WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

The simple truth is that there's really no room or minutes for Nate on the team next season. The Bulls are not gonna trot 5'6" Nate Robinson out on the court with Rose. Teague is entering his second year, which means that he will more than likely see consistent minutes.

Nate realizes this & it's why he's using his twitter followers to put pressure on the Bulls. He needs the Bulls to drive up his price.

Your spin is outrageous.

OF COURSE there are going to be minutes for Nate next season: Kirk is going to get hurt no matter what and miss many games. Teague is 20 years old and can barely play at the NBA level. So far he's been pretty terrible. He can NOT be expected to relieve Rose for quality minutes while generating kick ass and super awesome offence. Why? Because his first name isn't Nate and his last name isn't Robinson.

And Jesus Christ. No one is declaring that Rose and Nate are going to start together or that the Bulls are going to "trot 5'6" "out on the court with Rose". What fans have been insinuating is that in certain moments of certain games, a Rose and Nate back court would be extremely difficult for Miami and for Spoelstra to use LeBron to trap Rose, seeing as there would be a second, super athletic shot creator next to Rose.

As for what Nate realizes and what he actually is thinking and intending, that is only known (pretty obvious) by Nate and his inner circle or close associates.

Relax man. Spin is not the same as having an OPINION.

I get it that you really love Nate, but sometimes other people view it a little differently. He grew on me last season, but I just don't view him as the key to a championship victory like you do.

There is a reason he's fighting for a minimum contract.

[Doom]

not sure if this was posted, but reported on rotoworld that the nuggets are interested in signing nate

[EastBayFJ]

Thibs doesn't hate Nate. Thibs is why Nate ended up on the team last season, at least the way I understand it (he had played for Thibs before). But there is a reason no one wanted him before, and no one is all that interested now. It is a it perplexing to me to watch all the Bulls fans talk about him like he would be an asset this season. Nate is a journeyman PG volume shooter who is barely hanging onto a spot in the league. Meanwhile many of us Bulls fans talk like he is a borderline star. It is amazing what a couple great games in the regular season and one epic game in the playoffs will do for your reputation with the home crowd.


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He has several teams interested in him and will ink a deal around the tax payers exception ( $3M ) per which is what he's worth

And when he inks this next deal he will have had a 10 year career in the league

Not bad for a 5'9 guy who can win games on his own and even as a volume shooter still consistently has posted TS% between 53% to 55% for his career

He IS one of the most under rated guys in the league and constantly gets dismissed for his extroverted enthusiasm and his height

I would have taken him over Dunleavy in a heartbeat- its borderline criminal that we're letting go our 2nd creator at $3M per when we can draft or trade for this need we are so in need of for a system role player like Dunleavy in the salary slot that should have gone to Robinson

[Axl Rose]

DAMN DAMN DAMN, Nate sexy as hell.

female? i hope

[dice]

...even as a volume shooter still consistently has posted TS% between 53% to 55% for his career

I would have taken him over Dunleavy in a heartbeat- its borderline criminal that we're letting go our 2nd creator at $3M per when we can draft or trade for this need we are so in need of for a system role player like Dunleavy in the salary slot that should have gone to Robinson

you are so out to lunch. first of all, nate robinson is not much more of a "volume shooter" than dunleavy. career per 36:

dunleavy 15.2p 55.4% TS
robinson 17.7p 53.5% TS

i'll take the former. and that's without factoring in that dunleavy is a more capable defender

also, nate was simply not gonna get minutes. dunleavy was critical in that we needed a tested backup wing

[Rerisen]

also, nate was simply not gonna get minutes.

This is basically a statement of belief in Marquis Teague's readiness considering Hinrich has averaged missing 17 games the last 3 years.

Disregarding I think Nate could get minutes even with Hinrich healthy.

Not to say he's more important than Dunleavy, but he is important separately.

[dice]

also, nate was simply not gonna get minutes.

This is basically a statement of belief in Marquis Teague's readiness considering Hinrich has averaged missing 17 games the last 3 years.

true. i was assuming a healthy backcourt. but my main point was that dunleavy will be valuable every night. nate would only become valuable situationally

[chifan1798]

Wait, what? I don't know if I believe this. Thibs doesn't want him back?

Robinson is unlikely to return to the Bulls, due to the reluctance of Tom Thibodeau.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... e-Robinson

[Ben]

If you could choose Nate for $3M and Anthony Morrow for the vet minimum, or Dunleavy for $3M and, say, Goudelock or JLIII for the minimum-- I'm guessing Goudelock-- which pair do you choose? Tough one for me. Kind of depends on how many minutes you think Butler and Deng are gonna log (healthily) at the 2/3.

