NBA Trade Thread

[gobullschi]

Coby White
Lauri Markkanen
Wendell Carter Jr.

FOR

Bradley Beal
Davis Bertans
2 2nd Round Picks

Bradley Beal / Kris Dunn
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Otto Porter Jr. / Davis Bertans
Thaddeus Young / Chandler Hutchison
Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

+2020 1st Round Pick
+ 2 2020 2nd Round Picks

Bulls give LaVine an All-Star to pair up with Bradley Beal. While neither LaVine or Beal are your typical “point guards”, both have enough passing ability to make it work.

[sco]

Coby White
Lauri Markkanen
Wendell Carter Jr.

FOR

Bradley Beal
Davis Bertans
2 2nd Round Picks

Bradley Beal / Kris Dunn
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Otto Porter Jr. / Davis Bertans
Thaddeus Young / Chandler Hutchison
Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

+2020 1st Round Pick
+ 2 2020 2nd Round Picks

Bulls give LaVine an All-Star to pair up with Bradley Beal. While neither LaVine or Beal are your typical “point guards”, both have enough passing ability to make it work.

Can't see Wiz doing this. None of our guys are attractive trade assets. IMO, Beal will cost you Zach and Lauri or it will cost you 2 1sts.

[BeKuK]

or it will cost you 2 1sts.

Would you do this trade if two 1sts would be part of the trade ?

[sco]

or it will cost you 2 1sts.

Would you do this trade if two 1sts would be part of the trade ?

I just think Zach and Beal would be bad together. If I did, I might trade 2 1sts + filler for Beal.

[gobullschi]

or it will cost you 2 1sts.

Would you do this trade if two 1sts would be part of the trade ?

I just think Zach and Beal would be bad together. If I did, I might trade 2 1sts + filler for Beal.

I’ll take the talent and then worry about figuring out a way to make them work well together later.

[weneeda2guard]

or it will cost you 2 1sts.

Would you do this trade if two 1sts would be part of the trade ?

I just think Zach and Beal would be bad together. If I did, I might trade 2 1sts + filler for Beal.

Teams all over the league will be putting up great packages to land beal if he is on the move. We are a team that us depleted of talent. We are not a team that even needs to be worrying about putting together a title contending team. That is way down the line. We are a team that needs assets cap space and talent to turn this around.

If you can land a beal you get beal. If they work then great if they dont you flip beal or hell you flip lavine for the best assets you can get then start building something from there. Its what Houston has done what golden state just did, they accumulated the assets then they start flipping until it makes sense. Miami is doing this as well.

[Ccwatercraft]

Would you do this trade if two 1sts would be part of the trade ?

I just think Zach and Beal would be bad together. If I did, I might trade 2 1sts + filler for Beal.

Teams all over the league will be putting up great packages to land beal if he is on the move. We are a team that us depleted of talent. We are not a team that even needs to be worrying about putting together a title contending team. That is way down the line. We are a team that needs assets cap space and talent to turn this around.

If you can land a beal you get beal. If they work then great if they dont you flip beal or hell you flip lavine for the best assets you can get then start building something from there. Its what Houston has done what golden state just did, they accumulated the assets then they start flipping until it makes sense. Miami is doing this as well.

I prefer to put out future picks, be aggressive and fill in the gaps. flip talent if necessary to consolidate but use picks to get good deals done.

[Dan Z]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

[Am2626]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

[Dan Z]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

I imagine that KAT won't be on the market at least for another year because they'll want to see what he can do with Russell.

Josh Jackson is an interesting idea. He's a free agent at the end of the year...correct? If he can turn his career around then someone will get a steal.

[GameBredAPBT]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Fultz has not looked good & neither has Jackson. Both are very troubled players that come with a lot of drama & baggage with zero payoff. Why on earth would the Bulls subject both their players & Fultz/Jackson to this madness

KAT is a star & shouldn’t be mentioned with the rest of that group. He also isn’t going anywhere

[Ccwatercraft]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Oubre has another yr on his deal, no idea how Phx feels about moving him along vs keeping him. I haven't seen enough of him in the past 2 years to judge how well he'd fit, phx isn't exactly on my must watch list the past couple of yrs.

