Bears 2023 thread V

[Chi town]

Like I said it’s either Penix or Caleb… Maye is the fools gold of the draft..


Mark my words

I’ve been out on Maye as well. I’d take Daniels over Penix though. Just don’t believe in his health after two acl’s.

Don’t know what to think about Nix. Think he’s more of a game manager.

he's one of the quickest to get the ball out and has a beautiful sidearm quick out. basically the anti-justin in terms of throwing

not sure 40 TDs vs. 3 INTs screams game manager

Watch his games. You will see.

[Chi town]

Bears should be 6-6. Maybe even 7-5 with an average HC and OC. Flus has the D playing now but he has been a train wreck and Getsy even worse.

We need another DE and a safety to replace Jackson and this D will be top 7 and win you games next season.

Offense needs a C and another WR/TE weapon and with a solid QB it could be 15th in the league.

We will have the talent on both sides of the ball next season to be in the playoffs with average QB play. Shoot, I’d even say Fields without the fumbles and we are in the playoffs but we aren’t a threat.

You draft a QB and you hit this team is setup for 4-5 years with current roster.

Trade Fields for a 2nd.
Get new HC and OC and let them pick QB.
Win games.

[Dresden]

I’ve been out on Maye as well. I’d take Daniels over Penix though. Just don’t believe in his health after two acl’s.

Don’t know what to think about Nix. Think he’s more of a game manager.

he's one of the quickest to get the ball out and has a beautiful sidearm quick out. basically the anti-justin in terms of throwing

not sure 40 TDs vs. 3 INTs screams game manager

Watch his games. You will see.

I saw the stat last night that Nix has started 60 FBS games now, a record. That's a lot of college football. Caleb has probably around 24. So you would expect him to look more polished and make fewer mistakes. Penix is also in that category, and I believe Daniels is older as well.

Caleb and Maye are the two that are younger, and I think that is one reason their upside is perceived to be much greater. That, and their arm talent.

[dice]

Bears should be 6-6. Maybe even 7-5 with an average HC and OC.

they're 3-5 in 1 score games. you could say they should be 5-7, but beyond that is a stretch. expected wins based on game scores is 4.6

if the season was restarted the bears over/under would be 7 wins

[Chi town]

Bears should be 6-6. Maybe even 7-5 with an average HC and OC.

they're 3-5 in 1 score games. you could say they should be 5-7, but beyond that is a stretch. expected wins based on game scores is 4.6

if the season was restarted the bears over/under would be 7 wins

What? The likelihood of them losing that Lions game was like 1%.

Broncos game was a win until they played it safe with turtle ball and Fields fumbled away for a TD.

Packers game to open season was winnable but they were so outclassed in coaching they lost that one too.

[dice]

Bears should be 6-6. Maybe even 7-5 with an average HC and OC.

they're 3-5 in 1 score games. you could say they should be 5-7, but beyond that is a stretch. expected wins based on game scores is 4.6

if the season was restarted the bears over/under would be 7 wins

What? The likelihood of them losing that Lions game was like 1%.

Broncos game was a win until they played it safe with turtle ball and Fields fumbled away for a TD.

Packers game to open season was winnable but they were so outclassed in coaching they lost that one too.

the offense and defense were both bad in the packers game. 18 point loss. to chalk that one up to coaching is pretty silly

and it was minnesota playing bad that gave the bears that one. and the lions playing bad that had the bears up to begin with. these things go both ways. but if you want to count any point in any game that the bears were favs as a game they should've won, then yeah, they should be 7-5

[bad knees]

I thought both Penix and Nix played very well last night, and I would welcome either as the Bears QB next season. Penix has a beautiful long ball and great touch; Nix can make all the throws and can run too. I think they are both better than Caleb and Maye. CW holds the ball too long for my taste, and Maye doesn't produce - his draft rating seems to be based a lot on his size. Haven't seen Daniels yet, but I am prepared to like him too. It would be kind of dicey, but right now I would like to see the Bears trade down from 1 or 2 and take Penix or Nix in the 5 range, which is where I think they will end up. A lot of mock drafts already have them in the top 10.

[Chi town]

I thought both Penix and Nix played very well last night, and I would welcome either as the Bears QB next season. Penix has a beautiful long ball and great touch; Nix can make all the throws and can run too. I think they are both better than Caleb and Maye. CW holds the ball too long for my taste, and Maye doesn't produce - his draft rating seems to be based a lot on his size. Haven't seen Daniels yet, but I am prepared to like him too. It would be kind of dicey, but right now I would like to see the Bears trade down from 1 or 2 and take Penix or Nix in the 5 range, which is where I think they will end up. A lot of mock drafts already have them in the top 10.

Most we will see is 3 QBs in top 10 IMO. That’s based on traditional draft history.

I could see Poles taking his QB with Bears pick and getting a massive haul for CW at 1. Bears will have a playoff roster next season outside of QB.

If you miss on a great QB… that hurts forever. But, if you add two more future 1sts it keeps bullets in the gun for the future.

[Dresden]

Crimson Tide is giving GA all they can handle. And just when you thought they were having a down year. Bowers with 2 catches for 20 yards so far.

[Dresden]

I thought both Penix and Nix played very well last night, and I would welcome either as the Bears QB next season. Penix has a beautiful long ball and great touch; Nix can make all the throws and can run too. I think they are both better than Caleb and Maye. CW holds the ball too long for my taste, and Maye doesn't produce - his draft rating seems to be based a lot on his size. Haven't seen Daniels yet, but I am prepared to like him too. It would be kind of dicey, but right now I would like to see the Bears trade down from 1 or 2 and take Penix or Nix in the 5 range, which is where I think they will end up. A lot of mock drafts already have them in the top 10.

