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fleet wrote:Hub says Fields is the third most capable QB on the roster at this time. Hub. And that Foles has thrown the ball as well as Fields and Dalton in practice. And that if Dalton got hurt, he doesn’t know which QB Nagy would play first. This is a good time to finally say it. Hub needs a real name. It has been eating me up for years.
Jcool0 wrote:
I eould need a lot more context. If the Bears lose big game 1 and the offense is inept because Dalton is running for his life or on his back, that is different than if the offense doesn't move because Dalton isn't making throws that he should be.biggestbullsfan wrote:I think if the score we got in the second preseason game was the score we ended up with after the first game of the season, I think you pull the trigger. But they made the mistake of giving Andy a promise before camp when they signed him. I think you have to play him otherwise, they lose credibility not just with the team, but with any potential future positions they might hold. Your word has to mean something, especially among these agents, players and Front Offices. I guess he can sleep at night know he was consistent with his message, even if it was the wrong one. It might cost us a season tho.
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:This team is going to suck, aren’t they?
I don’t know if it’s just the Bills game, but the secondary is bad. Bottom 3rd of the league bad IMO, maybe even bottom 5 teams.
The offense is going to suck. A ton of 3 and outs. Bottom 3rd offense line in the league. Dalton is a statue. And the running game isn’t very good either. Everyone is hyped on Montgomery, but he hasn’t proved anything yet.
This team is going to have a bunch of 17-3, 24-10 scores going into the 4th, and Bears fans will keep thinking “just one big play from being right back in it”.
6-11 IMO. Maybe it’s best Fields doesn’t play until these other units get figured out.
sco wrote:Chicago-Bull-E wrote:This team is going to suck, aren’t they?
I don’t know if it’s just the Bills game, but the secondary is bad. Bottom 3rd of the league bad IMO, maybe even bottom 5 teams.
The offense is going to suck. A ton of 3 and outs. Bottom 3rd offense line in the league. Dalton is a statue. And the running game isn’t very good either. Everyone is hyped on Montgomery, but he hasn’t proved anything yet.
This team is going to have a bunch of 17-3, 24-10 scores going into the 4th, and Bears fans will keep thinking “just one big play from being right back in it”.
6-11 IMO. Maybe it’s best Fields doesn’t play until these other units get figured out.
IMO, the O-Line is gonna dictate our season. They look bad, but with so many guys injured, playing out of position, it's been hard to tell.
Fl_Flash wrote:sco wrote:Chicago-Bull-E wrote:This team is going to suck, aren’t they?
I don’t know if it’s just the Bills game, but the secondary is bad. Bottom 3rd of the league bad IMO, maybe even bottom 5 teams.
The offense is going to suck. A ton of 3 and outs. Bottom 3rd offense line in the league. Dalton is a statue. And the running game isn’t very good either. Everyone is hyped on Montgomery, but he hasn’t proved anything yet.
This team is going to have a bunch of 17-3, 24-10 scores going into the 4th, and Bears fans will keep thinking “just one big play from being right back in it”.
6-11 IMO. Maybe it’s best Fields doesn’t play until these other units get figured out.
IMO, the O-Line is gonna dictate our season. They look bad, but with so many guys injured, playing out of position, it's been hard to tell.
Agree with both these statements.
After watching the Bills game - it became pretty clear that the offensive line is terrible, the defense is nothing special and the team as a whole looked like they'd never seen a football before let alone having played the game for half their lives. That's on the coach\staff.
I was all for getting Fields out there sooner rather than later. After that hit he took I'm doing a 180. With the O-line in question I'd be all for letting Dalton become a tackling dummy for the season. That will dovetail into a lot of losses, but I'm fine with that. Maybe do a proper one season tank for once. Get a top 5 pick (do the Bears own their first next year? I've no clue) and actually trade down with whatever desperate team wants to trade up and build some more draft capital.