A lot circles around what Porter Jr decides to do with his player option, if he opts out, then the question is do we offer him a new deal or let him walk, and if he walks who do we sign?

[Am2626]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Oubre has another yr on his deal, no idea how Phx feels about moving him along vs keeping him. I haven't seen enough of him in the past 2 years to judge how well he'd fit, phx isn't exactly on my must watch list the past couple of yrs.

A lot circles around what Porter Jr decides to do with his player option, if he opts out, then the question is do we offer him a new deal or let him walk, and if he walks who do we sign?

Teams that are doing well and are playoff contenders aren’t going to trade their good players. The Bulls have to look at trying to get stars on bad teams or young players that came in with high expectations but haven’t lived up to them. Actually other teams should be looking at LaVine and Lauri. LaVine is a star player on a bad team and Lauri is a high upside player that hasn’t played up to expectations this year. The Bulls are kind of limited in what they can do because guys like Lauri don’t have much trade value right now. It’s probably best to hold onto him right now unless he can be packaged for a Star.

[Dan Z]

I've seen a few people post about how they think the Bulls should trade the 2020 pick for a good young player. Bradley Beal has been mentioned, but personally I don't think he fits with Zach (same position). What other good young players might be available in a trade?

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Fultz has not looked good & neither has Jackson. Both are very troubled players that come with a lot of drama & baggage with zero payoff. Why on earth would the Bulls subject both their players & Fultz/Jackson to this madness

KAT is a star & shouldn’t be mentioned with the rest of that group. He also isn’t going anywhere

The idea behind Fultz and Jackson is that they'd be players you could get for fairly cheap that still have upside (how much...who knows?).

I agree with you that KAT isn't available. At least not at the moment.

[Am2626]

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Fultz has not looked good & neither has Jackson. Both are very troubled players that come with a lot of drama & baggage with zero payoff. Why on earth would the Bulls subject both their players & Fultz/Jackson to this madness

KAT is a star & shouldn’t be mentioned with the rest of that group. He also isn’t going anywhere

The idea behind Fultz and Jackson is that they'd be players you could get for fairly cheap that still have upside (how much...who knows?).

I agree with you that KAT isn't available. At least not at the moment.

Especially Josh Jackson. Can get him cheap. Just need a good coach to come in next year. Jackson can play behind Porter Jr for a year and if things work out you have your SF for the future. If not they you didn’t really lose anything.

[RastaBull]

1) What will it take to get Caris LeVert?
2) What would you be willing to part with for LeVert?
3) What do you think about my interest in LeVert with Zach and Coby? (see below)

Watching Coby's hot stretch, this kid COULD become a real bonafide scorer. Zach is already a bonafide scorer. (for remainder, if I use "could" or other hypothetical, I'm referring to Coby's reasonable potentials, whereas more direct/present tenses are obviously referring to what we already know is certifiable with Zach). Zach is a special shooter (still developing a more prestine shot selection). Coby has great mechanics on his shot imo, really high potential to be special as he's just turned 20. Zach is an insane athlete on the perimeter. For all the debate in the other thread, Coby is at very least a decent athlete that excels in a number of athletic spaces while maybe baseline in others ... point being with ball in their hands they will both command attention from a defense.

Although they attract attention, they have the athleticism, neither have the IT factor for vision and PG skills. They aren't the type of "heady" players where the game slows down in front of them and they are just picking other guys out or getting our offense flowing several steps ahead of the opponents defense.

Zach is athletic enough to be a capable defender. But you don't want him as your top 2 perimeter defensive options. Coby is good defender in my book. He stays in front of his guy, doesn't give up space, and most importnatly he ALWAYS looks focused. He could be a very good defender. But neither are your defensive stopper, and don't think could handle a bigger perimeter kind of scorer.

I want both Zach and Coby (presuming Coby continues developing this scorer's mentality and penchant) on the floor together at end of games. (Maybe Coby still holds that 6th man role, but still want them both out there in the 4th). So we need a third perimeter guy, obviously in that SF/bigger slot that can balance those missing traits: vision/PGskills/defense

I think the perfect guy is Jimmy Butler. A bonafide defensive stopper. Loves to lead the offense and pick guys out for creative plays. Strong shooter and driver so doesn't effect spacing in negative way. You could also look at a younger Iggy as the archetype. No way Miami is trading Jimmy and Iggy obviously way past prime.

