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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1281 » by HomoSapien » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:32 pm

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This is silly.

His remarks were never about whether he was right or wrong, it was whether he should of aired out the dirty laundry out the way he did.


While I agree that he could have handled his comments better, to say it was never about being right or wrong is just false. The Bulls basically decided that he was wrong.

I'll also add that franchise players are often allowed to make comments on the state of the team. LeBron does it frequently, Kobe did it, KD's done it, even Magic used to do it. Butler may not be at those guys' level, but he is a franchise player and has earned a right to voice his opinion.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1282 » by BeKuK » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm

HomoSapien wrote:While I agree that he could have handled his comments better, to say it was never about being right or wrong is just false. The Bulls basically decided that he was wrong.


Yah, Jimmy probably nailed it, but he should have react in a better way. Jimmy went too far.....even if he's franchise player! But honestly....especially during that time there were so many people who were wrong about probably every issue.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1283 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 am

Not sure if anyone posted this from the Kobe Memorial, but I thought it was a funny moment

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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1284 » by dice » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:34 am

most game winning FGs in nba history (no time on clock):

9 MJ
8 joe freaking johnson/kobe
7 pierce/lebron
5 garnett/arenas/wade/igulodala(!)/vince

vince assisted on 3 others, as did pippen (only 1 of which was an MJ hoop). pierce assisted on 5, dunleavy on 4 (derrick and taj 2 of the recipients)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/buzzer-beaters.html
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1285 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:40 am

Watched the Bucks vs Raptors game and I must say I never saw the Raptors being this good this season, give them credit for what they're doing. They didn't play well in the 2nd half (understatement) but I wouldn't be shocked if they won the East. I wouldn't have them as favourites but they certainly have a chance.

Was really impressed with that Boucher kid, I know he's raw but the ability to knock down 3's with that weird form, the block on Giannis and both the follow up dunks he had, even though one missed it just showed the kind of potential he has if he can put it together and work hard.

I have to say, there isn't a player in the league I like watching less than Kyle Lowry, the constant flopping with and without the ball, the constant whining to the refs. I actually feel really bad for NBA refs, as poor and inconsistent a job as some of them do, it really is so much easier without the pressure of the moment.

Many years ago in a division II league I played in, I was forced to ref a game as the ref was stuck in really bad traffic. I'd happened to show up really early to the game I was playing in and they didn't really give me much of a choice. I honestly hated it so much, having these kids (early 20's) yelling at me because they disagreed with calls that were so obvious, I wanted to punch a few of them and found myself not giving them calls later in the game out of spite :lol: I think if I was an NBA ref I might take a swing at Lowry.

There was one play that he literally stuck his head under George Hills legs and tried to stand up in an attempt to draw a foul, it was the one of the weirdest and worst attempts I've seen by a player trying to draw a foul and thankfully he was called for an offensive foul (one of a few on him)

Just like the Allstar game I felt Nurse blew any chance the Raptors had to win this game by refusing to bring back the guys that were responsible for the teams good play in the 1st half until it was too late, I'm not a fan of +/- especially on a single game basis but the bench were all in the plus and starters all the minus, but he refused to give Ibaka and Lowry's minutes to someone else despite their horrible play and combined 4-27 shooting


In the Pelicans/Lakers game, I'm really jealous of the young talent on the Pelicans.

Obviously Zion has to drop some weight but what he really needs to do is work on his handle on offense and work on his effort on defense. 90% of the time his effort on defense is very disappointing, nothing like what I saw from him at Duke. Way too much standing around and watching, not helping or closing out. You can see the effort level pick up on the other end, that's a bad habit hopefully they aren't too afraid to let him know.

I really like that Melli kid for them, knows his game and doesn't try to do too much outside of it. Can knock down the 3 and has some creativity going to the basket if the defense closes out.

