Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

[patryk7754]

I don't think it's a bad trade. Clearly, we didn't get the best player in the draft but we potentially got three all-stars (or close to it). I think lavine is a better scorer, or at least has better offensive skill. Dunn didn't have the best rookie season, but no many do under thibs and he has a high ceiling. Markkenan might turn out to be an all star or Channing Frye, the floor isn't that bad.

I think if the bulls actually tried, the rest could be better. Try and replace Jimmy with Hayward. Go get Beverly. Add Amir Johnson

Bev/Dunn
Wade/Lavine
Hayward/Zipster
Johnson/Marrkkenan
Lopez/Portis

Unfortunately, based on what paxson said, the bulls will no longer try.

[patryk7754]

Thanks to jimmys trainers, we no longer have to worry about who will or won't sign with the bulls because no one will.

[Mike_pedro]

I don't think it's a bad trade. Clearly, we didn't get the best player in the draft but we potentially got three all-stars (or close to it). I think lavine is a better scorer, or at least has better offensive skill. Dunn didn't have the best rookie season, but no many do under thibs and he has a high ceiling. Markkenan might turn out to be an all star or Channing Frye, the floor isn't that bad.

I think if the bulls actually tried, the rest could be better. Try and replace Jimmy with Hayward. Go get Beverly. Add Amir Johnson

Bev/Dunn
Wade/Lavine
Hayward/Zipster
Johnson/Marrkkenan
Lopez/Portis

Unfortunately, based on what paxson said, the bulls will no longer try.

3 potential all stars? Only if you're counting Dunk contest or skills challenge..

Lavine coming off a huge knee surgery, will probably loose some of his athleticism. Plus he is a sub-par defender.. worse, he doesn't even try..
Dunn to be an all star.. Can't see that coming. It's not he's like 19 or 20.. He were well adapted to college basketball and had a tough transition to the NBA.
Markkanen i can't comment, but let's see what happens.

The thing here is.. Is this the best we can get for a perennial all star? A top10 player like he is right now? Cmon..

[aguifs]

I don't think it's a bad trade. Clearly, we didn't get the best player in the draft but we potentially got three all-stars (or close to it). I think lavine is a better scorer, or at least has better offensive skill. Dunn didn't have the best rookie season, but no many do under thibs and he has a high ceiling. Markkenan might turn out to be an all star or Channing Frye, the floor isn't that bad.

I think if the bulls actually tried, the rest could be better. Try and replace Jimmy with Hayward. Go get Beverly. Add Amir Johnson

Bev/Dunn
Wade/Lavine
Hayward/Zipster
Johnson/Marrkkenan
Lopez/Portis

Unfortunately, based on what paxson said, the bulls will no longer try.

Just delusional... First of all, we're talking about one banged knee, a bust and an euro guy ( for one Nowitzki, we have 1k Bargnanis and Mirotics)

We wont have any chances in free agency with this FO. Unless, we're overpaying for hot garbage.

We're just set for, at least, 5 years of basketball hell. The only silver lining is that Garfrigginpax are good as gone after the disgraceful moves they made.

[Mike_pedro]

Teams were knocking on Phil's door about Porzingis. Literally.

Ainge had a huge package put together.

Yet no one besides Thibs really came calling about Butler.

Should tell you something about his value around the league.

I can't stand GarPax for a lot of different reasons but I think they got this one right.

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How come they got this one right?
Is Jimmy that bad?

Don't even compare it to Porzingis.. Porzingis is a Unicorn like Anthony Davis. They come once in a while.. Butler's type of athlete are frequent, so GM's will not offer as much. That doesn't mean you couldn't get a better deal. If not.. just stick with Butler. Why trade at all? Are Lavine or Dunn cornerstones for years to come? No, they are not..

Are they better than rose and Butler? Have potential to be better? No they don't.. so even in 4/5/6 years.. we are not gonna be better because of this players.

I can't believe we didn't even got Wiggins.. I mean, we are running for worst FO of the decade award.

[bennjuiced34]

Teams were knocking on Phil's door about Porzingis. Literally.

Ainge had a huge package put together.

Yet no one besides Thibs really came calling about Butler.

Should tell you something about his value around the league.

I can't stand GarPax for a lot of different reasons but I think they got this one right.

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How come they got this one right?
Is Jimmy that bad?

Don't even compare it to Porzingis.. Porzingis is a Unicorn like Anthony Davis. They come once in a while.. Butler's type of athlete are frequent, so GM's will not offer as much. That doesn't mean you couldn't get a better deal. If not.. just stick with Butler. Why trade at all? Are Lavine or Dunn cornerstones for years to come? No, they are not..

Are they better than rose and Butler? Have potential to be better? No they don't.. so even in 4/5/6 years.. we are not gonna be better because of this players.

I can't believe we didn't even got Wiggins.. I mean, we are running for worst FO of the decade award.