Off top of my head I thought of Justise Winslow. Looked into it: Only 23 still, possibly available in offseason trade (at Memphis now, picked up in Iggy trade). Good contract, 13 mil next season with 13 mil team option 2021. He's played inconsistent in 4 years (or consistently subpar). Last year was a bright trend upwards, 37% 3P on 4 attempts, 51%TS (pretty horrendous TS% every other year). His Drating always 105-108 range, pretty good for peremiter efender. Has a strong body. His AST% was at 21% last year, for comparison Iggy's prime was 20-24%, Jimmy around 18-21% (and hten this year blasting off at 28%).
Coby/LaVine/Winslow?
Winslow feels too much a liability on offense. There's possibility it could click well with Coby+LaVine, but I'm not optimistic. We need someone with a better offensive all-around game, otherwise they'll just fall to wayside behind those guys. We need a guy that can impose some offensive leadership running the "point"

LeVert could be that guy imo. He's developed every single year in the NBA. He's 25 now. Makes 16, 17.5 and 18.8 mil next three seasons. That means next two season we'd have LaVine and LeVert combined making a single max contract. I think that's pretty solid value. (we know LaVine is playing above his contract, LeVert is at least market value, but if he takes any sort of jump then I think he'll shoot above his contract value).

(disclaimer: first half of this season is tough to evaluate with injuries ... so back half w/out Irving will be a really big opportunity).
His AST% has been 26%, 23%, 22% last three years. That Point-Forward level work. And where I haven't seen Winslow as much for eye test, I live in Brooklyn and follow Nets, LeVert makes great decisions and prides himself in that type of game, keeping eyes all over the court. He brings the facilitator role to a Coby-LaVine lineup. Additionally, his a solid shooter from all parts of court; not exceptional from any place. Other teams will defend his 3P; he's a good cutter when off the ball, has really nice length and 60%+ at the basket.

I'm not really sure about his one-on-one defense, in terms of strength and bodying someone (like Iggy and Butler do). It doesn't stick out from previous games that I can recall. What does stick out are his steals in the passing lane or getting on someone's dribble. He's exceptional at this element.

Coby-LaVine-LeVert is a sweet perimeter in my opinion that will bring some balance. LeVert can run an offense and let Zach excel off-ball for some stretches (he's good off-ball, just doesn't do it enough). LeVert can run an offense that catches Coby off screen where he's been great.

I might even be willing to trade Lauri for LeVert straight up (is that crazy??). Yeah, even typing it scares me because it could be crazy. Lauri could be very very good, and maybe just this one year with Boylen has tarnished a lot of hte progress he'd built in NBA those first two years. The only benefit is getting out of the whole "extend or let him become RFA" quagmire.

Nets are looking tobag a 3rd star, and LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen are their big assets, so they aren't letting LeVert go for nothing. Best chance I can see would be getting third team involved and trading out picks+Porter to someone rebuilding and trade out star?

(sorry for long post, just interested in kicking off a deep dive)

[GameBredAPBT]

Kelly Oubre Jr. would be a nice young player that the Bulls should look at. Other guys I’m thinking of include Nikola Vucevic, KAT, and Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson shouldn’t be hard to get. Even Markelle Fultz looks like he has turned his career around.

Fultz has not looked good & neither has Jackson. Both are very troubled players that come with a lot of drama & baggage with zero payoff. Why on earth would the Bulls subject both their players & Fultz/Jackson to this madness

KAT is a star & shouldn’t be mentioned with the rest of that group. He also isn’t going anywhere

The idea behind Fultz and Jackson is that they'd be players you could get for fairly cheap that still have upside (how much...who knows?).

I agree with you that KAT isn't available. At least not at the moment.

So....just make poor, extremely ill advised moves just to make them?

