LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

Post #1281 » by **pduh01** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:55 am

red222 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
Seriously? They're seriously going to be ok with dealing Noah?

To hear that actually breaks my heart a little. Noah is perhaps my favorite player in the whole league.

If they got a replacement C yes, but that's the problem IMO, I don't see us getting one. The Bulls don't want to deal him, but they know to get LMA that is what Portland wants. So they are seeing if they can get a C if they deal Jo.

In the end I see someone like Dallas or Houston getting LMA
with what assets?

For Houston if they can get Dwight I could see them trade Asik to Portland in part of the deal for Dallas.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #1282 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:56 am

Ralphb07 wrote:Also we're number 1 on his list, but Dallas, Houston and LAL are on his list too.

Oh god...if Houston gets Dwight and then they flip Asik and whatever for LMA...Dwight/LMA/Parsons/Harden...

Please don't happen.

Dallas doesn't have any assets to trade for him. All they have is cap space.

Lakers don't have the assets either. Portland's gonna trade LMA for over-the-hill Gasol or near-retirement Nash or recovering-from-achilles-surgery Kobe?

I see Houston as the biggest threat.

Post #1283 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:56 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I for one have not heard Jimmy's name, but it will take Noah to land him. I've heard Jo and the Bobcats pick is what they were asking for.

I think the Bulls would deal Noah, but only if they can line up a C. I think that's what they are seeing now, if they can get a C to replace JO

Seriously? They're seriously going to be ok with dealing Noah?

To hear that actually breaks my heart a little. Noah is perhaps my favorite player in the whole league.

Me too. It would feel weird not having noah on the team.

Man I hope if they do a trade we can keep noah. Noah and rose are the only untouchables. I love jimmy, but those two I would think are the pillars for this team.

Saphir · Post #1284 » by **Saphir** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:56 am

Noah and Butler for Aldridge?

Seems kinda lateral in a vacuum. Could a Boozer swap also be in order?

...And Butler's contract is just so good. I can't help but think you have to do better in a trade.

I also wonder if the phrase "the Bulls continue to rebuff attempts by the shared agency of Rose and LaMarcus Aldridge to bring the Trail Blazers' All-Star forward to Chicago." is kind of misleading. It almost seems like the Bulls are refusing to discuss bringing in Aldridge when I think they're listening, but they don't like Portland's initial asking price. And that seems perfectly normal, since that's what you do in trade negotiations. Wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls' counteroffer was something laughable like Boozer for Aldridge straight up.

chocodog · Post #1285 » by **chocodog** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:57 am

LA, Matthews, Leonard FOR noah, butler, bobcats pick

Jimmy Forums · Post #1286 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 3:57 am

Deng, Kirk for Eric Gordon, Robin Lopez.

Robin Lopez, Taj, CHA pick, 2015 1st-rounder for LMA? Close at all?

Ralphb07 · Post #1287 » by **Ralphb07** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:00 am

HomoSapien wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if we made a bigger trade this offseason. Gar may need to do something to get the attention off his relationship with Thibs.

From what I hear they are really trying for LMA hard and have a lot of things they are looking at. These talks have been going on for months now and I think the Bulls finally realize that Portland is no budging from Jo

The Bulls are watching this Houston thing closely with Howard. If Dwight goes there I think we try and get Asik, though I think it will be tough. A lot of teams will be going after him.

Not to start, but if I am the Bulls I am getting Leonard or Withey back in any LMA trade to be our back up C

red222 · Post #1288 » by **red222** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:00 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:Deng, Kirk for Eric Gordon, Robin Lopez.

Robin Lopez, Taj, CHA pick, 2015 1st-rounder for LMA? Close at all?

Portland wants a defensive C better than Lopez so I doubt it.

Clint Eastwood · Post #1289 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:01 am

Ralphb07 wrote:I for one have not heard Jimmy's name, but it will take Noah to land him. I've heard Jo and the Bobcats pick is what they were asking for.

I think the Bulls would deal Noah, but only if they can line up a C. I think that's what they are seeing now, if they can get a C to replace JO

Robin Lopez is available, and we have the means to get him. And he's 25. And we could always use taj at center versus most teams. Or Aldridge in spurts. The problem is if we acquire Lopez for the exception or for Hamilton and cash, we take on extra salary. But for me, I think I'd consider Noah and Hamilton out, Aldridge and Lopez in. In fact, I may give up a first round pick to make that whole thing go down properly. I just think Noah will always have lingering health issues, and he takes so long to get back on his game after he misses time.

Jimmy Forums · Post #1290 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:02 am

red222 wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:Deng, Kirk for Eric Gordon, Robin Lopez.

Robin Lopez, Taj, CHA pick, 2015 1st-rounder for LMA? Close at all?

Portland wants a defensive C so I doubt it.

Perhaps not necessarily if they're getting a defensive PF. Gibson-Lopez would be a pretty solid remodeled two-way frontcourt.

tre11408 · Post #1291 » by **tre11408** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:02 am

Jimmy Forums wrote:Interesting how this story is now framed on WireTap.

Bulls "Rejecting" Aldridge's Agency's Desire for Trade.

