The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[TheFinishSniper]

Patrick needs to assert himself much better and become more aggressive in real games. Seems to settle rather than take advantage of situations.

Are you telling me we got another Lauri? Hope not.

[DuckIII]

#9 will alway be Ron Harper's number to me.

This, I didn't even remember Lu wearing it until people here pointed it out, it's always been Ron.

Harper preemptively borrowed it from Lu, though.

[sco]

The thing I find myself not liking about the pick is that it smacks a little of drafting a guy who we hope becomes the next Kawhi. I find the guys who are supposed to be the next, don't pan out. BTW, it was the reason I didn't want Deni, who IMO, folks were giving artificial lift to for being the next Luca. Wasn't Lauri going to be the next Dirk, WC the next Horford, Doug the next Korver?

[Bankshot]

The thing I find myself not liking about the pick is that it smacks a little of drafting a guy who we hope becomes the next Kawhi. I find the guys who are supposed to be the next, don't pan out. BTW, it was the reason I didn't want Deni, who IMO, folks were giving artificial lift to for being the next Luca. Wasn't Lauri going to be the next Dirk, WC the next Horford, Doug the next Korver?

So you want a guy who has no comparison then, a totally absolutely unique player...who would that have been lol come on man

[sco]

The thing I find myself not liking about the pick is that it smacks a little of drafting a guy who we hope becomes the next Kawhi. I find the guys who are supposed to be the next, don't pan out. BTW, it was the reason I didn't want Deni, who IMO, folks were giving artificial lift to for being the next Luca. Wasn't Lauri going to be the next Dirk, WC the next Horford, Doug the next Korver?

So you want a guy who has no comparison then, a totally absolutely unique player...who would that have been lol come on man

Think about the great players in the league and how they came in without that "this guy looks like a young XXX" label. Luca, LBJ, Giannis, AD, and those are just the super stars. My point is that falling in love with a guy because his profile looks like player XXX, often causes GM's to overlook things like holes in their games (like ability to shoot or defend) or a lack of a demonstrable resume and draft them over guys with fewer holes or more of a demonstrated body of work.

[Bankshot]

The thing I find myself not liking about the pick is that it smacks a little of drafting a guy who we hope becomes the next Kawhi. I find the guys who are supposed to be the next, don't pan out. BTW, it was the reason I didn't want Deni, who IMO, folks were giving artificial lift to for being the next Luca. Wasn't Lauri going to be the next Dirk, WC the next Horford, Doug the next Korver?

So you want a guy who has no comparison then, a totally absolutely unique player...who would that have been lol come on man

Think about the great players in the league and how they came in without that "this guy looks like a young XXX" label. Luca, LBJ, Giannis, AD, and those are just the super stars. My point is that falling in love with a guy because his profile looks like player XXX, often causes GM's to overlook things like holes in their games (like ability to shoot or defend) or a lack of a demonstrable resume and draft them over guys with fewer holes or more of a demonstrated body of work.

Ok then who is the guy we should have drafted then? You know, the guy with no comparisons?

[CjayC]

That Leonard comparison is more of a best case. Obviously anyone tossing that comparison around needs to temper their expectations a bit because he has a steep mountain to climb and such a small number of players become top percentile at their position and it’s not really fair to him to expect that. But fans are always going to stay on the optimistic side rather than making the more likely comparisons with players in the median at their position which is the much more likely scenario for him

If I only saw those FSU highlights I’d say they were sipping serious kool-aid with a Leonard comparison, but the workout videos were encouraging and the team actually got to see this guy up close so we will see in 3 or 4 years.

[Benedict Miller]

Patrick needs to assert himself much better and become more aggressive in real games. Seems to settle rather than take advantage of situations.

Are you telling me we got another Lauri? Hope not.

I'm not sure what it is. I don't know whether it was confidence or awareness. There's times I've thought he'd bully a player in the post, or go straight to the rack, but instead settled for a contested jumpshot.

[cjbulls]

So you want a guy who has no comparison then, a totally absolutely unique player...who would that have been lol come on man

Think about the great players in the league and how they came in without that "this guy looks like a young XXX" label. Luca, LBJ, Giannis, AD, and those are just the super stars. My point is that falling in love with a guy because his profile looks like player XXX, often causes GM's to overlook things like holes in their games (like ability to shoot or defend) or a lack of a demonstrable resume and draft them over guys with fewer holes or more of a demonstrated body of work.

Ok then who is the guy we should have drafted then? You know, the guy with no comparisons?

Least comparable players

Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Poku

Ball being the most obvious choice. People didn’t know how to balance out his seemingly extreme strengths and weaknesses.

[Bankshot]

Think about the great players in the league and how they came in without that "this guy looks like a young XXX" label. Luca, LBJ, Giannis, AD, and those are just the super stars. My point is that falling in love with a guy because his profile looks like player XXX, often causes GM's to overlook things like holes in their games (like ability to shoot or defend) or a lack of a demonstrable resume and draft them over guys with fewer holes or more of a demonstrated body of work.

Ok then who is the guy we should have drafted then? You know, the guy with no comparisons?

Least comparable players

Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Poku

Ball being the most obvious choice. People didn’t know how to balance out his seemingly extreme strengths and weaknesses.

Ball wasn't available, so since the other guys you mention are "more unique" or nobody cared enough to come up with a comparison we should have drafted one of them

[sco]

Think about the great players in the league and how they came in without that "this guy looks like a young XXX" label. Luca, LBJ, Giannis, AD, and those are just the super stars. My point is that falling in love with a guy because his profile looks like player XXX, often causes GM's to overlook things like holes in their games (like ability to shoot or defend) or a lack of a demonstrable resume and draft them over guys with fewer holes or more of a demonstrated body of work.