[dice]

Wait, what? I don't know if I believe this. Thibs doesn't want him back?

Robinson is unlikely to return to the Bulls, due to the reluctance of Tom Thibodeau.

it's been discussed and the general consensus is that that's BS. highly unlikely that nate would not be welcomed back with open arms

[Doom]

If you could choose Nate for $3M and Anthony Morrow for the vet minimum, or Dunleavy for $3M and, say, Goudelock or JLIII for the minimum-- I'm guessing Goudelock-- which pair do you choose? Tough one for me. Kind of depends on how many minutes you think Butler and Deng are gonna log (healthily) at the 2/3.

dunleavy + goudelock without question.

[kingkirk]

If you could choose Nate for $3M and Anthony Morrow for the vet minimum, or Dunleavy for $3M and, say, Goudelock or JLIII for the minimum-- I'm guessing Goudelock-- which pair do you choose? Tough one for me. Kind of depends on how many minutes you think Butler and Deng are gonna log (healthily) at the 2/3.

Depends on the style of play we want to go with whilst also considering Thibs here and with Rose returning.

I'd be more inclined to go with Dunleavy as he is tall unit no matter what position he plays, which is something that we need to factor in here as well.

His height on the wings is intriguing.

Goudelock is no Nate, but he can possibly be a Nate lite. He has shown he can score at an NBA level and has the height at 6'3" to play in more rotations with Thibs than Nate would imo.

Morrow also has shown much in his last couple of seasons aside from being bounced around the league. With the draft of Snell and Dunleavy's ability to play multiple positions, Morrow would be a clone that wouldn't be needed at this point.

[MrFortune3]

If you could choose Nate for $3M and Anthony Morrow for the vet minimum, or Dunleavy for $3M and, say, Goudelock or JLIII for the minimum-- I'm guessing Goudelock-- which pair do you choose? Tough one for me. Kind of depends on how many minutes you think Butler and Deng are gonna log (healthily) at the 2/3.

Nate and Morrow, because both are proven players in the NBA.
i would say Dunleavy and Goudelolck but i have no idea what Goudelock will bring to the table.

[HomoSapien]

This is easily Nate and Morrow.

[Ben]

Morrow also has shown much in his last couple of seasons aside from being bounced around the league. With the draft of Snell and Dunleavy's ability to play multiple positions, Morrow would be a clone that wouldn't be needed at this point.

Remember, in the Nate/Morrow scenario we wouldn't have Dunleavy. Wasn't sure if you were counting him in both scenarios.

As for Morrow being a clone: clone of whom? He would probably be our best 3P shooter (assuming Nate doesn't shoot over 40% from 3P range again), and he's a wing (2/3). Who else would look like that? You don't mean that he would be a clone of Snell, do you? Snell has never played an NBA game. In his best 3P-shooting season in the NCAA he shot significantly lower than Morrow's entire NBA average (39% vs. 42.4%). Morrow shot well over 40% in college, too. You can't just assume that Snell's going to be a 3P assassin in the NBA, or that he'll even remotely sniff the region of Morrow's 3P prowess.

As for Dunleavy's multiple positions: since Morrow can play the 2 and 3, if you're differentiating Dunleavy based on his positional flexibility I suppose you're referring to playing him at PF? I'd be pretty surprised to see that happen very often. Maybe Deng and Dunleavy at the 3/4, but Luol might well be defending the other team's 4.

I'm guessing the two charts would look something like the following:

Rose/ Kirk/ Goudelock/ Teague (last 2 interchangeable)
Butler/ Dunleavy/ Kirk/ Goudelock/ Snell
Deng/ Butler/ Dunleavy/ Snell (Butler & Dunleavy interchangeable)
Boozer/ Taj/ Deng/ Thomas
Noah/ Nazr/ Taj/ Boozer

OR

Rose/ Kirk/ Nate/ Teague
Butler/ Morrow/ Kirk/ Nate/ Snell
Deng/ Butler/ Morrow/ Snell
Boozer/ Taj/ Deng/ Thomas
Noah/ Nazr/ Taj/ Boozer

The Nate piece would be much more important if we were to anticipate any injuries to Rose and/or Kirk. The Dunleavy piece would be more important if we were to anticipate any wing injuries.

[MrFortune3]

Morrow also has shown much in his last couple of seasons aside from being bounced around the league. With the draft of Snell and Dunleavy's ability to play multiple positions, Morrow would be a clone that wouldn't be needed at this point.

