The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

jax98 · Post #1361 » by **jax98** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:24 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Jeff Green is a significantly overpaid role player. Jared Sullinger is a nice young player who has a history of back issues and is terribly inefficient for a big man. The real key to the Celtics offer is the draft picks - but what if that's not what Minny is looking for?

If Minny wants NBA ready players, contributors to a team looking to the playoffs then Taj/Butler might be more what they are interested in. Add those two with some draft picks and Mirotic and maybe from Minny's perspective that is the better deal.

Hell - maybe Minny has enough of a hard-on for Mirotic that he trumps any prospect Boston could send their way.

Might be we are also more willing to take back a contract (like Kevin Martins).

Taj / Mirotic / #16 / #19 / 2015 #1 for Love / Martin

C Noah
F Love
F Butler
G Martin
G Rose

That's A LOT of offensive firepower right there.

Repeat 3-peat · Post #1362 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:25 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Jeff Green is a significantly overpaid role player. Jared Sullinger is a nice young player who has a history of back issues and is terribly inefficient for a big man. The real key to the Celtics offer is the draft picks - but what if that's not what Minny is looking for?

If Minny wants NBA ready players, contributors to a team looking to the playoffs then Taj/Butler might be more what they are interested in. Add those two with some draft picks and Mirotic and maybe from Minny's perspective that is the better deal.

Hell - maybe Minny has enough of a hard-on for Mirotic that he trumps any prospect Boston could send their way.

Might be we are also more willing to take back a contract (like Kevin Martins).

Taj / Mirotic / #16 / #19 / 2015 #1 for Love / Martin

I hope thats what will happen.

and then we can lure Melo to come here. :nod:

If we trade Taj and amnesty Boozer will we have enough to sign him?

mysticbb · Post #1363 » by **mysticbb** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:28 pm

fleet wrote:Mirotic I guess. We accept it as Gospel that he wouldn't play anywhere but the Bulls, but you never really know.

That will be the key. If Mirotic would play for the Timberwolves coming next season for a reasonable price, he would be worth more than the #6; then the Bulls can throw in the #16 and #19 as well as the Kings pick (and with the recent rumors about mid lottery picks being shopped, the Bulls might be able to flip #16 or #19 in combination with the Kings pick for a higher pick in this year's draft. Also, the Timberwolves have already #13, they could package that as well for a higher draft pick again). I think the Bulls can make an offer without including Gibson and/or Butler. Theoretically they can split up trades here, which they can agree in principal already on draft day:

1st: Love for Boozer+Mirotic+#16+#19+Kings pick (maybe future Bulls 1st added) + cash
2nd (after July moratorium): Budinger or Barea (seems like the two players the Timberwolves most likely want to get rid of the most, seriously doubt that just want to dump Martin at this point) for James, Amundson, Brewer (all unguaranteed) + cash

That way the Timberwolves could use $6m in cash as well as the removed salary via Barea or Budinger to compensate for Boozer's salary. And then they could end up with Mirotic plus two more Top10 picks (if they package the other picks). It would be a win-win situation. Timberwolves get adequate talent back for Love, while they can continue to improve the team around the Rubio+Pekovic combo; they don't add longterm salary; and the Bulls can ADD Love to their current core while giving up future assets only.

As pointed out atthe beginning: The key element here is Nikola Mirotic and is willingness to play for the Timberwolves. If he is, the Bulls have a great chance to make the best offer; if not, I think the Bulls will not field the best overall offer from the Timberwolves perspective.

ZUDAMAGIC · Post #1364 » by **ZUDAMAGIC** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:37 pm

Dont want love, getting him would demolish our squad, id much rather have melo

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #1365 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:40 pm

mysticbb wrote:
1st: Love for Boozer+Mirotic+#16+#19+Kings pick (maybe future Bulls 1st added) + cash
2nd (after July moratorium): Budinger or Barea (seems like the two players the Timberwolves most likely want to get rid of the most, seriously doubt that just want to dump Martin at this point) for James, Amundson, Brewer (all unguaranteed) + cash

That way the Timberwolves could use $6m in cash as well as the removed salary via Barea or Budinger to compensate for Boozer's salary. And then they could end up with Mirotic plus two more Top10 picks (if they package the other picks). It would be a win-win situation. Timberwolves get adequate talent back for Love, while they can continue to improve the team around the Rubio+Pekovic combo; they don't add longterm salary; and the Bulls can ADD Love to their current core while giving up future assets only.

Well put together trade proposal. You're right that Budinger is the much more egregious contract and would likely be the one Minny wants to send away.

weneeda2guard · Post #1366 » by **weneeda2guard** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:43 pm

Love trade will become a ugly bidding war

Get melo first

Throw whatever left at love

But melo is a more attainable target.

mysticbb · Post #1367 » by **mysticbb** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:56 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Well put together trade proposal. You're right that Budinger is the much more egregious contract and would likely be the one Minny wants to send away.

Yeah, Budinger seems to be the most likely choice based on contract and overall situation. If the Bulls are clever enough, they may exchange him for Barea and give something extra. Barea at least could serve in a backup role on PG (better as 3rd stringer, but whatever). But I really want to stretch that most important part: Nikola Mirotic must be willing to play for the Timberswolves for a reasonable price (MLE-like money). The incentives for him would be the playing time the Timberwolves can offer as well as a starting PG speaking his (2nd) language and knows the european style of basketball, and the Timberwolves have also Pekovic under contract, a Montenegrin just like Mirotic. So, they might be a better chance for that, than we might believe ...

