us a chance to draft a top WR with our own pick. Whoever our QB is next year they need a WR opposite of Moore, and a center than can block and snap the ball. I'm still torn on the QB situation. What would give us the best chance for sustained success: Drafting Harrison #1 and Nix with our own pick, or taking Caleb at #1 and Odunze with our own pick? I'm higher on Nix than a lot of the posters here. I've watched him so many times. What wins you the most games....a QB that can make the spectacular play but fumbles too much or a very accurate passer who rarely commits any kind of turnover? I still think Nix is good enough, like a Joe Burrow, if given a good O-Lina and weapons to throw to.

[Dresden]

this week's simulated draft:

1 cards - caleb
2 bears - marvin
3 pats - maye
4 wash - verse
5 - giants - nabers
6 cowboys (trade w/ bears) - fashanu

24 bears - odunze + 2025 1st

marvin/DJ/odunze/kmet potential for best receiving corps ever. 2 years after the bears had maybe one of the worst

I'm afraid it won't matter if Fields is still QB. I would hope the Bears at least bring in a veteran from somewhere to compete with Justin for the starting job.

I'm tired of the *Put talent around an average QB strategy*. It seems like the Bears have been trying this (To varying degrees of success) for the last 20 years between Grossman, Cutler, Trubisky, and now some are suggesting we run it back with Fields. Nail the QB first this time please.

Fields' flaws are his flaws. If you don't think you can fix his: Spotty accuracy (On anything not a moonball, or a short pass), Field vision, Pocket presence, Footwork in the pocket, hesitation to pull the trigger (leading to throwaways, turndowns leaving yards on the field, and sacks), ability to read defensive leverage, ability to throw with anticipation, turnover issues, etc.. Then he's not the guy if you can reset it with a cheaper contract. He's 'A' guy you can win with, IF you surround him with superior talent (Which should always be the goal regardless of whose your QB), but he'll never be 'THE' guy that elevates your team to overachieve.

It just seems like such a no brainer to pick a QB in this draft. One, is the salary issue. Two is that fields still lacks a lot of fundamentals, and it's year 3. How many more years can we wait? Three is that there are two excellent QB prospects in this draft, at least. Likely a few more (Nix, Penix) that would also be massive upgrades. Unless Fields plays at an All Pro level these next games, it's an open and shut case to move on from him.

[Dresden]

I'm really looking forward to this night's game between Oregon and Washington. Can Nix continue his dominant performances? If he does the Heisman might be his. Can Penix get back to mid season form? His last 2 games have not been that impressive. And I want another look at Odunze. He's my 2nd favorite WR behind Harrison Jr. I don't see a scenario where we nab Caleb or Maye and still get Harrison. But a first pick QB still gives us a chance to draft a top WR with our own pick. Whoever our QB is next year they need a WR opposite of Moore, and a center than can block and snap the ball. I'm still torn on the QB situation. What would give us the best chance for sustained success: Drafting Harrison #1 and Nix with our own pick, or taking Caleb at #1 and Odunze with our own pick? I'm higher on Nix than a lot of the posters here. I've watched him so many times. What wins you the most games....a QB that can make the spectacular play but fumbles too much or a very accurate passer who rarely commits any kind of turnover? I still think Nix is good enough, like a Joe Burrow, if given a good O-Lina and weapons to throw to.

I'll be watching too. If Nix can be the guy, and we can take MJH first, that would be a dream scenario. Watching DAL/SEA play last night was interesting. Both put up a lot of points. SEA has Tyler Locket, DJ Metcalf, and still drafted Smith Njigba. That's 3 very good wideouts. DAL has Lamb, Michael Gallup, Ferguson, a very good TE, and another good WR whose name I can't recall. Both teams 3 deep at WR plus good TE's. It makes a ton of difference.

I do think if you put Mooney on either team, he looks way better that he does with us. Borderline star. Tyler Scott it's just hard to say yet, but he could be just fine as well.

My inclination is to get the QB and O line set first, and then add to WR's as needed. But I get the temptation of an all-time prospect like MHJ too.

[1985Bear]

I see some chatter here about trading back and still taking a QB in round 1. Or MHJ and another QB with our pick. This all seems like crazy talk.

If we are moving on from Fields, we are taking a QB with pick 1. No time in history did a QB needy team, move back in draft with top QB prospects on the board and then select the better QB in the draft. And if this was possible, would anyone think the Chicago Bears are savvy enough to pull it off?


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What makes it crazy or not is if you believe the Bears are a "QB needy team" or not. Sure, if you think Fields is trash then you pick a QB that is rated the highest and hope for the best. If you think Fields is an "okay" QB that is being held back some by the scheme/play calling then picking the BPA regardless of position is the better call. By your logic it wouldn't make sense for any team ever to draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds if they owned a pick in the 1st round. If you needed a QB bad enough to draft so high why not take the better prospect in the first? If you didn't need a QB then why waste a pick in a round that usually projects to be a starter for a player you don't project to start on your team?

You are correct that teams who are QB needy won't pass on a higher rated prospect for a lower rated prospect. I'm not convinced the Bears have given up on Fields. We could have drafted Bryce Young or CJ Stroud if we thought Fields was trash. Although we have lost a lot of games and Fields hasn't been playing at a Pro Bowl Level he hasn't been playing like trash. His last 5 games have been actually very good minus the fumbles. If he plays at his current level and can clean up the fumbles for the rest of the season, I can totally see Poles giving Fields another year and maybe drafting a 2nd tier QB.

Yes, my logic says if you need a QB, I would not draft one in the second, third or any round after the first. It’s a Hail Mary pick that is hoping that your outlier pick will become Purdy/Hurts which are once every decade shots..

In last 10 years of NFL QB drafts:

Only 9 QBs have been taken in the second round: 3 winners, Hurts, Jimmy G, d Carr are the only winners.

15 QBs drafted in third round- Zero quality starters.

Rounds 4-7, 72 QBs drafted, 2 winners Dak and Purdy.

ROUND 1 -picks 12-32, 6 QBs taken, Lamar only legit.

Where do you get a quality QB: Round 1 top 12 picks: 24 Drafted = 12 good QBs.

So in 10 years:
picks 1-12= 12 Starters on 24 picks.

Picks 13-224= 6 starters out of 101 picks.


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