Strongly disagree. Again, both Penix and Nix are several years older than Maye or Caleb. Penix has had 2 ACL's and he's got a bit of a long delivery. I wouldn't mind either of them, I just think Maye and Caleb are much more likely to be stars in the NFL.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Ewers had a nice stat line today in the B12 championship game. I still think he has the best arm talent of the group but he's just so damn raw.

[patryk7754]

I don't think any of these QBs are more talented than Fields but anyone other than Williams is just crazy. I know a fans primary function is to be fanatical but recycling QBs won't fix the issue. The bears history is to always overreact to "fixing" fixing the QB position but never fixing the issues around the QB. Maybe for the first time in history (other than the 85 team) maybe we should focus on being above average at every other position on the team and maybe the QB will be successful.

[patryk7754]

I think the best-case scenario (assuming we all agree to keep Fields) would be for the Patriots to finish with the second overall pick. THey are currently sitting at 3rd with a 2-9 record and the Cardinals are 2nd with a 2-10 record. I think its more likely the Cardinals are better than the Patriots moving forward. If the Patriots finish 2nd, we can trade down to 2 and get multiple other picks plus Christian Gonzalez. Draft Harriosn and Bowers.

Unless the Cardinals trade Kyler, that means they'd trade up for Williams as well. I think the Raiders are going to make a huge offer for Kyler.

[dice]

I think the best-case scenario (assuming we all agree to keep Fields) would be for the Patriots to finish with the second overall pick. THey are currently sitting at 3rd with a 2-9 record and the Cardinals are 2nd with a 2-10 record. I think its more likely the Cardinals are better than the Patriots moving forward. If the Patriots finish 2nd, we can trade down to 2 and get multiple other picks plus Christian Gonzalez. Draft Harriosn and Bowers.

Unless the Cardinals trade Kyler, that means they'd trade up for Williams as well. I think the Raiders are going to make a huge offer for Kyler.

not sure why people want bowers unless they see us using 2 TE regularly. but maybe that's not a bad idea, particularly if fields remains at QB. could run a lot too

[patryk7754]

I think the best-case scenario (assuming we all agree to keep Fields) would be for the Patriots to finish with the second overall pick. THey are currently sitting at 3rd with a 2-9 record and the Cardinals are 2nd with a 2-10 record. I think its more likely the Cardinals are better than the Patriots moving forward. If the Patriots finish 2nd, we can trade down to 2 and get multiple other picks plus Christian Gonzalez. Draft Harriosn and Bowers.

Unless the Cardinals trade Kyler, that means they'd trade up for Williams as well. I think the Raiders are going to make a huge offer for Kyler.

not sure why people want bowers unless they see us using 2 TE regularly. but maybe that's not a bad idea, particularly if fields remains at QB

Bowers is the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft and is guaranteed to have an all-pro career. People should be talking about him the same way people talked about Kyle Pitts. Also, Bowers could just play WR, much like Jimmy Graham on the Saints.

[patryk7754]

If we trade with Cardinals it should be the their two 1st this year (one of which being 2nd overall) their 2nd and a 1st next draft. Draft Harrison and Latu in the top 5 and use the other 1st to trade up for Bowers.

[dice]

current season OL PFF grades, left to right side:

68.7 (7 penalties, 1 sack, 390 snaps)
72.5
49.6
60.6
60.6 (9 pen, 6 sacks, 793 snaps)

again braxton has significantly improved as season has progressed. will be tough to move on if fashanu or (more likely) alt is available. probably rather have bowers or (more likely available) latu. current big board consensus w/ bears most likely draft slot #6:

1 caleb
2 marv
3 maye
4 fash
5 bowers
6 alt
7 latu

[gap]

nabers/mckinstry/odunze/newton/turner

[gap]

[dice]

3rd and 16 w/ 30 secs left in half and iowa runs the ball. w/ a superb defense, that is some serious lack of confidence in your passing game

[Dresden]

I don't think any of these QBs are more talented than Fields but anyone other than Williams is just crazy. I know a fans primary function is to be fanatical but recycling QBs won't fix the issue. The bears history is to always overreact to "fixing" fixing the QB position but never fixing the issues around the QB. Maybe for the first time in history (other than the 85 team) maybe we should focus on being above average at every other position on the team and maybe the QB will be successful.

Fields lacks basic fundamentals, like being able to read a defense, react quickly, make anticipation throws, having pocket presence, and being able to perform in the clutch. All of the QB's being discussed on here look superior in these aspects. The only thing Fields has on them is his running ability, and his deep ball accuracy, which we never get to see.

[Dresden]

current season OL PFF grades, left to right side:

68.7 (7 penalties, 1 sack, 390 snaps)
72.5
49.6
60.6
60.6 (9 pen, 6 sacks, 793 snaps)

again braxton has significantly improved as season has progressed. will be tough to move on if fashanu or (more likely) alt is available. probably rather have bowers or (more likely available) latu. current big board consensus w/ bears most likely draft slot #6:

1 caleb
2 marv
3 maye
4 fash
5 bowers
6 alt
7 latu

[gap]

nabers/mckinstry/odunze/newton/turner

[gap]

A draft of Caleb/Maye and Latu for the Bears would be phenomenal. I think this year, it would be a mistake to trade down. We need impact players.