NBA Trade Thread #12

[HomoSapien]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

I'd be pretty open to a trade that brings 16 and 25 for Coby. If you go off of NBAdraft.net's Mock Draft, you have a chance to walk out of this draft with Malauch (12), Kasparas Jakucionis (16), and Coward (25). That's a full rebuild as far as I'm concerned, and you're walking away with 3 potential starters.

That would be amazing. Every mock I've seen lately has all three gone at the spots you just mentioned.

https://www.nba.com/news/2025-consensus-mock-draft

I just went with them because several years back they ended up getting the most correct picks. If I go off the ESPN's Mock draft, I could walk away with: Essengue (12), Sorber/Traore (16), Coward/Fleming (26).

Less flashy, but also feels like a pretty successful retool.

[nomorezorro]

nbadraft.net's mock drafts are usually really, really bad until right before the draft, when they can just copy all the credible intel that's out there. not worth paying attention to them at this point in the process, from what i've seen

[HomoSapien]

https://t.co/XaSCgTxy35

Nets looking to package Cam Johnson and #19 to move up into the lotto

Would you do Ayo, filled (Carter), 12 for Cam and 19???

To my understanding, you wouldn’t need to match contracts with Brooklyn, since they’ll have cap space.

Why not combine rumors?

Bulls Trade: 12th Pick
Bulls Receive: 16th Pick (Orlando) and 19th Pick (BKN) (and maybe 26th from Orlando if we're getting greedy).

Orlando Trades: Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, and the 16th Pick
Orlando Receives: Cam Johnson

Nets Trade: Cam Johnson and 19th Pick
Nets Receive: 12th Pick, Isaac, and Harris

[Chi town]

nbadraft.net's mock drafts are usually really, really bad until right before the draft, when they can just copy all the credible intel that's out there. not worth paying attention to them at this point in the process, from what i've seen

This. Every year.

[sco]

So what about acting as a 3rd team between Knicks/Bucks?

Bulls
out: White, Smith, Terry, 2026 (protected 1st), Por 1st
in: Bridges, Hukport1, Dadiet

Knicks
out: KAT, Bridges, Dadiet, Hukporti
in: Giannis, White, Smith, Terry

Bucks
out: Giannis
in: KAT, Bulls 26 pick, Por 1st (Bulls)

I watch the Knicks as my 2nd team. I think Bridges is a much better fit than White because he's a legit defender on top of being a good scorer/shooter. Problem is that he's a UFA after one year, but I'd rather pay him that Coby. As compensation for his uncertainty, I'd want the Knicks 2 promising looking rookies in the deal. The Bucks get KAT and 2 1sts for Giannis. The Knicks get Giannis, White, plus filler.

[sco]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

I wonder if a deal for Vuc/Huerter/#45 for Isaac/2 1sts/Filler would be enticing?

[Infinity2152]

So what about acting as a 3rd team between Knicks/Bucks?

Bulls
out: White, Smith, Terry, 2026 (protected 1st), Por 1st
in: Bridges, Hukport1, Dadiet

Knicks
out: KAT, Bridges, Dadiet, Hukporti
in: Giannis, White, Smith, Terry

Bucks
out: Giannis
in: KAT, Bulls 26 pick, Por 1st (Bulls)

I watch the Knicks as my 2nd team. I think Bridges is a much better fit than White because he's a legit defender on top of being a good scorer/shooter. Problem is that he's a UFA after one year, but I'd rather pay him that Coby. As compensation for his uncertainty, I'd want the Knicks 2 promising looking rookies in the deal. The Bucks get KAT and 2 1sts for Giannis. The Knicks get Giannis, White, plus filler.

Seems like we're giving up too much, but don't know enough about those rookies. Bridges is definitely the better fit, but they gave up those 5 firsts to get him. What's crazy, Kat put up numbers only Jokic has done in ANY NBA season, but he's still not enough, lol. If the Bucks HAVE to trade Giannis, that's a pretty great return. Recent rumors say Giannis is not on the block, though.

