The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[Chi town]

Good read...

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/what-bulls-see-patrick-williams-what-nba-today

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

Yeah if he really had these skills the whole time and the coach was trying to get him to play into some other role, that would be an epic level of misuse.

FSU has a unique 10 player system. Many had them winning the tourney.

Coach?
Player?
System?

[Bankshot]

Good read...

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/what-bulls-see-patrick-williams-what-nba-today

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

Not really IMHO, established team, coach has a system...not Uber aggressive kid trying to just fit in. He got more aggressive and had better stats later in the year.

[CjayC]

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

Yeah if he really had these skills the whole time and the coach was trying to get him to play into some other role, that would be an epic level of misuse.

FSU has a unique 10 player system. Many had them winning the tourney.

Coach?
Player?
System?

I suppose I could buy all 3. If you’re playing for a hard coach who runs a deep system you probably don’t want to push the envelope too much as an kid who doesn’t know much.

Still though I’m like dang if you get a unit like him that’s built like an nba vet at 18, who can also the handle the ball I’m dialing up his number often, system be damned. I guess we shall see.

[fleet]

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

Yeah if he really had these skills the whole time and the coach was trying to get him to play into some other role, that would be an epic level of misuse.

FSU has a unique 10 player system. Many had them winning the tourney.

Coach?
Player?
System?

The leading scorer on the team had what, 12 ppg? I can’t remember. That is the system they run. All the players have low raw stats. Patrick played off the ball, and they share the shots.

[fleet]

Guaranteed, 100% of the people that have been hating this pick don’t know things like the following:

Twenty-six times, though -- or, put another way, on 8.8 percent of his possessions -- Williams acted as the ball-handler in pick-and-roll, a context familiar to him from his high school days playing point guard before a growth spurt shot him up to combo-forward size. Those possessions, relative to play-type, were his most efficient; Williams produced 0.962 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, a 90th percentile mark.

[fleet]

Good read...

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/what-bulls-see-patrick-williams-what-nba-today

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

That was a team that could easily have won it all. Which is the priority. The only question is how to get it done, which is debatable if necessary, but things looked in sync. The trajectory of the team was not lacking in positive slope. LH sends players to the NBA.

[TheJordanRule]

Guaranteed, 100% of the people that have been hating this pick don’t know things like the following:

Twenty-six times, though -- or, put another way, on 8.8 percent of his possessions -- Williams acted as the ball-handler in pick-and-roll, a context familiar to him from his high school days playing point guard before a growth spurt shot him up to combo-forward size. Those possessions, relative to play-type, were his most efficient; Williams produced 0.962 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, a 90th percentile mark.

That is an amazing stat Fleet! If we were ever going to gamble on a pick, this would be the draft to do it! Every one of the prospects in the top three had major question marks and concerns. This isn't like last year's draft, in which Zion and Ja (and to a lesser extent Barrett) projected to be good starters at minimum. Since getting drafted, Anthony Edwards has done nothing to dispel his locker room and off court concerns. James Wiseman is a high upside, high risk prospect who could easily end up in the IR multiple seasons. LaMelo was graded the best prospect by ESPN, and he's a dude that admittedly doesn't play defense and can't really shoot. Deni, Toppin, Okoro, and the rest of the guys projected to go at #4 come with even bigger risks, and more limited ceilings. The more I think about it, the more I realize that it had to be Patrick Williams. The recent videos that were released, in which Patrick Williams stands out above the rest of the competition, certainly are encouraging but Williams has other huge benefits... we desperately need help at small forward, we desperately need to pair Zach and Lauri with good defenders, and we desperately need the incredibly high ceiling Williams has as a prospect. Williams has as good a chance as any of the Top 3 to become great.

[Chi town]

Yeah if he really had these skills the whole time and the coach was trying to get him to play into some other role, that would be an epic level of misuse.

FSU has a unique 10 player system. Many had them winning the tourney.

Coach?
Player?
System?