Remember, in the Nate/Morrow scenario we wouldn't have Dunleavy. Wasn't sure if you were counting him in both scenarios.

As for Morrow being a clone: clone of whom? He would probably be our best 3P shooter (assuming Nate doesn't shoot over 40% from 3P range again), and he's a wing (2/3). Who else would look like that? You don't mean that he would be a clone of Snell, do you? Snell has never played an NBA game. In his best 3P-shooting season in the NCAA he shot significantly lower than Morrow's entire NBA average (39% vs. 42.4%). Morrow shot well over 40% in college, too. You can't just assume that Snell's going to be a 3P assassin in the NBA, or that he'll even remotely sniff the region of Morrow's 3P prowess.

As for Dunleavy's multiple positions: since Morrow can play the 2 and 3, if you're differentiating Dunleavy based on his positional flexibility I suppose you're referring to playing him at PF? I'd be pretty surprised to see that happen very often. Maybe Deng and Dunleavy at the 3/4, but Luol might well be defending the other team's 4.

I'm guessing the two charts would look something like the following:

Rose/ Kirk/ Goudelock/ Teague (last 2 interchangeable)
Butler/ Dunleavy/ Kirk/ Goudelock/ Snell
Deng/ Butler/ Dunleavy/ Snell (Butler & Dunleavy interchangeable)
Boozer/ Taj/ Deng/ Thomas
Noah/ Nazr/ Taj/ Boozer

OR

Rose/ Kirk/ Nate/ Teague
Butler/ Morrow/ Kirk/ Nate/ Snell
Deng/ Butler/ Morrow/ Snell
Boozer/ Taj/ Deng/ Thomas
Noah/ Nazr/ Taj/ Boozer

The Nate piece would be much more important if we were to anticipate any injuries to Rose and/or Kirk. The Dunleavy piece would be more important if we were to anticipate any wing injuries.

i don't see any scenario where Goudelock plays over Teague in the depth chart.
people are giving up on him way too early and way too often.

[HomoSapien]

Why not? Goudelock's game is much more polished than Teague's.

[Rerisen]

I'm curious to know what people's idea of 'run the offense' is going to be for the 2nd unit next year. Whether that is Teague or Hinrich, same question mark for either.

Far as i can see, its likely going to be just be Dunleavy running the old Korver sets.

We are going to need far more than that. With combinations of other players including Nazr Mohammed, Taj Gibson, and maybe Deng or Butler still from the starting unit.

At least with Watson and Lucas they could get a high screen and look to score on their own once in a while. Kirk is now poor at this. Teague would do better, but still has trouble finishing, and weakens the shooting.

[kingkirk]

Remember, in the Nate/Morrow scenario we wouldn't have Dunleavy. Wasn't sure if you were counting him in both scenarios.

My oversight in the discussion.

As for Morrow being a clone: clone of whom? He would probably be our best 3P shooter (assuming Nate doesn't shoot over 40% from 3P range again), and he's a wing (2/3). Who else would look like that? You don't mean that he would be a clone of Snell, do you? Snell has never played an NBA game. In his best 3P-shooting season in the NCAA he shot significantly lower than Morrow's entire NBA average (39% vs. 42.4%). Morrow shot well over 40% in college, too. You can't just assume that Snell's going to be a 3P assassin in the NBA, or that he'll even remotely sniff the region of Morrow's 3P prowess.

That's correct. Morrow to me will be a clone of Snell, or vice versa. Dunleavy and Snell offers more flexibility to me than Morrow and Snell does.

I can't assume that Snell will be that, agreed, but i think he will grow into that and be a similar player to prime Morrow.

Whilst that take some time, i haven't liked what i've seen from Morrow in the last season or so. He has hit his 3s, but at this point would he get more minutes in the rotation over Snell?

Perhaps a few, but i think Morrow has regressed somewhat. Perhaps im a tough critic, but i think his game has suffered over the last 2 seasons at least.

Mike is a 2/3 as well, but he has the ball handling ability to run an offensive set or put it on the floor and get into the lane, which i don't see from Morrow or Snell at this point.

[Rerisen]

Teague is a player who would be ideal in a role like Rondo has been till now, with 3 scoring options around him. And Hinrich needs at least 2, and one specifically being a creator, such that Kirks spot up shooting can actually be of value to the team. He can't create space on his own well for a jumper, and not much at all for a three, like say Nate, who pretty much solves all these dilemmas whenever they would arise.

The only solution with the current roster is going to be, "Rose, get back in the game with less rest."