2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[Guru]

I get not liking Queen but I don't get how you see what Queen is on offense and he's absurdly polished for a Freshman, and you don't like that but you want Maluach who can't do anything but be tall and dunk it.

[nomorezorro]

someone who's extremely good at being tall and dunking can provide more value than someone who's modestly good at a bunch of varied skills without being great at any of them

[Jvaughn]

Good points. I hadn't thought about the Cousins comp. That's probably the best one I've heard.

Yeah, definitely best comp I've seen. Obviously Cousins was stronger and more skilled as a prospect, but I can see the comparison.

Doesn’t he also have a similar skill set as Vuc ? Meaning no defense or athleticism but good offensively.

I’d be surprised if the bulls drafted another center like that no matter what happens with Vuc. Also strange how many fans that hate on Vuc would want someone like Queen as their center.

Vuc as a prospect, maybe. But Vuc as a pro is a way better shooter. But Queen is a much better ball handler. I've never seen Vuc iso from the perimeter. That would be some out of body stuff

[Guru]

someone who's extremely good at being tall and dunking can provide more value than someone who's modestly good at a bunch of varied skills without being great at any of them

Queen is not modestly good at offense.

[Jvaughn]

I get not liking Queen but I don't get how you see what Queen is on offense and he's absurdly polished for a Freshman, and you don't like that but you want Maluach who can't do anything but be tall and dunk it.

What Maluach brings to the game, IMO is way more important in the modern NBA from your C. Paint protection is almost a must have unless your overall team defense is elite in the case of Denver and Houston. Your C being able to take people off the dribble is a luxury.

[Guru]

I get not liking Queen but I don't get how you see what Queen is on offense and he's absurdly polished for a Freshman, and you don't like that but you want Maluach who can't do anything but be tall and dunk it.

What Maluach brings to the game, IMO is way more important in the modern NBA from your C. Paint protection is almost a must have unless your overall team defense is elite in the case of Denver and Houston. Your C being able to take people off the dribble is a luxury.

Having an elite scorer is not a luxury.

[Guru]

What does Maluach provide that Maxime Raynaud doesn't? On D he is more active and can move around better. But he wasn't an amazing shot blocker. This is a projection.

Raynaud is light years about him on offense.

[Jvaughn]

I get not liking Queen but I don't get how you see what Queen is on offense and he's absurdly polished for a Freshman, and you don't like that but you want Maluach who can't do anything but be tall and dunk it.

What Maluach brings to the game, IMO is way more important in the modern NBA from your C. Paint protection is almost a must have unless your overall team defense is elite in the case of Denver and Houston. Your C being able to take people off the dribble is a luxury.

Having an elite scorer is not a luxury.

Elite is a pretty big exaggeration. He mainly scores on 1 way that may or may not translate to the next level. If he was a good shooter in addition, you'd have a point, but that's assuming he'll gain that is a pretty tough bet for a guy who just shot 20% from 3. NBA defenses are going to sag off of him and make him either shoot or drive into a clogged paint.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Danny Wolf is too tall and good at passing to not take if you think he can not be a liability on defense as a 4/spot 5. Passing ability can't be taken away from you when you're that tall. And he has a handle, and his jumper form is good. I don't think he has superstar potential but he definitely has gamebreaker/ critical cog potential. He'll be in the Chet/KAT role. But i really don't know how many guys his height can dribble like he can. He's unique. It all comes down to his defense.

[Hangtime84]

Danny Wolf is too tall and good at passing to not take if you think he can not be a liability on defense as a 4/spot 5. Passing ability can't be taken away from you when you're that tall. And he has a handle, and his jumper form is good. I don't think he has superstar potential but he definitely has gamebreaker/ critical cog potential. He'll be in the Chet/KAT role. But i really don't know how many guys his height can dribble like he can. He's unique. It all comes down to his defense.

I don’t see why people aren’t mocking him higher way too good offensively and can function as a 4 in jumbo lineup.

[WesPeace]

Bulls need to draft for need this draft if they are serious to get better.. we need good defensive twoway SF or good defensive twoway Center. No way around it.. unless AK trades White also for first rounder-s.

[HomoSapien]

NBAdraft.net's latest mock has Jase Richardson, Danny Wolf, and Boyles-Murray going in the early in the 2nd. If that's the case, I would really like to see us get another pick. They were the most accurate mock draft a few years back.