Porzingis also has foot issues.

I don't understand the confusion here. Wiggins doesn't help the tank. He's too good.

This team needs to suck. The only thing they need to focus on trying to get now is future picks. Not quality players.

Seriously, why is this trade such a hard concept to grasp for people? The return really does really matter here.

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[kingkirk]

You don't think the team I proposed could make some noise in the Eastern Conference? I'm surprised. That's isn't a team void of talent if we someone manage to get Porter or Beverly. Sure, it's lacking a true star player, but we don't know what Dunn, LaVine or even Lauri's true potential is as players, they are all so young.

I don't mean this as a shot at you at all, but the team you posed would be horrible defensively and has very little offensive creation in pick and roll, which will be a huge problem for catch and shoot role players.

The Bulls aren't winning more than 25-27 games next season.

[kingkirk]

Cap space is going to be vital this offseason and especially so next offseason.

We keep adding rookies like we are doing and players like Zipser, Canaan and Felicio for cheap....then we actually give ourselves the BEST chance to add a Top tier FA.

Our salary distribution looks outstanding right now and is primed for a big FA acquisition. Dunn makes 5 Million for 2 more seasons and he's only going to get better. Thats exactly the correct formula in building a strong team in the salary cap world.

No top tier free agent is coming to play with Lauri **** Markkanen and Kris Dunn.

Cap space is worthless to the Bulls right now. Their reputation in the league isn't good. So many people are **** all over this franchise for how they handled the draft (among other things).

[Mike_pedro]

Teams were knocking on Phil's door about Porzingis. Literally.

Ainge had a huge package put together.

Yet no one besides Thibs really came calling about Butler.

Should tell you something about his value around the league.

I can't stand GarPax for a lot of different reasons but I think they got this one right.

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How come they got this one right?
Is Jimmy that bad?

Don't even compare it to Porzingis.. Porzingis is a Unicorn like Anthony Davis. They come once in a while.. Butler's type of athlete are frequent, so GM's will not offer as much. That doesn't mean you couldn't get a better deal. If not.. just stick with Butler. Why trade at all? Are Lavine or Dunn cornerstones for years to come? No, they are not..

Are they better than rose and Butler? Have potential to be better? No they don't.. so even in 4/5/6 years.. we are not gonna be better because of this players.

I can't believe we didn't even got Wiggins.. I mean, we are running for worst FO of the decade award.

Porzingis also has foot issues.

I don't understand the confusion here. Wiggins doesn't help the tank. He's too good.

This team needs to suck. The only thing they need to focus on trying to get now is future picks. Not quality players.

Seriously, why is this trade such a hard concept to grasp for people? The return really does really matter here.

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I can agree with on the tanking mode.. With that said.. Why ship the 16th pick? We didn't get more picks in this draft.. We didn't get more picks next year drafts.. We didn't get more picks at all.

We will suck, we will loose, we will be on tanking mode.. and we didn't receive any pick in years to come. I'm not saying we need to be like Boston.. But come on.. You're saying the Lakers wouldn't trade Russell and mozgov for Butler and picks? I would say they would..

[bennjuiced34]

How come they got this one right?
Is Jimmy that bad?

Don't even compare it to Porzingis.. Porzingis is a Unicorn like Anthony Davis. They come once in a while.. Butler's type of athlete are frequent, so GM's will not offer as much. That doesn't mean you couldn't get a better deal. If not.. just stick with Butler. Why trade at all? Are Lavine or Dunn cornerstones for years to come? No, they are not..

Are they better than rose and Butler? Have potential to be better? No they don't.. so even in 4/5/6 years.. we are not gonna be better because of this players.

I can't believe we didn't even got Wiggins.. I mean, we are running for worst FO of the decade award.

Porzingis also has foot issues.

I don't understand the confusion here. Wiggins doesn't help the tank. He's too good.

This team needs to suck. The only thing they need to focus on trying to get now is future picks. Not quality players.

Seriously, why is this trade such a hard concept to grasp for people? The return really does really matter here.

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I can agree with on the tanking mode.. With that said.. Why ship the 16th pick? We didn't get more picks in this draft.. We didn't get more picks next year drafts.. We didn't get more picks at all.

We will suck, we will loose, we will be on tanking mode.. and we didn't receive any pick in years to come. I'm not saying we need to be like Boston.. But come on.. You're saying the Lakers wouldn't trade Russell and mozgov for Butler and picks? I would say they would..

I bet you GarPax wanted LaVine and Thibs said throw in #16.

That, I'll admit, irritated me a bit. Can't just give up picks in this rebuild.

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[chitowndish]

Yeah this move doesn't really look all that great, I'm not really that impressed with what we got and in this case I probably would have preferred to keep Butler but I really don't know what was going on behind the scenes. It sure seems like there was a lot going on so it does seem to me like a move had to be made, otherwise I think Reinsdorf would have been more than happy to roll into the first round and likely get crushed every year for the forseeable future.