I suppose I could buy all 3. If you’re playing for a hard coach who runs a deep system you probably don’t want to push the envelope too much as an kid who doesn’t know much.

Still though I’m like dang if you get a unit like him that’s built like an nba vet at 18, who can also the handle the ball I’m dialing up his number often, system be damned. I guess we shall see.

I’m buying all 3 too.

I’d like to see PW get some shots backing up OPJ until he gets traded at the deadline and then hopefully he steps into a starting role.

[StunnerKO]

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[Magic beans]

Guaranteed, 100% of the people that have been hating this pick don’t know things like the following:

Twenty-six times, though -- or, put another way, on 8.8 percent of his possessions -- Williams acted as the ball-handler in pick-and-roll, a context familiar to him from his high school days playing point guard before a growth spurt shot him up to combo-forward size. Those possessions, relative to play-type, were his most efficient; Williams produced 0.962 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, a 90th percentile mark.

That is an amazing stat Fleet! If we were ever going to gamble on a pick, this would be the draft to do it! Every one of the prospects in the top three had major question marks and concerns. This isn't like last year's draft, in which Zion and Ja (and to a lesser extent Barrett) projected to be good starters at minimum. Since getting drafted, Anthony Edwards has done nothing to dispel his locker room and off court concerns. James Wiseman is a high upside, high risk prospect who could easily end up in the IR multiple seasons. LaMelo was graded the best prospect by ESPN, and he's a dude that admittedly doesn't play defense and can't really shoot. Deni, Toppin, Okoro, and the rest of the guys projected to go at #4 come with even bigger risks, and more limited ceilings. The more I think about it, the more I realize that it had to be Patrick Williams. The recent videos that were released, in which Patrick Williams stands out above the rest of the competition, certainly are encouraging but Williams has other huge benefits... we desperately need help at small forward, we desperately need to pair Zach and Lauri with good defenders, and we desperately need the incredibly high ceiling Williams has as a prospect. Williams has as good a chance as any of the Top 3 to become great.

It’s this kind of positivity that makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside!! When you break it down like that PWill selection was inspired.

Hope the kid develops ala Jayson Tatum.

[Dez]

Good read...

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/what-bulls-see-patrick-williams-what-nba-today

Still can't wrap my mind around the data on him. He really didn't look great at FSU. If he ends up being the stud that he is being hyped to be, the FSU coach should be tarred and feathered.

Yeah if he really had these skills the whole time and the coach was trying to get him to play into some other role, that would be an epic level of misuse.

If that is the case then it paints a very good picture of Patrick Williams as a fantastic team player and person with no ego.

[kulaz3000]

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6'11 wingspan seems about right. 7'2 seems like a bit of a reach.

Totally believe the vertical, he gets up with ease.

[BullsFTW]

I think Leonard Hamilton wanted and needed Pat Will to play the role of a 6th Man, although with his talent and skills, he was capable of more. The team had many returnees and was bound for great things had their been an NCAA Tournament, and Pat Will accepted the role he was given.

Somewhat I get a feeling Hamilton didn’t start Pat Will as to “hide” him and in hopes of him staying another year.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Guaranteed, 100% of the people that have been hating this pick don’t know things like the following:

Twenty-six times, though -- or, put another way, on 8.8 percent of his possessions -- Williams acted as the ball-handler in pick-and-roll, a context familiar to him from his high school days playing point guard before a growth spurt shot him up to combo-forward size. Those possessions, relative to play-type, were his most efficient; Williams produced 0.962 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, a 90th percentile mark.

I'm excited to see what he can do, but I wouldn't read too much into this. 26 possessions and 25 total points is not that many, and we don't have any context for these numbers, maybe he was really successful in the PNR when he had a mismatch, or maybe he had success against teams like Chicago State or North Alabama, or in garbage time against backups, etc.

[cjbulls]

Guaranteed, 100% of the people that have been hating this pick don’t know things like the following:

Twenty-six times, though -- or, put another way, on 8.8 percent of his possessions -- Williams acted as the ball-handler in pick-and-roll, a context familiar to him from his high school days playing point guard before a growth spurt shot him up to combo-forward size. Those possessions, relative to play-type, were his most efficient; Williams produced 0.962 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, a 90th percentile mark.