[Guru]

What Maluach brings to the game, IMO is way more important in the modern NBA from your C. Paint protection is almost a must have unless your overall team defense is elite in the case of Denver and Houston. Your C being able to take people off the dribble is a luxury.

Having an elite scorer is not a luxury.

Elite is a pretty big exaggeration. He mainly scores on 1 way that may or may not translate to the next level. If he was a good shooter in addition, you'd have a point, but that's assuming he'll gain that is a pretty tough bet for a guy who just shot 20% from 3. NBA defenses are going to sag off of him and make him either shoot or drive into a clogged paint.

He's a good shooter, just doesn't shoot 3s. Those are different things.

NBA teams won't sag off him because they will have other 3 point shooters on the team and his facilitation is so good he will find the open man.

This all or nothing 3 point shooter or bad player thinking needs to stop. This isn't one on one.

[League Circles]

People seem to misunderstand Vuc's problem.

It's not his defense.

It's that he's not actually effective on offense.

His defense is an absolutely enormous problem. He's much better on offense than he is on D.

[Jvaughn]

Having an elite scorer is not a luxury.

Elite is a pretty big exaggeration. He mainly scores on 1 way that may or may not translate to the next level. If he was a good shooter in addition, you'd have a point, but that's assuming he'll gain that is a pretty tough bet for a guy who just shot 20% from 3. NBA defenses are going to sag off of him and make him either shoot or drive into a clogged paint.

He's a good shooter, just doesn't shoot 3s. Those are different things.

NBA teams won't sag off him because they will have other 3 point shooters on the team and his facilitation is so good he will find the open man.

This all or nothing 3 point shooter or bad player thinking needs to stop. This isn't one on one.

Because he CAN'T shoot 3s is the reason why teams will absolutely say off. Especially if you think he's going to be a cog player who's a good facilitator. Sagging off is how you close up those passing lanes.

[othawhitemeat]

Danny Wolf is too tall and good at passing to not take if you think he can not be a liability on defense as a 4/spot 5. Passing ability can't be taken away from you when you're that tall. And he has a handle, and his jumper form is good. I don't think he has superstar potential but he definitely has gamebreaker/ critical cog potential. He'll be in the Chet/KAT role. But i really don't know how many guys his height can dribble like he can. He's unique. It all comes down to his defense.

Ive seen Wolf get shut down by small forwards and shooting guards. He has some skills but needs to be tougher.

[sco]

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I like any of these guys!
I think I rank them Coward/Fleming/Bryant, but if we draft any of them at 12, I'd be thrilled.

[TheSuzerain]

People seem to misunderstand Vuc's problem.

It's not his defense.

It's that he's not actually effective on offense.

His defense is an absolutely enormous problem. He's much better on offense than he is on D.

Right. So he's a bad defender with no real benefit offensively.

If he actually was a driver of efficient NBA offense, we'd be a lot less bothered by the defense.

[kodo]

NBAdraft.net's latest mock has Jase Richardson, Danny Wolf, and Boyles-Murray going in the early in the 2nd. If that's the case, I would really like to see us get another pick. They were the most accurate mock draft a few years back.

Yeah I'm annoyed we gave away all our 2nd round picks. Nembhard was a 2nd round pick. Hartenstein was a 2nd round pick. McBridge was a 2nd round pick. Wiggins was a 2nd round pick. All still playing in the playoffs.

Other than the SAC 2nd rounder from Lavine, AK burned up our 2nd rounders til 2028.

[sco]

NBAdraft.net's latest mock has Jase Richardson, Danny Wolf, and Boyles-Murray going in the early in the 2nd. If that's the case, I would really like to see us get another pick. They were the most accurate mock draft a few years back.

Yeah I'm annoyed we gave away all our 2nd round picks. Nembhard was a 2nd round pick. Hartenstein was a 2nd round pick. McBridge was a 2nd round pick. Wiggins was a 2nd round pick. All still playing in the playoffs.

Other than the SAC 2nd rounder from Lavine, AK burned up our 2nd rounders til 2028.

Fine, trade guys like Terry and you can have a second rounder. I just don't think we can develop more than 1 player per year.