The 2019 Bulls aren’t the 2019 Warriors or Raptors. The Bulls are the last team in the league that should be gambling on troubled players

Fultz has almost no discernible NBA skills. He’s terrible. I’ve been keeping a close eye on him, as I’d like to see him do well, but he’s just plain bad. He’s playing badly for the Magic, who, while still not the greatest environment in the League, are still a heck of a lot more forward minded & healthy than Chicago. And he’s still playing horribly

Jackson had a couple decent games for the Grizzlies because he had freaking Ja Morant feeding him the ball. Other than that, he’s the same old bone head that is currently one of the worst top draft picks in recent history, especially considering how strong that draft has proven to be

So, the Bulls, who are one of the most negative & toxic environments in the NBA (probably the most toxic, actually), are going to give up their current pieces for, not only guys who are WORSE players with considerably lower upside than Coby, Markkanen, Wendell, but will bring nothing but troubles & personal problems along with them?

You take a gamble on nutcases like Fultz & Jackson if you’re Toronto, GS, San Antonio. Etc etc etc.

[GameBredAPBT]

1) What will it take to get Caris LeVert?
2) What would you be willing to part with for LeVert?
3) What do you think about my interest in LeVert with Zach and Coby? (see below)

Watching Coby's hot stretch, this kid COULD become a real bonafide scorer. Zach is already a bonafide scorer. (for remainder, if I use "could" or other hypothetical, I'm referring to Coby's reasonable potentials, whereas more direct/present tenses are obviously referring to what we already know is certifiable with Zach). Zach is a special shooter (still developing a more prestine shot selection). Coby has great mechanics on his shot imo, really high potential to be special as he's just turned 20. Zach is an insane athlete on the perimeter. For all the debate in the other thread, Coby is at very least a decent athlete that excels in a number of athletic spaces while maybe baseline in others ... point being with ball in their hands they will both command attention from a defense.

Although they attract attention, they have the athleticism, neither have the IT factor for vision and PG skills. They aren't the type of "heady" players where the game slows down in front of them and they are just picking other guys out or getting our offense flowing several steps ahead of the opponents defense.

Zach is athletic enough to be a capable defender. But you don't want him as your top 2 perimeter defensive options. Coby is good defender in my book. He stays in front of his guy, doesn't give up space, and most importnatly he ALWAYS looks focused. He could be a very good defender. But neither are your defensive stopper, and don't think could handle a bigger perimeter kind of scorer.

I want both Zach and Coby (presuming Coby continues developing this scorer's mentality and penchant) on the floor together at end of games. (Maybe Coby still holds that 6th man role, but still want them both out there in the 4th). So we need a third perimeter guy, obviously in that SF/bigger slot that can balance those missing traits: vision/PGskills/defense

I think the perfect guy is Jimmy Butler. A bonafide defensive stopper. Loves to lead the offense and pick guys out for creative plays. Strong shooter and driver so doesn't effect spacing in negative way. You could also look at a younger Iggy as the archetype. No way Miami is trading Jimmy and Iggy obviously way past prime.

Off top of my head I thought of Justise Winslow. Looked into it: Only 23 still, possibly available in offseason trade (at Memphis now, picked up in Iggy trade). Good contract, 13 mil next season with 13 mil team option 2021. He's played inconsistent in 4 years (or consistently subpar). Last year was a bright trend upwards, 37% 3P on 4 attempts, 51%TS (pretty horrendous TS% every other year). His Drating always 105-108 range, pretty good for peremiter efender. Has a strong body. His AST% was at 21% last year, for comparison Iggy's prime was 20-24%, Jimmy around 18-21% (and hten this year blasting off at 28%).
Coby/LaVine/Winslow?
Winslow feels too much a liability on offense. There's possibility it could click well with Coby+LaVine, but I'm not optimistic. We need someone with a better offensive all-around game, otherwise they'll just fall to wayside behind those guys. We need a guy that can impose some offensive leadership running the "point"

LeVert could be that guy imo. He's developed every single year in the NBA. He's 25 now. Makes 16, 17.5 and 18.8 mil next three seasons. That means next two season we'd have LaVine and LeVert combined making a single max contract. I think that's pretty solid value. (we know LaVine is playing above his contract, LeVert is at least market value, but if he takes any sort of jump then I think he'll shoot above his contract value).