Ok then who is the guy we should have drafted then? You know, the guy with no comparisons?

Least comparable players

Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Poku

Ball being the most obvious choice. People didn’t know how to balance out his seemingly extreme strengths and weaknesses.

I was hoping for Vassell and Poku.

And look, I'll stay optimistic on Pwill, but feel the FO got a bit excited on hype than actual performance. Now the flipside is that maybe we wouldn't have gotten him if he balled out in the tourney...I dunno - weird year.

[cjbulls]

Ok then who is the guy we should have drafted then? You know, the guy with no comparisons?

Least comparable players

Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Poku

Ball being the most obvious choice. People didn’t know how to balance out his seemingly extreme strengths and weaknesses.

Ball wasn't available, so since the other guys you mention are "more unique" or nobody cared enough to come up with a comparison we should have drafted one of them

The question from you was who had no comparison and I gave that to you. Don’t get all mad that those types existed.

Drafting is about taking advantage of the inefficiencies. There is value in taking a guy that other teams have trouble “figuring out”. Brandon Clarke was the perfect example last year.

The opposite inefficiency exists for taking guys that are reminders of someone else, hoping to recreate that player. AK may not have taken that into account, but it’s a fair criticism if he did.

And Ball was available, they just didn’t want to pay the price to get him.

[Chi town]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

[cjbulls]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

It’s a good thing we got rid of Boylen and Thibs then.

I think there is a concern he doesn’t have the fire to be a great player, to want to dominate. On the other hand he is a good kid and hard worker. Interesting to see how those concepts play out.

[CjayC]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

He's gonna be a unit once his body starts filling out and he starts hitting the weights. Definitely see some bully ball possibilities in there.

[Chi town]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

It’s a good thing we got rid of Boylen and Thibs then.

I think there is a concern he doesn’t have the fire to be a great player, to want to dominate. On the other hand he is a good kid and hard worker. Interesting to see how those concepts play out.

That’s the most important IMO. He has talked about the mental game a lot. He’s a team player. Will do what’s asked. I hope Billy D asks him to destroy and not sit in the corner and stay out of the way. He did what he was told at FSU much like Lauri did last season w Boylen... No Midrange... 3s or dunks... and Lauri sucked... because he listened to Boylen and defenses adjusted. Lavine has said this numerous times.

[Chi town]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

He's gonna be a unit once his body starts filling out and he starts hitting the weights. Definitely see some bully ball possibilities in there.

Ideally, he should be able to shoot over 3s w that midrange slight fadeaway. He should be able to get around 4s w the dribble.

If he develops right he should be shooting and making lots of FTs too.

[Bankshot]

Least comparable players

Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Poku

Ball being the most obvious choice. People didn’t know how to balance out his seemingly extreme strengths and weaknesses.

Ball wasn't available, so since the other guys you mention are "more unique" or nobody cared enough to come up with a comparison we should have drafted one of them

The question from you was who had no comparison and I gave that to you. Don’t get all mad that those types existed.

Drafting is about taking advantage of the inefficiencies. There is value in taking a guy that other teams have trouble “figuring out”. Brandon Clarke was the perfect example last year.

The opposite inefficiency exists for taking guys that are reminders of someone else, hoping to recreate that player. AK may not have taken that into account, but it’s a fair criticism if he did.

And Ball was available, they just didn’t want to pay the price to get him.

Yes so you were in the Charlotte draft room and know for a fact Ball was available.... right....I highly doubt the Bulls drafted PW just because he compares favorably to player x....and if they did what's so wrong with that...all players have aspects of their game or traits that compare to someone...maybe some are closer to others but it's not a reason to not draft them for gods sake.

[CjayC]

Obviously way to early but based on his HS tape and recent workouts... starting to think PDub may have one of those freak athletic bodies and profiles aka Lebron and Kawhi. Too strong and big to stop. It didn’t show much at all at FSU. It def pops on the other tape though. I think that pop has a lot to do with confidence which we didn’t see much of at FSU.

He's gonna be a unit once his body starts filling out and he starts hitting the weights. Definitely see some bully ball possibilities in there.

Ideally, he should be able to shoot over 3s w that midrange slight fadeaway. He should be able to get around 4s w the dribble.

If he develops right he should be shooting and making lots of FTs too.

Right we'll see, particularly on the 4s. A lot of people say it's trending more towards the combo guys, guys closer to his athletic profile rather than the Markkanen's of the world(Although there's absolutely a place for these players). It'll be interesting to see how it all breaks down.

[cjbulls]

Ball wasn't available, so since the other guys you mention are "more unique" or nobody cared enough to come up with a comparison we should have drafted one of them

The question from you was who had no comparison and I gave that to you. Don’t get all mad that those types existed.

Drafting is about taking advantage of the inefficiencies. There is value in taking a guy that other teams have trouble “figuring out”. Brandon Clarke was the perfect example last year.

The opposite inefficiency exists for taking guys that are reminders of someone else, hoping to recreate that player. AK may not have taken that into account, but it’s a fair criticism if he did.

And Ball was available, they just didn’t want to pay the price to get him.

Yes so you were in the Charlotte draft room and know for a fact Ball was available.... right....I highly doubt the Bulls drafted PW just because he compares favorably to player x....and if they did what's so wrong with that...all players have aspects of their game or traits that compare to someone...maybe some are closer to others but it's not a reason to not draft them for gods sake.

I’m not talking about Charlotte, sure include them too though. But it was widely known that the #1 and #2 picks were available for trade.

The point wasn’t they shouldn’t be drafted, but it can result in a misevaluation.