I guess where I was with the whole thing I had pretty much given up on Butler's leadership skills developing and him leading this team somewhere great but I'd still rather watch him lead some scrubs than watch completely unwatchable basketball. Not too sure what we'll get out of this because I do really think Butler would break the offense but I also agree that we didn't have all that much to break to begin with so this could be some pretty tough times ahead.

I will say long term it is good that they at least picked a lane, you could build around Butler and commit to him 100%, you could move on from Butler but trying to walk that tight rope of keeping him around but never quite committing to him as leader and always kind of dancing around the issue publicly wasn't going to lead anywhere good long term. So while I may not be all that impressed with what they got for him it is at least a positive in my mind that they had the guts to pick a lane.

[SHO'NUFF]

I don't think it's a bad trade. Clearly, we didn't get the best player in the draft but we potentially got three all-stars (or close to it). I think lavine is a better scorer, or at least has better offensive skill. Dunn didn't have the best rookie season, but no many do under thibs and he has a high ceiling. Markkenan might turn out to be an all star or Channing Frye, the floor isn't that bad.

I think if the bulls actually tried, the rest could be better. Try and replace Jimmy with Hayward. Go get Beverly. Add Amir Johnson

Bev/Dunn
Wade/Lavine
Hayward/Zipster
Johnson/Marrkkenan
Lopez/Portis

Unfortunately, based on what paxson said, the bulls will no longer try.

3 potential all stars? Only if you're counting Dunk contest or skills challenge..

Lavine coming off a huge knee surgery, will probably loose some of his athleticism. Plus he is a sub-par defender.. worse, he doesn't even try..
Dunn to be an all star.. Can't see that coming. It's not he's like 19 or 20.. He were well adapted to college basketball and had a tough transition to the NBA.
Markkanen i can't comment, but let's see what happens.

The thing here is.. Is this the best we can get for a perennial all star? A top10 player like he is right now? Cmon..

I wouldn't say top 10. But it seems like Jimmy isn't seen as "great" as some of us saw him. A top 15 player wont get you a top 5 player type of deal. Boston couldn't care less about Jimmy and they don't see him as a top NBA talent. If it wasn't for Thibs we probably would have gotten ZERO reasonable offers for Jimmy.

[Indomitable]

GARPAX you freakin idiots!!!! I hate this trade....
CELTICS would offer better one for sure...

I know we helped the Pacers. This puts pressure on Ainge to do something with just George being left.

[chrispatrick]

I don't think it's a bad trade. Clearly, we didn't get the best player in the draft but we potentially got three all-stars (or close to it). I think lavine is a better scorer, or at least has better offensive skill. Dunn didn't have the best rookie season, but no many do under thibs and he has a high ceiling. Markkenan might turn out to be an all star or Channing Frye, the floor isn't that bad.

I think if the bulls actually tried, the rest could be better. Try and replace Jimmy with Hayward. Go get Beverly. Add Amir Johnson

Bev/Dunn
Wade/Lavine
Hayward/Zipster
Johnson/Marrkkenan
Lopez/Portis

Unfortunately, based on what paxson said, the bulls will no longer try.

I don't think the Bulls could be close to 500 if they tried. I've said in a couple other posts but Butler was a +10.6 on/off rating. You're replacing that with 2 players a bad team literally played better without. As of now, Dunn/LaVine are not helpful players if you're attempting to win games.

[R3AL1TY]

[chrispatrick]

Thanks to jimmys trainers, we no longer have to worry about who will or won't sign with the bulls because no one will.

If you make an underappreciated top 10-12 guy play with trash and then send the guy (who is willing to recruit other players for your city) to Minnesota, Chicago looks pretty bad to NBA players.

[derek360]

Tyus Jones is better than Kris Dunn.

That is right! Jones can shoot and actually carved out a role off the bench. I still can't believe Thibs pulled it off.

[R3AL1TY]

The only positives out of this so far are Lavine was looking good before the ACL injury and the Bulls will most likely be in the lottery in 2018. Everything else is either trash or unproven.

It looks like that Butler meeting with the FO was really about trading him to a situation he will be okay with.

[bledredwine]

My god. I expected bad from them but not this bad. Dunn is a piece of trash, Lavine ACL injury 1 year expiring m and trading our 16 pick in the process to draft a mediocre player 9 spots higher? Wow, really swinging for the fences with this one. Can't say I'm shocked though. Typical cheap ass read water in the shallow end Bulls FO I've been bitching about for years.

[dumbell78]

The Nuggets wouldn't give up Murray. KC reported that so what you're saying is irrelevant.

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Don't think that's true, we could have gotten him.

Not according to K.C. You any evidence to the contrary?

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Going off the Goodwin tweet and article, talking about multiple young players not named Jokic. KC isn't really plugged in IMO and I think he's just spinning for the FO, as he usually does.