2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[Jcool0]

We can offer Culver in a way Atlanta can’t (since we pick ahead of them), but I do not know what else we’d have to offer. They want complementary pieces and unless they really like Dunn or Denzel, there doesn’t seem to be a great secondary piece.

Not to mention RJ’s fit on this team is very suspect.

LaVine & Barrett are the starting guards and primary ball handlers. Not sure whats suspect about it.

They’re both very high usage players. I do not know when Lauri, Otto and WCJ are getting the ball, or how they’re getting the ball. The tweets alone explain it. RJ is not a complementary piece.

Zach for #3 I might consider. But I am high on Zach’s future and think there are legitimate questions about Barrett if he can’t become efficient.

I mean that is going to be an issue with almost anyone the Bulls are looking at.

Culver had the same 32.2% usage as RJ.

Even the PGs White and Garland the questions are how good of actual PGs they are. So you would still have the issue of distributing.

[Chi town]

LaVine & Barrett are the starting guards and primary ball handlers. Not sure whats suspect about it.

They’re both very high usage players. I do not know when Lauri, Otto and WCJ are getting the ball, or how they’re getting the ball. The tweets alone explain it. RJ is not a complementary piece.

Zach for #3 I might consider. But I am high on Zach’s future and think there are legitimate questions about Barrett if he can’t become efficient.

I mean that is going to be an issue with almost anyone the Bulls are looking at.

Culver had the same 32.2% usage as RJ.

Even the PGs White and Garland the questions are how good of actual PGs they are. So you would still have the issue of distributing.

I think the multi handler system with Lavine leading the charge is the direction they will go. All they need from the PG is floor spacing via shooting. Garland and White both fit the bill because they can shoot and have great range. Both of those guys would come off the bench too IMO.

I see Beverley it Collison as the PG. The PG pick as the backup and Dunn as wing defender depth and Val injury insurance.

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine leading the charge will be disastrous. We are in desperate need of passing/playmaking ability.

[cjbulls]

LaVine & Barrett are the starting guards and primary ball handlers. Not sure whats suspect about it.

They’re both very high usage players. I do not know when Lauri, Otto and WCJ are getting the ball, or how they’re getting the ball. The tweets alone explain it. RJ is not a complementary piece.

Zach for #3 I might consider. But I am high on Zach’s future and think there are legitimate questions about Barrett if he can’t become efficient.

I mean that is going to be an issue with almost anyone the Bulls are looking at.

Culver had the same 32.2% usage as RJ.

Even the PGs White and Garland the questions are how good of actual PGs they are. So you would still have the issue of distributing.

But Culver isn’t drafted as and doesn’t pretend to be a #1 scorer. He was put into that role by TT out of necessity. My understanding is that last year he played off ball as a catch and shoot guy. If you ask Culver, he says his defense and all-around play is his strength.

Barrett thinks he is going to be the best player (i.e. scorer) in the world. Him and Zach both have that Kobe mentality. I do not take much issue with it, but two SGs (Barrett can play 3 but seems a better fit at sg) or two wings with that mentality are not likely to play well together. They will take turns and the rest of the team will struggle. It becomes much worse if they are the backcourt.

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[SfBull]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

It can't be only luck.They must have competent scouting for finding these guys.Why the Bulls can't?

[Jcool0]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

It can't only luck.They must have competent scouting for finding these guys.Why the Bulls can't?

Cant what? The only thing this front office does well is draft.

[chefo]

Watching Siakam abuse GS small ball, I'm still on the Rui or Hunter train--or get creative and get them both. Big strong dudes that can play on ball or off ball. Hunter looks like prime Spurs Danny Green--long, strong, shoots the long ball very well, excellent defender. Rui looks like a young Giannis/Khawi--fluid, fast and strong, able to either drive or pop for a 15 ft with ease against pretty much anybody in college or international competition. Both have great motors--Hunter on D and Rui on O. As Thibs says, motor is a skill in its own right. Doesn't mean they'll pan out, but guys who are physical freaks like them and have a good motor usually make something out of themselves.

The flashy top of the draft except for Zion does not impress me all that much--RJ looks like he plays PG bully ball, but in the NBA you need to be 6'8 to pull that off, 6'6 probably ain't gonna' do it. Garland I have reservation on--mostly because I have not seen enough to make a determination. Five games against subpar competition before being game-planned for to me is statistical noise. He could end up being Dame, or any random bust. Culver was kind of meh, didn't watch him enough but just like RJ, does not strike me as particularly fast, quick of strong enough to dominate the NBA. White will probably be an OK to good pro because he has a nice stroke, but after watching him, he reminds me of a post-injury Rose the way he flings stuff up at the rim. Pre-injury Rose was making these contorted layups and so did White in college, but I'm not sure any of that will fly in the NBA because he's a below the rim finisher and unless you're Harden-level crafty, it's difficult to score against NBA size and quickness. Maybe he develops further, maybe not.