LOL, you have to give RealGM an A+ for writing headlines that are going to catch the attention of their audience.

Mr Funk · Post #1292 » by **Mr Funk** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:02 am

Red Larrivee wrote:Lol, K.C. is straight misleading people.

He was using the Butler/Noah deal as a theoretical deal that he thinks Portland would ask for. Then he asked his Bulls source whether that's something the Bulls would do, and of course they said no.

It doesn't mean that's what Portland is asking for.

5 Days Ago:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... al-manager
At issue is the Trail Blazers want a center — at least — in return, and the Bulls won't part with Joakim Noah. In this hypothetical, because no terms have been discussed, the Trail Blazers also likely would ask for Jimmy Butler and/or the Bulls' first-round pick from Charlotte, which could be fully unprotected in 2016.

Today
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... 8253.story
Sources said the Bulls have been unwilling to discuss a deal of Joakim Noah and Jimmy Butler for Aldridge.

He's acting as if Portland asked for that and the Bulls in turn, were "unwilling" to discuss it.

KC's trolling of Bulls fans is slightly more nuanced than Friedell's, but he's probably just as much of a goof.

Ralphb07 · Post #1293 » by **Ralphb07** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:03 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Also we're number 1 on his list, but Dallas, Houston and LAL are on his list too.

Oh god...if Houston gets Dwight and then they flip Asik and whatever for LMA...Dwight/LMA/Parsons/Harden...

Please don't happen.

Dallas doesn't have any assets to trade for him. All they have is cap space.

Lakers don't have the assets either. Portland's gonna trade LMA for over-the-hill Gasol or near-retirement Nash or recovering-from-achilles-surgery Kobe?

I see Houston as the biggest threat.

This is why you give up Noah if you really want LMA. Aldridge is going to be dealt and Asik and pieces is something I can see Portland doing. Portland really wants Jo and I don't see any team beating an Noah offer.

tre11408 · Post #1294 » by **tre11408** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:04 am

patagonia wrote:noah and butler is way too much for aldridge.

i wouldn't want to get rid of either of them.

Noah is too much for Aldridge.

No way in hell I'm trading the anchor of our defense and our emotional leader for a PF who basically scores with average efficiency and who is a very weak rebounder.

Post #1295 » by **pduh01** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:04 am

If Houston gets Dwight maybe the Bulls needs to get a bit creative talk to Houston to work on a three way trade with something like Asik to the Blazers, LMA to the Bulls, and Deng to Houston maybe something like that assuming if Houston gets Dwight Howard of course. But again this is Moray we are talking about lol.

Edit: I forgot Houston will probably want LMA for themselves so nevermind about that idea! LOL

Chitownbulls · Post #1296 » by **Chitownbulls** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:04 am

pduh01 wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Ill do Noah for Aldridge, then going into next year you can find a center to put next to him.

The biggest part of the trade is that you get that 2nd option that derrick needs

Who is going to be that center?

Free agent centers next year
Andrew Bogut
Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Zach Randolph (LMA play C)
Spencer Hawes
Emeka Okafor

Guys that could be traded for...Nene, Varejoa

2015 free agents
Tyson Chandler
Asik
Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Perkins

Someone would deff come here with Rose an LMA as our 2 best players

Post #1297 » by **Payt10** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:05 am

Red nailed it perfectly. The Trailblazers haven't necessarily asked for Noah and Butler. KC mislead the hell out of everybody by injecting his own speculation into the equation, and worded it poorly.

I'd love to do a deal without Noah involved for Aldridge, but that's just not realistic. Portland isn't about to accept a deal centered around Luol Deng and picks unless Deng is being shipped somewhere else for a player Portland covets.

Post #1298 » by **HomoSapien** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:05 am

And sources said the Bulls continue to rebuff attempts by the shared agency of Rose and LaMarcus Aldridge to bring the Trail Blazers' All-Star forward to Chicago. Sources said the Bulls have been unwilling to discuss a deal of Joakim Noah and Jimmy Butler for Aldridge.

From KC.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... 8253.story

red222 · Post #1299 » by **red222** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:05 am

Ralphb07 wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Also we're number 1 on his list, but Dallas, Houston and LAL are on his list too.

Oh god...if Houston gets Dwight and then they flip Asik and whatever for LMA...Dwight/LMA/Parsons/Harden...

Please don't happen.

Dallas doesn't have any assets to trade for him. All they have is cap space.

Lakers don't have the assets either. Portland's gonna trade LMA for over-the-hill Gasol or near-retirement Nash or recovering-from-achilles-surgery Kobe?

I see Houston as the biggest threat.

This is why you give up Noah if you really want LMA. Aldridge is going to be dealt and Asik and pieces is something I can see Portland doing. Portland really wants Jo and I don't see any team beating an Noah offer.

Would the Bulls consider a Deng and Hamilton for Lopez and Gordon?

The Force. · Post #1300 » by **The Force.** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 4:05 am

Honestly, people need to stop overrating Noah. Now is our chance to get the much coveted "2nd option" 20-10 big man and we're scoffing at deals which include Joakim??

This isn't fantasy land, it's real life. You have to give up big assets to get them back. Noah is easier to replace than Aldridge and that's the bottom line.