Ingram is having a great season and he's showing why he was taken so high in the draft

I like Gentry and I like Holiday as a defender, but I think it was a poor decision to stick him on Lebron in the paint so many times without any help. You also have to run some plays to get Redick some looks if he's out there for 20 minutes, there's no excuses to get no shots other than a 3 he got fouled on

Not a fan of Ball, really hoping the Bulls don't end up with the even uglier one come draft night
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1286 » by Southpaw » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:14 pm

dice wrote:most game winning FGs in nba history (no time on clock):

9 MJ
8 joe freaking johnson/kobe
7 pierce/lebron
5 garnett/arenas/wade/igulodala(!)/vince

vince assisted on 3 others, as did pippen (only 1 of which was an MJ hoop). pierce assisted on 5, dunleavy on 4 (derrick and taj 2 of the recipients)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/buzzer-beaters.html

Surprised KG has 5, for someone who's (unfairly) known to be unclutch/shies away from the big shot.

The Raptors scouting/player development staff are one of the best in the league. They just pull out quality players from nowhere the last few years, it's amazing.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1287 » by dice » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:16 pm

Southpaw wrote:
dice wrote:most game winning FGs in nba history (no time on clock):

9 MJ
8 joe freaking johnson/kobe
7 pierce/lebron
5 garnett/arenas/wade/igulodala(!)/vince

vince assisted on 3 others, as did pippen (only 1 of which was an MJ hoop). pierce assisted on 5, dunleavy on 4 (derrick and taj 2 of the recipients)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/buzzer-beaters.html

Surprised KG has 5, for someone who's (unfairly) known to be unclutch/shies away from the big shot.

it's initially surprising, but there's a confluence of events such that it makes sense:

1) he was a superstar w/ a bad supporting cast for many years, which made his teams pretty average. what kinds of teams play in the most down-to-the-wire games? average ones
2) he was a pretty good mid-range shooter. good mid-range shooters have a marginally better shooting percentage than good 3 pt shooters. so he was more likely to actually MAKE the game winning shot than a lot of guys who would be tasked with taking that shot
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1288 » by RakimAbdulJabar » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:56 pm

Here's the play I was referring to in my post above if anyone cares to see the nonsense I'm talking about :oops:

The nerve to try and argue that... :x

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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1289 » by GameBredAPBT » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:12 am

I was clamoring for the Bulls to trade for Ingram when he was on the block a while back & everyone laughed/scoffed at it
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1290 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:50 am

GameBredAPBT wrote:I was clamoring for the Bulls to trade for Ingram when he was on the block a while back & everyone laughed/scoffed at it



Well that was a good call. I don’t know that he was scoffed at as much as that Ball was pushed as the target. I think LA was holding onto him for the AD trade and that was the reason why he mostly was available in rumors. That being said he has surpassed all my expectations from last season.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1291 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:53 am

dice wrote:most game winning FGs in nba history (no time on clock):

9 MJ
8 joe freaking johnson/kobe
7 pierce/lebron
5 garnett/arenas/wade/igulodala(!)/vince

vince assisted on 3 others, as did pippen (only 1 of which was an MJ hoop). pierce assisted on 5, dunleavy on 4 (derrick and taj 2 of the recipients)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/buzzer-beaters.html



Ok Joe Johnson I never would have guessed.

I know Vince had a stat where he had the most game winners of any player but that metric was based on the last shot made, not with no time on the clock. I saw him hit one at the palace when he was in Toronto.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1292 » by GameBredAPBT » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:59 am

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GameBredAPBT wrote:I was clamoring for the Bulls to trade for Ingram when he was on the block a while back & everyone laughed/scoffed at it



Well that was a good call. I don’t know that he was scoffed at as much as that Ball was pushed as the target. I think LA was holding onto him for the AD trade and that was the reason why he mostly was available in rumors. That being said he has surpassed all my expectations from last season.