Ultimately, the biggest determinant will be how much these players will improve post being drafted and we as fans have zero ways of judging that. But, for what it's worth, I'd take Rui or Hunter over anybody not named Zion, probably even over Morant, and for no other reason than Morant will not be a 40%+ 3 point shooter in the NBA, probably more like 35%-37% on a good year. Guys who hit only 80% at the stripe are not likely to become another Curry. He's exciting, but so was Fultz before his head or shoulder or whatever got messed up. Doesn't matter because he is completely out of reach anyhow.

But, since both Hunter and Rui project to be available at 7+, I think it entirely possible that the Bulls luck into another very productive #7 because all of the fools' gold will be taken before they pick.

[SfBull]

For the bulls to compete against the raps they will need a guard that is better than Lowry.

Lowry is an all star so practically impossible, but he had 7 points and 6 personal fouls tonight.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto>Green

Zach<Kawhi
Guard<Lowry

The raps would have to play us like this because the bulls could easily have an advantage.

Wcj<Gasol
Lauri>Siakam
Otto<Kawhi

Zach>Lowry
Guard>Green

This way bulls take 3 out of 5.

Completely disagree about Siakam.His game is much more complete than Lauri's by now,I just can't imagine Lauri being so effective in hard playoff series like Siakam was,see,he played against Embiid,Giannis and yesterday he played well against arguably the world's best PF Green.At least now.Perhaps Lauri can have a breakout season growing into a star but now Siakam is much better than him.

[3noD]

They won't pass on Coby White for Hunter.

I sure hope they do. I don't understand at what point White suddenly became this consensus top 6/7 player in this draft. I like him, but I like Hunter more.

Trust me I'm not much of a fan of Coby White but Paxson noted after the lottery that “if you’re looking at comparable guys in a tier, sometimes need takes precedent over (best player available),” it's not the way to go Imo but I'd expect the pick to be White if he's there. I also see them taking Reddish if White isn't on the board.

I for one am hoping for Hunter at #7 and Bone at #38 and somehow luck up in the Summer for a PG.

What I like about White: good pg body. He can shoot. Is super quick. And seems like an absolute bulldog. That last point, you can’t teach. I’d definitely be ok with him.


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[Southpaw]

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I really think Barret is being underrated in this draft. I'd trade up for him if it was possible. Maybe helping the NYK clear some salary could close the deal? I dunno.

[johnnyvann840]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

It can't be only luck.They must have competent scouting for finding these guys.Why the Bulls can't?

Well, they found Jimmy Butler at 30. They just F'd the whole thing up and never put a good enough team around him that had time to blossom. Best effort was poorly conceived with Rondo and Wade and that team was a Rondo injury away from knocking off the #1 seed. Also, the last Thibs team was won a playoff series and was a Gasol injury away from having a real chance to beat the Cavs and likely get to the final four teams and likely the Finals if they did. They have hit on good players late in the first like Jimmy, Taj, Niko . 30, 22, 23. Just never got off the ground.

[johnnyvann840]

Watching Siakam abuse GS small ball, I'm still on the Rui or Hunter train--or get creative and get them both. Big strong dudes that can play on ball or off ball. Hunter looks like prime Spurs Danny Green--long, strong, shoots the long ball very well, excellent defender. Rui looks like a young Giannis/Khawi--fluid, fast and strong, able to either drive or pop for a 15 ft with ease against pretty much anybody in college or international competition. Both have great motors--Hunter on D and Rui on O. As Thibs says, motor is a skill in its own right. Doesn't mean they'll pan out, but guys who are physical freaks like them and have a good motor usually make something out of themselves.

The flashy top of the draft except for Zion does not impress me all that much--RJ looks like he plays PG bully ball, but in the NBA you need to be 6'8 to pull that off, 6'6 probably ain't gonna' do it. Garland I have reservation on--mostly because I have not seen enough to make a determination. Five games against subpar competition before being game-planned for to me is statistical noise. He could end up being Dame, or any random bust. Culver was kind of meh, didn't watch him enough but just like RJ, does not strike me as particularly fast, quick of strong enough to dominate the NBA. White will probably be an OK to good pro because he has a nice stroke, but after watching him, he reminds me of a post-injury Rose the way he flings stuff up at the rim. Pre-injury Rose was making these contorted layups and so did White in college, but I'm not sure any of that will fly in the NBA because he's a below the rim finisher and unless you're Harden-level crafty, it's difficult to score against NBA size and quickness. Maybe he develops further, maybe not.

Ultimately, the biggest determinant will be how much these players will improve post being drafted and we as fans have zero ways of judging that. But, for what it's worth, I'd take Rui or Hunter over anybody not named Zion, probably even over Morant, and for no other reason than Morant will not be a 40%+ 3 point shooter in the NBA, probably more like 35%-37% on a good year. Guys who hit only 80% at the stripe are not likely to become another Curry. He's exciting, but so was Fultz before his head or shoulder or whatever got messed up. Doesn't matter because he is completely out of reach anyhow.