Guarantee you are wrong as this has already been discussed. It is far too small of a sample size to take any meaning. He played 29 games and had 26 pick and roll possessions.

[bullsnewdynasty]

I am still utterly amazed that anybody has a problem with taking this guy.

This draft was awful. Stop giving credence to mock drafts like they're the end-all on where players are supposed to get taken. Go back and look at some of the pre-draft "consensus" top 10 picks over the last 5 years and where they ended up.

[heir_jordan22]

Ok, but Oladipo had shown a ton of potential in college, so let's keep some perspective on likely outcomes.

Oladipo played three seasons in college. Freshman Dipo played 18 mpg getting 7.4 ppg and 3.7 rpg.
I never saw him play at Indiana, so maybe he showed hugely impressive potential already, but he played and produced less than Williams as a freshman, and for a really bad team to boot (12-20, 11th in Big Ten LOL). So Patrick is well ahead at this point.

I was never a fan of comparing two guys who both didn't do much early in their careers and use that to extrapolate. I remember folks did that with Lauri and Dirk's first season. Great players start bad and then go on a hard to replicate trajectory of improvement. That's the part that is almost impossible to forecast.

But I'll grant you that Oladipo started mediocre and so did PWill.

By no means was I comparing their body of wor when I said he looks like a younger Oladipo. I mean strictly the way they move athletically, with the ball off the ball, offense, defense. Williams just seems to have a very similar playing style, with similar skills and similar aggressive on defense, and lack thereof on offense. Oladipo has a quicker first step with the ball but Williams has a better shot than young oladipo.

[dougthonus]

I am still utterly amazed that anybody has a problem with taking this guy.

This draft was awful. Stop giving credence to mock drafts like they're the end-all on where players are supposed to get taken. Go back and look at some of the pre-draft "consensus" top 10 picks over the last 5 years and where they ended up.

I don't think its just where he was mocked, it's a combination of things:
- Where he was mocked
- That he came off the bench in college
- He was not rated highly going into college
- He didn't have great stats in college
- He doesn't look like an off the charts athlete, just a good one
- He may be a PF and not a SF

So yeah, the first thing you're noting probably shouldn't be a huge problem. It is the context of all these other things. You can start trying to poke holes in all of them and explain all of them away, but from an Occam's razor perspective, the easiest conclusion to come to was this pick feels like a reach.

Maybe it won't be, as I said earlier, if someone took Jimmy Butler at #4 overall, they'd have been tarred and feathered and 5 years later would have looked like an absolute genius.

[fleet]

Normal draft, a reach. In the context of this draft, not a reach. Just a late riser at the last minute

[Bankshot]

I am still utterly amazed that anybody has a problem with taking this guy.

This draft was awful. Stop giving credence to mock drafts like they're the end-all on where players are supposed to get taken. Go back and look at some of the pre-draft "consensus" top 10 picks over the last 5 years and where they ended up.

I don't think its just where he was mocked, it's a combination of things:
- Where he was mocked
- That he came off the bench in college
- He was not rated highly going into college
- He didn't have great stats in college
- He doesn't look like an off the charts athlete, just a good one
- He may be a PF and not a SF

So yeah, the first thing you're noting probably shouldn't be a huge problem. It is the context of all these other things. You can start trying to poke holes in all of them and explain all of them away, but from an Occam's razor perspective, the easiest conclusion to come to was this pick feels like a reach.

Maybe it won't be, as I said earlier, if someone took Jimmy Butler at #4 overall, they'd have been tarred and feathered and 5 years later would have looked like an absolute genius.

"He doesn't look like an off the charts athlete"....from the video I have seen he may not be vince carter but he's an excellent athlete...and you are saying it's a mark against him or insinuating it is a downside....come on Doug...his head get almost rim level and he does have some quick twitch to him.