As I recall, the typical response to my (strong) suggestion were: “Ingram is a worthless bust, he’ll be out of the league in a few years. No discernible skills, no room for improvement, etc, at least Ball has some upside to him”

LOL

The sad part is the Bulls could have easily done it without giving away too much. We could have traded Markkanen for him, easy, back when the rest of the league was super high on Lauri, but us Bulls fans knew he was always going to be a limited player
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1293 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:05 am

GameBredAPBT wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:I was clamoring for the Bulls to trade for Ingram when he was on the block a while back & everyone laughed/scoffed at it



Well that was a good call. I don’t know that he was scoffed at as much as that Ball was pushed as the target. I think LA was holding onto him for the AD trade and that was the reason why he mostly was available in rumors. That being said he has surpassed all my expectations from last season.



As I recall, the typical response to my (strong) suggestion were: “Ingram is a worthless bust, he’ll be out of the league in a few years. No discernible skills, no room for improvement, etc, at least Ball has some upside to him”

LOL

The sad part is the Bulls could have easily done it without giving away too much. We could have traded Markkanen for him, easy, back when the rest of the league was super high on Lauri, but us Bulls fans knew he was always going to be a limited player


That was peak value Lauri too and would have been a steal.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1294 » by dumbell78 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 am

RakimAbdulJabar wrote:Here's the play I was referring to in my post above if anyone cares to see the nonsense I'm talking about :oops:

The nerve to try and argue that... :x



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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1295 » by Dan Z » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:13 am

RakimAbdulJabar wrote:Here's the play I was referring to in my post above if anyone cares to see the nonsense I'm talking about :oops:

The nerve to try and argue that... :x



Awful. He should've got a technical for trying that move. There should be no place in the NBA for that kind of stuff.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1296 » by Southpaw » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:57 am

dice wrote:
Southpaw wrote:
dice wrote:most game winning FGs in nba history (no time on clock):

9 MJ
8 joe freaking johnson/kobe
7 pierce/lebron
5 garnett/arenas/wade/igulodala(!)/vince

vince assisted on 3 others, as did pippen (only 1 of which was an MJ hoop). pierce assisted on 5, dunleavy on 4 (derrick and taj 2 of the recipients)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/buzzer-beaters.html

Surprised KG has 5, for someone who's (unfairly) known to be unclutch/shies away from the big shot.

it's initially surprising, but there's a confluence of events such that it makes sense:

1) he was a superstar w/ a bad supporting cast for many years, which made his teams pretty average. what kinds of teams play in the most down-to-the-wire games? average ones
2) he was a pretty good mid-range shooter. good mid-range shooters have a marginally better shooting percentage than good 3 pt shooters. so he was more likely to actually MAKE the game winning shot than a lot of guys who would be tasked with taking that shot

All true, He didn't get a teammate who's big shot taker until Sam Cassell. KG's career would've been so much different if he landed on a competent franchise. Such a shame.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1297 » by MAQ » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:24 pm

RakimAbdulJabar wrote:Here's the play I was referring to in my post above if anyone cares to see the nonsense I'm talking about :oops:

The nerve to try and argue that... :x


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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1298 » by Ccwatercraft » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:46 pm

RakimAbdulJabar wrote:Here's the play I was referring to in my post above if anyone cares to see the nonsense I'm talking about :oops:

The nerve to try and argue that... :x



lmao, thats funny stuff!
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1299 » by BeKuK » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:58 pm

I just realized that Derrick Rose has currently his 3rd highest PER rating in his career and 2nd highest TS% with 55.1.

People can say what they want and argue about it, BUT I would LOVE to have him back in Chicago. He's still good and can play. He would be a nice mentor to Coby.

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2008-09 - 16.05
2009-10 - 18.69
2010-11 - 23.62
2011-12 - 23.10
2013-14 - 9.82
2014-15 - 15.94
2015-16 - 13.52
2016-17 - 17.05
2017-18 - 11.63
2017-18 - 11.28
2018-19 - 19.52
2019-20 - 20.77
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1300 » by GameBredAPBT » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:57 pm

Porzingis has been absolutely phenomenal lately, what a freak of nature. I don’t think we’ve ever seen someone that huge bounce back so quickly & so emphatically from such a nasty tear. And even disregarding his size, just in general. He looks better than he’s ever looked. Dallas bound, gagged, and completely robbed the Knicks blind

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