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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1301 » by sco » Tue May 22, 2018 2:36 am

#7 and Grant to Knicks for #9 and Frank Ntilikina
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1302 » by stepic » Tue May 22, 2018 11:34 am

GrowingHorns wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:If Memphis really wants to trade the 4th and might be looking for prospects and flexibility.


Memphis Receives:
Holiday
Dunn
Valentine
Bobby
#22

For

Bulls Receives:
Parsons + Pick #4


I'm not giving away our two better defensive back-court players leaving us with Payne-Lavine as starters. Though, tank-wise it might give us a high valued pick coming to summer of 2019. And to add, if we'd get Luka, i''m open practically for anything but giving away Lauri.


You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1303 » by petebraun0 » Tue May 22, 2018 11:49 am

sco wrote:#7 and Grant to Knicks for #9 and Frank Ntilikina


This trade is not so bad. Ntitikina is younger than Grant, and has more potential. Knicks get a better shooter and more developed player and a better draft pick; but going from 7 to 9 will hurt. We will lost Carter and Mikal by then, and have to settle for Miles Bridges or Kevin Knox. Depends how much we like Ntikilina. Have to think about that one.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1304 » by petebraun0 » Tue May 22, 2018 11:53 am

I still think we should trade our 7 to clippers for their 12 and 13. With three first round picks. we can take risks and take the three best players available. I don't trust getting a good player at 22; so with 12 and 13, we would have at least two good young players coming onto the team. tough call. If Porter passes our physicals, he would be great at 7 though. We'll probably just take Mikal at 7, and then a Center at 22, like robinson.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1305 » by sco » Tue May 22, 2018 1:27 pm

petebraun0 wrote:I still think we should trade our 7 to clippers for their 12 and 13. With three first round picks. we can take risks and take the three best players available. I don't trust getting a good player at 22; so with 12 and 13, we would have at least two good young players coming onto the team. tough call. If Porter passes our physicals, he would be great at 7 though. We'll probably just take Mikal at 7, and then a Center at 22, like robinson.


I am fine with 12 and 13 for 7, but I doubt the Clips do that without sweeteners (i.e. Portis, Valentine, etc.).
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1306 » by sco » Tue May 22, 2018 1:29 pm

petebraun0 wrote:
sco wrote:#7 and Grant to Knicks for #9 and Frank Ntilikina


This trade is not so bad. Ntitikina is younger than Grant, and has more potential. Knicks get a better shooter and more developed player and a better draft pick; but going from 7 to 9 will hurt. We will lost Carter and Mikal by then, and have to settle for Miles Bridges or Kevin Knox. Depends how much we like Ntikilina. Have to think about that one.

I am pretty agnostic between Mikal, Carter, and Porter. If Knicks are taking Trae, we still have a good shot at one of the others.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1307 » by Kurt Heimlich » Tue May 22, 2018 2:36 pm

sco wrote:
petebraun0 wrote:
sco wrote:#7 and Grant to Knicks for #9 and Frank Ntilikina


This trade is not so bad. Ntitikina is younger than Grant, and has more potential. Knicks get a better shooter and more developed player and a better draft pick; but going from 7 to 9 will hurt. We will lost Carter and Mikal by then, and have to settle for Miles Bridges or Kevin Knox. Depends how much we like Ntikilina. Have to think about that one.

I am pretty agnostic between Mikal, Carter, and Porter. If Knicks are taking Trae, we still have a good shot at one of the others.


Reports say they want to draft Trae to play next to Frank. So that probably makes this a no go from their perspective.

I'd probably do:

Felicio
Asik
7th pick (trae)

for

Kanter
9th pick (Bridges/WCJ)
36th pick

We save some significant 2019 money and add an early 2nd, they get their guy.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1308 » by MisterRoy » Tue May 22, 2018 2:44 pm

stepic wrote:
GrowingHorns wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:If Memphis really wants to trade the 4th and might be looking for prospects and flexibility.


Memphis Receives:
Holiday
Dunn
Valentine
Bobby
#22

For

Bulls Receives:
Parsons + Pick #4


I'm not giving away our two better defensive back-court players leaving us with Payne-Lavine as starters. Though, tank-wise it might give us a high valued pick coming to summer of 2019. And to add, if we'd get Luka, i''m open practically for anything but giving away Lauri.


You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.

I bet Bobby and #7 get us #4.
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Post#1309 » by patryk7754 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:03 pm

Teague and KAT to the Spurs for Kawhi and Delonte Murry

Wiggins in a sign and trade for Cousins (assuming Cousins agrees). If not, I think the Grizzlies would trade Gasol for Wiggins

Rose/Murry/Jones
Butler/Crawford
Kawhi/FA
Taj/FA
Gasol or Cousins/Dieng
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1310 » by patryk7754 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:03 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
stepic wrote:
GrowingHorns wrote:
I'm not giving away our two better defensive back-court players leaving us with Payne-Lavine as starters. Though, tank-wise it might give us a high valued pick coming to summer of 2019. And to add, if we'd get Luka, i''m open practically for anything but giving away Lauri.


You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.

I bet Bobby and #7 get us #4.

I think you're severely overvaluing Portis
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1311 » by MisterRoy » Tue May 22, 2018 3:26 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
stepic wrote:
You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.