But, since both Hunter and Rui project to be available at 7+, I think it entirely possible that the Bulls luck into another very productive #7 because all of the fools' gold will be taken before they pick.

Great points. I think you might be underrating RJ a bit though. I still see him as having great star potential in this league. He is so young and has proven it at every level.

[Southpaw]

I’m watching these exceptional playoffs and I can’t stop looking at the impact players and where they were drafted.

So many outside of the top 5.

Tonight Siakam takes over the game. Picked 27th.

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

It can't be only luck.They must have competent scouting for finding these guys.Why the Bulls can't?

A very underrated part of drafting these young kids is player development. Look at the top organizations in the league and how they seem to always hit on their pick. It's because they develop their players well. Contrast that with bad orgs who always get high draft picks but doesn't seem to improve.

[3noD]

The bulls get saved from themselves, they get stuck picking a sg.

Whos the best shooting guard at the slot?
Hunter, culver, reddish are the names to me and I doubt there is a consensus.

Cam seems like he wouldn't be in the convo but at 6'8 -6'9 teams would have to drastically game plan to avoid that constant mismatch.

Hunter is not a SG. More of a 3/4 than a 2/3. Really Reddish is more of a 3 than a 2 as well.

For the bulls to compete against the raps they will need a guard that is better than Lowry.

Lowry is an all star so practically impossible, but he had 7 points and 6 personal fouls tonight.
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Bulls window for competing is not going to be for a minute. Lowry is 33 years old and already beginning a decline. He's not the one we need to be worried about. I agree we need a PG better than Lowry though.

I can see Hunter in the Draymon Green role. If we draft him, our front court is WCJ-Lauri-Hunter, with the ability to go small or big, depending on matchups


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[SfBull]

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I would definitely try get into the conversation with the Knicks. Barrett would be a hell of a haul when compared the players we're mocked at. We could even grab Garland ahead of the Lakers if we wanted to.

Its probably gonna be impossible since the Knicks eying Culver and so are the Cavs(If they don't get Barrett).

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Knicks trying to sell their pick probably means Barrett will fall for perhaps #5 . Better no trading up for him, let's give a try on the players likely available at #7,guys like Culver, Hunter, White or even Reddish.

[Kurt Heimlich]

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Markelle Fultz was supposed to be Harden too.

So far the comparisons I've seen for this draft...

RJ is favorable to Harden
Hunter looks like Kawhi
Sekou could be Giannis

For such a weak draft, picks 3 thru 10 should be lit. That or people are just super lazy/click baity with their comparisons/articles.

[Jvaughn]

I'd definitely see what NY would be looking for I'm terms of moving back. We don't have two lottery picks to offer, but if they'd accept 7 plus next year's pick, would you guys be open to that?

[johnnyvann840]

The more I watch Hachimura the more I like him and want the Bulls to pick him. chefo is right in that he has strength, power and quickness in an NBA body, he also has a great shot and is a 3 level scorer with a good handle for a guy his size. He does kind of have this Giannis vibe going. If he can develop just a solid NBA 3 pt shot, he has so much potential. I think he underrated defensively for the most part as well. I see some lapses but I also see some tremendous plays on that end by him in college and FIBA.

[SfBull]

Yes sir. It wasn't just the finals either it was the entire final four teams (really the last 8 teams standing outside of Philly (Simmons and Embiid) and Houston (Harden, Paul). All of them are built on picks outside the top 5.... really mostly outside the top ten. It's becoming more and more common with the better teams in the league right now. The draft has become more of a crap shoot than it's ever been just over the last decade.

Here's the last four teams standing and their leading scorers/key players...

Toronto- Kawhi (15), Siakam (27), Lowry (24), Green (46), Gasol (48)
GSW- Steph (7), Klay (11), Green (35), Iggy (9) with Durant out.
Portland- Dame (6), McCollum (10), M. Leonard (11), Hood (23), Seth Curry (UD)
MIL- Giannis (15), Bledsoe (18), Brogdon (36), Middleton (39)

KD is the only top 5 pick. With him out, out of all 18 of these players 14 were picked 10th or lower... only Lillard was picked inside of 7th and he was 6th. We have SIX 2nd rounders or UD players.

Look at Denver - Jokic (46), Murray (7), Millsap (47), Morris (51), Harris (16), Crazy.

It can't only luck.They must have competent scouting for finding these guys.Why the Bulls can't?

Cant what? The only thing this front office does well is draft.

Can't find good players after top 10 or 2nd rounders,besides Jimmy ( who was a steal) , who else? Don't tell me Hutch was a steal,same for Snell and Portis,to name recent picks.