That Magic deal looks interesting. Vuc and Huerter open up a lot of spacing for Banchero, Wagner and Suggs. Think they're a strong candidate for a Coby trade. Kind of surprised Huerter and Collins haven't been mentioned more in trades. They're huge expirings, just got here, and have probably significantly upped their trade value since we got them. They're both decent players, but they're going to be UFA, have to at least explore trades.

[Chi town]

AK wants us to make the playoffs, I doubt he'll trade usable players (Coby) for draft picks. We had an unprotected Kings pick swap, he sent it away.
I think it's more likely well trade the #12 for a vet then trade one of our best players for another pick.

Exactly

[HomoSapien]

AK wants us to make the playoffs, I doubt he'll trade usable players (Coby) for draft picks. We had an unprotected Kings pick swap, he sent it away.
I think it's more likely well trade the #12 for a vet then trade one of our best players for another pick.

Exactly

It was pretty surprising to most when he traded AC and let DeRozan go. I think he wants to make the playoffs but they also seem to be embracing s youth movement.

[MrSparkle]

AK wants us to make the playoffs, I doubt he'll trade usable players (Coby) for draft picks. We had an unprotected Kings pick swap, he sent it away.
I think it's more likely well trade the #12 for a vet then trade one of our best players for another pick.

Exactly

It was pretty surprising to most when he traded AC and let DeRozan go. I think he wants to make the playoffs but they also seem to be embracing s youth movement.

I dunno- they were naturally the first to go, as extensions were coming up. Running it back with more payroll/age would’ve been beyond insane. Although I must admit I was still surprised they actually pulled the trigger on AC. My assumption is they knew he wanted ~$20M salary on his new deal, which OKC immediately offered… and paying a 6th man that money on a team with a net-negative starting lineup must’ve blown up all the analytics devices at the Advocate Center.

I actually see them “evaluating him” into next summer - this FO trends on either making quick impulse moves (Wendell, Lauri, Gafford) or beating a dead horse. They’ll make their dollar decision in FA, potentially losing him in a S&T. IMO Coby has red flags for a big salary player. Perfect guy to buy low, but too unreliable to be paid like a top-3 option. Definitely heading for that trap.

Meanwhile, I predict Ayo will resign cheap… while Huerter, Collins move on.

[Hangtime84]

Not sure what the market is for Coby, but usually MIP candidates are looked as valuable assets.

Personally I would think he is worth a 3-6 pick not many top 6 picks even turn out as good as him.

[kodo]

AK wants us to make the playoffs, I doubt he'll trade usable players (Coby) for draft picks. We had an unprotected Kings pick swap, he sent it away.
I think it's more likely well trade the #12 for a vet then trade one of our best players for another pick.

Exactly

It was pretty surprising to most when he traded AC and let DeRozan go. I think he wants to make the playoffs but they also seem to be embracing s youth movement.

I think there was a strong financial component, pretty reliable Darnell Mayberry said Derozan was seeking "north of $40M" to resign with Chicago.
Similar with Caruso, I assume his agent communicated his desire for $20M to the Bulls. Both were traded at the last possible minute...if AK was really about optimizing his assets for a rebuild he would have traded both closer to their peak value. The Athletic reported Caruso's trade offers halved once the Bulls kept him until he was an expiring and UFA in 1 season.

I always felt if Derozan had started his negotiations at $27M, he'd still be in a Bulls uniform and Lavine would have been salary dumped. Caruso trade probably still happens. We're still going for the play-in with Giddey/Coby/Derozan/Matas/Vuc.

[jnrjr79]

Not sure what the market is for Coby, but usually MIP candidates are looked as valuable assets.

Personally I would think he is worth a 3-6 pick not many top 6 picks even turn out as good as him.

If he were under control he'd be worth a lot more. I'm not sure where his value is given he's a UFA in one year.

[MrSparkle]

Not sure what the market is for Coby, but usually MIP candidates are looked as valuable assets.