Also - it's time to get rid of Nagy. The team looks terrible. You can say "well, it's preseason. They're resting all their best players". A valid statement. What gets me is that you shouldn't see all the mistakes, penalties and other errors if these guys are well coached. Nagy has never struck me as a guy who has a good grasp of what's going on with his team. The other teams are resting their best players also and the Bears looked like a high-school team next to the Bills.
Tank the season. Let Dalton take the damage. Build up the offensive line over the offseason. Start acquiring draft picks as opposed to trading them away. Then roll with Fields next year. Much as I want him out there - I don't trust the o-line, which then degrades the running game and Nagy is a terrible play-caller. How many wide receiver screens do we need to see to know that, at best, they might work once per game.
Let Fields start next season as the unquestioned starter after Dalton is carried away on a stretcher by the end of the year and (hopefully) Nagy is gone with him.
fleet wrote:Hub says Fields is the third most capable QB on the roster at this time. Hub. And that Foles has thrown the ball as well as Fields and Dalton in practice. And that if Dalton got hurt, he doesn’t know which QB Nagy would play first. This is a good time to finally say it. Hub needs a real name. It has been eating me up for years.
Dresden wrote:Fl_Flash wrote:sco wrote:IMO, the O-Line is gonna dictate our season. They look bad, but with so many guys injured, playing out of position, it's been hard to tell.
Agree with both these statements.
After watching the Bills game - it became pretty clear that the offensive line is terrible, the defense is nothing special and the team as a whole looked like they'd never seen a football before let alone having played the game for half their lives. That's on the coach\staff.
I was all for getting Fields out there sooner rather than later. After that hit he took I'm doing a 180. With the O-line in question I'd be all for letting Dalton become a tackling dummy for the season. That will dovetail into a lot of losses, but I'm fine with that. Maybe do a proper one season tank for once. Get a top 5 pick (do the Bears own their first next year? I've no clue) and actually trade down with whatever desperate team wants to trade up and build some more draft capital.
Also - it's time to get rid of Nagy. The team looks terrible. You can say "well, it's preseason. They're resting all their best players". A valid statement. What gets me is that you shouldn't see all the mistakes, penalties and other errors if these guys are well coached. Nagy has never struck me as a guy who has a good grasp of what's going on with his team. The other teams are resting their best players also and the Bears looked like a high-school team next to the Bills.
Tank the season. Let Dalton take the damage. Build up the offensive line over the offseason. Start acquiring draft picks as opposed to trading them away. Then roll with Fields next year. Much as I want him out there - I don't trust the o-line, which then degrades the running game and Nagy is a terrible play-caller. How many wide receiver screens do we need to see to know that, at best, they might work once per game.
Let Fields start next season as the unquestioned starter after Dalton is carried away on a stretcher by the end of the year and (hopefully) Nagy is gone with him.
The idea a tank season is appealing on some level, but they have some older players on the team and you hate to waste a year in their primes right now. I'm thinking of guys like Mack and Arob.
If the line is going to bad, I think that's a good reason to put Fields out there sooner rather than later. With his mobility, he'll be able to escape pressure much better than Dalton will, and his ability to pick up big gains with his legs will keep the defense on their heels a lot more. Whereas Dalton will be a sitting duck back there, and defenses know they don't have to worry about containment with him.
Of course you don't want Fields to get killed, either. But if he really does start to take a beating every game, then you can put in one of the vets.
Here is my prediction of how things will actually go though- Dalton will start, and get knocked out in the first 2-3 games. Fields will come in then and get his chance. I think he's fast enough and tough enough to avoid taking too many big hits though. And he likely will give us the best chance to win if the O line can't keep defenses out for more than a few seconds.
Dresden wrote:The idea a tank season is appealing on some level, but they have some older players on the team and you hate to waste a year in their primes right now. I'm thinking of guys like Mack and Arob.
If the line is going to bad, I think that's a good reason to put Fields out there sooner rather than later. With his mobility, he'll be able to escape pressure much better than Dalton will, and his ability to pick up big gains with his legs will keep the defense on their heels a lot more. Whereas Dalton will be a sitting duck back there, and defenses know they don't have to worry about containment with him.