I bet Bobby and #7 get us #4.

I think you're severely overvaluing Portis

My bad, the thought was incomplete. We take Parsons off their hands...so it's Portis + 7 for Parsons + 4. There is a LOT of cap relief involved in that. Maybe throw in Asik or Felicio as well.
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Post#1312 » by bigworld2017 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Offer #7 and #22 to both Atlanta and Memphis. See if either one bites. If one does then Draft Bamba. Sign Joe Harris to play the "3" for a few years and Draft the Best "3" available in next year's draft. This Draft is shaping up to be a little deeper than we all anticipated. That #22 could be a great prospect. Atlanta and Memphis are awful. They both need all the help they can get.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1313 » by Dan Z » Tue May 22, 2018 4:21 pm

petebraun0 wrote:
sco wrote:#7 and Grant to Knicks for #9 and Frank Ntilikina


This trade is not so bad. Ntitikina is younger than Grant, and has more potential. Knicks get a better shooter and more developed player and a better draft pick; but going from 7 to 9 will hurt. We will lost Carter and Mikal by then, and have to settle for Miles Bridges or Kevin Knox. Depends how much we like Ntikilina. Have to think about that one.


It depends on how things shake out, but Mikal or Carter might be available at #9. I don't see why the Knicks would trade Ntilikina to move up two spots. They still believe in him.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1314 » by shakes0 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
stepic wrote:
GrowingHorns wrote:
I'm not giving away our two better defensive back-court players leaving us with Payne-Lavine as starters. Though, tank-wise it might give us a high valued pick coming to summer of 2019. And to add, if we'd get Luka, i''m open practically for anything but giving away Lauri.


You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.

I bet Bobby and #7 get us #4.



I would gladly take that bet. Portis is not getting you from 7 to 4. It's not even getting you from 7 to 6 unless the Magic knew for sure the Bulls weren't going to take who they were targeting.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1315 » by MisterRoy » Tue May 22, 2018 6:49 pm

shakes0 wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
stepic wrote:
You won’t have to as Memphis isn’t giving away the #4 pick for a bunch of average at best players, and not even getting our #7 in return.

I bet Bobby and #7 get us #4.



I would gladly take that bet. Portis is not getting you from 7 to 4. It's not even getting you from 7 to 6 unless the Magic knew for sure the Bulls weren't going to take who they were targeting.

Read my follow-up to that statement...
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Post#1316 » by KevinPandawong » Tue May 22, 2018 6:56 pm

What teams actually want Portis? If Mirotic was worth a mid-late first, Portis would net a high second? I have a hard time gauging his trade value. Unless we're dumping Felicio somehow, I really don't like signing him to an extension.
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Post#1317 » by MisterRoy » Tue May 22, 2018 7:07 pm

KevinPandawong wrote:What teams actually want Portis? If Mirotic was worth a mid-late first, Portis would net a high second? I have a hard time gauging his trade value. Unless we're dumping Felicio somehow, I really don't like signing him to an extension.

The guy averaged 13/7 last season off the bench. Let him start for another team and I bet he averages 18/9 or better...and he can hit the 3.


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Post#1318 » by KevinPandawong » Tue May 22, 2018 7:28 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
KevinPandawong wrote:What teams actually want Portis? If Mirotic was worth a mid-late first, Portis would net a high second? I have a hard time gauging his trade value. Unless we're dumping Felicio somehow, I really don't like signing him to an extension.

The guy averaged 13/7 last season off the bench. Let him start for another team and I bet he averages 18/9 or better...and he can hit the 3.


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I'm not disputing his production, I just don't know what value that translates to. Niko was playing all-star level basketball and we still had to take Omer's contract(and return their 2nd) to get that pick.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1319 » by MisterRoy » Tue May 22, 2018 8:04 pm

KevinPandawong wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
KevinPandawong wrote:What teams actually want Portis? If Mirotic was worth a mid-late first, Portis would net a high second? I have a hard time gauging his trade value. Unless we're dumping Felicio somehow, I really don't like signing him to an extension.

The guy averaged 13/7 last season off the bench. Let him start for another team and I bet he averages 18/9 or better...and he can hit the 3.


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I'm not disputing his production, I just don't know what value that translates to. Niko was playing all-star level basketball and we still had to take Omer's contract(and return their 2nd) to get that pick.

We were also taking NOs only first round pick, I believe. With Memphis, we would be swapping picks, only causing them to move back 3 slots. They should be able to still get a quality draft pick. I think Bobby is worth that.
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Re: Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here 

Post#1320 » by Davell » Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 pm

sco wrote:
petebraun0 wrote:I still think we should trade our 7 to clippers for their 12 and 13. With three first round picks. we can take risks and take the three best players available. I don't trust getting a good player at 22; so with 12 and 13, we would have at least two good young players coming onto the team. tough call. If Porter passes our physicals, he would be great at 7 though. We'll probably just take Mikal at 7, and then a Center at 22, like robinson.


I am fine with 12 and 13 for 7, but I doubt the Clips do that without sweeteners (i.e. Portis, Valentine, etc.).


There's rumors about them trying to move up. I doubt 12 and 13 get you to 7. Can't remember where, but an article today mentioned putting those 2 picks together, likely only could get you to 9. I tend to agree, as there's a drop off in talent at that area.

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