Personally I would think he is worth a 3-6 pick not many top 6 picks even turn out as good as him.

? I mean, that argument has a stretch of plausibility due to the nature of a high bust rate (~50%?), but Coby is far from all-star (a fringe Herro type at best), while you are gambling on rather solid probability of getting an all-star (maybe All-NBA) in the top-6. Too soon to speak for 2024, but I'm easily taking atleast 3 prospects on fresh rookie deals in every top-6 of the last 10 drafts over an extended veteran Coby.

Risacher, Sarr, Castle
Wemby, Miller, Amen (and probably Ausar)
Paolo, Chet, probably Ivey and Mathuri -- wouldn't cry about Jabari and Keegan
Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Suggs, Giddey -- maybe Jalen
Edwards, LaMelo... 12th pick, but that guy in the finals

List goes on. Coby doesn't exactly set a high bar. I think he's worth a 12-18 pick, or just a lateral swap (like an RJ Barrett, Kuminga or Suggs). He's 23rd in PER amongst PGs (let alone inc. SGs). I don't mean to underrate him either; he's a great spacer and versatile combo guard with potential left. But he just hasn't proven he could play his best for a full season. He's either hot or cold. That's far from all-star material, and his averages/adv. metrics support that. It would take a big surprising jump to be worth a 3-6 pick. Crazy * happens (Lauri), but he's well behind the development curve of a Jimmy, Maxey, Herro, or other "surprising" all-stars (and Lauri for that matter, who had a decisively better first 4Y).

[Infinity2152]

Personally would value Coby somewhere between 6 and 10, depending on the receiving team. Chances you get a player as good or better than Coby drop drastically around that point, and Coby is ready to play now, while still young. That could fit a lot of team's timelines better than a player they have to wait 3-4 years to get better than Coby, if at all. Of course, expiring and looking for contract pushes him closer to that 10 pick.

People crap on most of the trade offers in here, but what the receiving team is actually looking for plays a huge part. Like every trade offer, somebody can and will come in with a "better offer". Getting a slightly higher rated vet is not "better" if I'm looking for cap space. Getting more picks in the deal isn't better if I'm looking for a right now scoring punch.

[boozapalooza]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

[HomoSapien]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

And half the time! People really overrate Carter for some reason but it's hard to win when a key player has played over 60 games only twice in his career.

[sco]

Per WT, Celts would consider offers for KP. He's on a 1 yr deal. I wonder if Vuc/Phillips/Por 1st gets it done. It gives them a replacement C on a 1 yr deal, a young prospect, and saves them as much cap space as we seem able to, plus the 1st.

[WindyCityBorn]

Per WT, Celts would consider offers for KP. He's on a 1 yr deal. I wonder if Vuc/Phillips/Por 1st gets it done. It gives them a replacement C on a 1 yr deal, a young prospect, and saves them as much cap space as we seem able to, plus the 1st.

Why would we want Porzingis? He would have no future here just like Vuc. And giving up assets to get him? Hell no.

[Dez]

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Not an Isaac fan and wouldn’t do this for Coby….but would be all over it in return for Vuc, even with just one FRP. Magic need more scoring and vet leadership. Bring Vuc home to ORL

Vuc isn't worth half that, Orlando aren't stupid.

Sure, the big man who just put up 18/10 on 53/40/80 shooting splits isn’t worth a late 1st….come on now. Surely Orlando is just fine trotting out Wendell Carter every night to put up half of that stat line.

Vuc would bring a meaningful offense boost to their frontcourt and they need more vets around Paolo/Franz. The franchise knows him well and would have a good shot at resigning him on a reasonable deal after this year. Makes sense for both sides

But yeah in the eyes of fools like you, Vuc on an expiring deal is worth a ham sandwich.

He's not worth any sort of 1st which is why no team traded one for him at the deadline. A fool would be the person that thinks that Vucevic has any value whatsoever, he's a defensive liability that offsets anything he does offensively.