Of course you don't want Fields to get killed, either. But if he really does start to take a beating every game, then you can put in one of the vets.
Here is my prediction of how things will actually go though- Dalton will start, and get knocked out in the first 2-3 games. Fields will come in then and get his chance. I think he's fast enough and tough enough to avoid taking too many big hits though. And he likely will give us the best chance to win if the O line can't keep defenses out for more than a few seconds.
fleet wrote:We can’t really tank. Next years first (and 4th?) was traded for Fields. Which makes the Bears approach on the O-line quite insane
Dresden wrote:Fl_Flash wrote:sco wrote:IMO, the O-Line is gonna dictate our season. They look bad, but with so many guys injured, playing out of position, it's been hard to tell.
Agree with both these statements.
After watching the Bills game - it became pretty clear that the offensive line is terrible, the defense is nothing special and the team as a whole looked like they'd never seen a football before let alone having played the game for half their lives. That's on the coach\staff.
I was all for getting Fields out there sooner rather than later. After that hit he took I'm doing a 180. With the O-line in question I'd be all for letting Dalton become a tackling dummy for the season. That will dovetail into a lot of losses, but I'm fine with that. Maybe do a proper one season tank for once. Get a top 5 pick (do the Bears own their first next year? I've no clue) and actually trade down with whatever desperate team wants to trade up and build some more draft capital.
Also - it's time to get rid of Nagy. The team looks terrible. You can say "well, it's preseason. They're resting all their best players". A valid statement. What gets me is that you shouldn't see all the mistakes, penalties and other errors if these guys are well coached. Nagy has never struck me as a guy who has a good grasp of what's going on with his team. The other teams are resting their best players also and the Bears looked like a high-school team next to the Bills.
Tank the season. Let Dalton take the damage. Build up the offensive line over the offseason. Start acquiring draft picks as opposed to trading them away. Then roll with Fields next year. Much as I want him out there - I don't trust the o-line, which then degrades the running game and Nagy is a terrible play-caller. How many wide receiver screens do we need to see to know that, at best, they might work once per game.
Let Fields start next season as the unquestioned starter after Dalton is carried away on a stretcher by the end of the year and (hopefully) Nagy is gone with him.
The idea a tank season is appealing on some level, but they have some older players on the team and you hate to waste a year in their primes right now. I'm thinking of guys like Mack and Arob.
If the line is going to bad, I think that's a good reason to put Fields out there sooner rather than later. With his mobility, he'll be able to escape pressure much better than Dalton will, and his ability to pick up big gains with his legs will keep the defense on their heels a lot more. Whereas Dalton will be a sitting duck back there, and defenses know they don't have to worry about containment with him.
Of course you don't want Fields to get killed, either. But if he really does start to take a beating every game, then you can put in one of the vets.
Here is my prediction of how things will actually go though- Dalton will start, and get knocked out in the first 2-3 games. Fields will come in then and get his chance. I think he's fast enough and tough enough to avoid taking too many big hits though. And he likely will give us the best chance to win if the O line can't keep defenses out for more than a few seconds.
Dresden wrote:Living here in SF, it's the same sort of talk going on all day and all night on sports radio- start Trey Lance now, or Jimmy G? Lance is the future, why not just let him learn? No, he's not ready yet, Jimmy G. is the safe choice, and once you pull him, it would be hard to go back. I imagine it's the same in the other cities like Jville and Boston, with Lawrence and Mac Jones.
Michael Jackson wrote:Jeffster81 wrote:Chi town wrote:If Fields gets the reigns after two games… no way Nagy plays Dalton after an 0-2 start… I see Fields with a season similar to Justin Herbert. 4,000 yards 30 TDs 12INTs 5 Rushing TDs
I still believe that Nagy, even if/when he pulls the trigger and make the switch at QB, will be a hinderance to Fields potential. If Pace wants Fields to reach his fullest potential, then a correction at the HC position will need to be made after this season.
Well in general I think that is part of Pace's survival plan in general he will try to buy an extra year or two by making a change at head coach. I'm not a Nagy fan but I am less of a pace fan.