(disclaimer: first half of this season is tough to evaluate with injuries ... so back half w/out Irving will be a really big opportunity).
His AST% has been 26%, 23%, 22% last three years. That Point-Forward level work. And where I haven't seen Winslow as much for eye test, I live in Brooklyn and follow Nets, LeVert makes great decisions and prides himself in that type of game, keeping eyes all over the court. He brings the facilitator role to a Coby-LaVine lineup. Additionally, his a solid shooter from all parts of court; not exceptional from any place. Other teams will defend his 3P; he's a good cutter when off the ball, has really nice length and 60%+ at the basket.

I'm not really sure about his one-on-one defense, in terms of strength and bodying someone (like Iggy and Butler do). It doesn't stick out from previous games that I can recall. What does stick out are his steals in the passing lane or getting on someone's dribble. He's exceptional at this element.

Coby-LaVine-LeVert is a sweet perimeter in my opinion that will bring some balance. LeVert can run an offense and let Zach excel off-ball for some stretches (he's good off-ball, just doesn't do it enough). LeVert can run an offense that catches Coby off screen where he's been great.

I might even be willing to trade Lauri for LeVert straight up (is that crazy??). Yeah, even typing it scares me because it could be crazy. Lauri could be very very good, and maybe just this one year with Boylen has tarnished a lot of hte progress he'd built in NBA those first two years. The only benefit is getting out of the whole "extend or let him become RFA" quagmire.

Nets are looking tobag a 3rd star, and LeVert/Dinwiddie/Allen are their big assets, so they aren't letting LeVert go for nothing. Best chance I can see would be getting third team involved and trading out picks+Porter to someone rebuilding and trade out star?

(sorry for long post, just interested in kicking off a deep dive)

Memphis seem like they’re all in on Winslow

I’m not sure they nets would take Markkanen for levert outright. Markkanen is too big a question mark. I also don’t think he’d fit on the Nets very well, their style of play isn’t suited to him. I’m struggling to envision a trade for Markkanen that makes sense for both parties. He belongs on a team like Houston, golden state, Indiana, Milwaukee etc.

Levert is good, and he & Lavine are actually really close friends, but what if the Bulls land a top pick & wind up with someone like Anthony Edwards? You’d still trade the rights to a player with Edwards’s upside for levert?

[GameBredAPBT]

Fultz has not looked good & neither has Jackson. Both are very troubled players that come with a lot of drama & baggage with zero payoff. Why on earth would the Bulls subject both their players & Fultz/Jackson to this madness

KAT is a star & shouldn’t be mentioned with the rest of that group. He also isn’t going anywhere

The idea behind Fultz and Jackson is that they'd be players you could get for fairly cheap that still have upside (how much...who knows?).

I agree with you that KAT isn't available. At least not at the moment.

Especially Josh Jackson. Can get him cheap. Just need a good coach to come in next year. Jackson can play behind Porter Jr for a year and if things work out you have your SF for the future. If not they you didn’t really lose anything.

LOL so you’re saying all you need is a good coach & Josh freaking Jackson is your SF of the future? Have you watched him play? Because I watch him play all the time. He is so bad. And it’s got absolutely nothing to do with coaching. He’s just really really bad. If he *ever* comes around, which likely won’t happen, it’ll be on a team like San Antonio or Houston

[Dan Z]

The idea behind Fultz and Jackson is that they'd be players you could get for fairly cheap that still have upside (how much...who knows?).

I agree with you that KAT isn't available. At least not at the moment.

Especially Josh Jackson. Can get him cheap. Just need a good coach to come in next year. Jackson can play behind Porter Jr for a year and if things work out you have your SF for the future. If not they you didn’t really lose anything.

LOL so you’re saying all you need is a good coach & Josh freaking Jackson is your SF of the future? Have you watched him play? Because I watch him play all the time. He is so bad. And it’s got absolutely nothing to do with coaching. He’s just really really bad. If he *ever* comes around, which likely won’t happen, it’ll be on a team like San Antonio or Houston

He only played in 11 games this year. Is he really that bad?

He played well in the G League, but that's doesn't necessarily mean it'll translate to the NBA.

https://www.si.com/nba/grizzlies/news/josh-jackson-gets-approval-from-memphis-grizzlies