The only other team maybe willing to throw in a future asset similar to Mirotic: The Cavaliers and the #1 overall pick. If the Cavaliers are taking a shot at that with Thompson+Bennett+Gee+#1 for Love, I can't see any team beating that. They would have Varejao-Love-Deng-Waiters-Irving potentially next season; in the East that should be enough for HCA in the playoffs in the first round. And they will then throw the 5yr max next summer at Love ...

kuly1990 · Post #1368 » by **kuly1990** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 1:57 pm

Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

MrFortune3 · Post #1369 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:12 pm

kuly1990 wrote:Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

It was nice knowing You Jimmy. Enjoy Minnesota.

BahamaBull · Post #1370 » by **BahamaBull** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:13 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
kuly1990 wrote:Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

It was nice knowing You Jimmy. Enjoy Minnesota.

Love Jimmy but if you are the Bulls you just have to do it...

HeavyC · Post #1371 » by **HeavyC** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:18 pm

kuly1990 wrote:Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

That's a no brainer. If the Bulls can land Love and hold on to Mirotic, that's about the perfect scenario. Where does that put Chicago from a cap standpoint? Can they still make a credible offer to Melo? Chicago looks about 10 times more attractive with Love already on the roster. So much so, he may be more willing to take a few million less to sign with them.

red222 · Post #1372 » by **red222** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:19 pm

Neusch23 · Post #1373 » by **Neusch23** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:24 pm

If boozer goes in a trade for love I see no way that we are under the cap enough to sign Melo out right. Remember, we now have loves cap number. Melo would have to come here in a sign and trade.

Mech Engineer · Post #1374 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:27 pm

HeavyC wrote:
kuly1990 wrote:Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

That's a no brainer. If the Bulls can land Love and hold on to Mirotic, that's about the perfect scenario. Where does that put Chicago from a cap standpoint? Can they still make a credible offer to Melo? Chicago looks about 10 times more attractive with Love already on the roster. So much so, he may be more willing to take a few million less to sign with them.

Love and Mirotic have kind of similar games and play the same position. Taj and Love complement each other well.
If they want to keep Mirotic for Melo, that's a different way of looking at it or keeping Mirotic for a future trade to get a wing player.

But, I doubt Minnesota gives up Love without getting Mirotic(unless he says he is not going to Minneapolis).

HeavyC · Post #1375 » by **HeavyC** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:27 pm

Neusch23 wrote:If boozer goes in a trade for love I see no way that we are under the cap enough to sign Melo out right. Remember, we now have loves cap number. Melo would have to come here in a sign and trade.

Makes sense. Suppose it would be best to acquire Love without using Boozer. Then you have the threat of amnestying him to make an outright offer for Melo. That might force them into a sign and trade.

dice · Post #1376 » by **dice** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:29 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:If Minny wants NBA ready players, contributors to a team looking to the playoffs then Taj/Butler might be more what they are interested in. Add those two with some draft picks and Mirotic and maybe from Minny's perspective that is the better deal.

Hell - maybe Minny has enough of a hard-on for Mirotic that he trumps any prospect Boston could send their way.

Might be we are also more willing to take back a contract (like Kevin Martins).

Taj / Mirotic / #16 / #19 / 2015 #1 for Love / Martin

no thanks

a decent deal for love will be hard to get due to bidding war. and looks like the FO is looking to dump the boozer contract, which would require more sweetner, when we can just amnesty booz. bad sign

boundbymusic · Post #1377 » by **boundbymusic** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:31 pm

Neusch23 wrote:If boozer goes in a trade for love I see no way that we are under the cap enough to sign Melo out right. Remember, we now have loves cap number. Melo would have to come here in a sign and trade.

Not outright but you could sign and trade.

Butler, Boozer and picks to MN
Taj, Dunleavy, Snell, Brewer and picks to NY

Works on the trade machine.

BahamaBull · Post #1378 » by **BahamaBull** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:34 pm

ZUDAMAGIC wrote:Dont want love, getting him would demolish our squad, id much rather have melo

Raptors fan?

Repeat 3-peat · Post #1379 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:40 pm

dingdeng wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
kuly1990 wrote:Chicago Bulls maybe willing to offer a combination of Jimmy Butler/Taj Gibson/Carlos Boozer/Picks for Kevin Love. (Source: Jackie MacMullan)

no thanks, Boozer, Mirotic, and picks i would be ok with, but first try to go at Melo, Melo solves two things for us, second star, and second creator! Love solves one, and he is worse than Melo at that one! I hope this is not true!

It was nice knowing You Jimmy. Enjoy Minnesota.

Love Jimmy but if you are the Bulls you just have to do it...

Then next year when his contract is up he can return :lol:

Pnjguy · Post #1380 » by **Pnjguy** » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:44 pm

I like the play here. I think it will be easier to get Melo here with Love on the team. I just believe a S&T for Carmelo is a foregone conclusion because the Knicks are 'desperately' looking to get in the first round. If Melo decides to leave, Phil is going to let him go just like he let Kerr go, and he'll get the picks he wants back.

Love for Taj, Mirotic, Butler, $3 mill in unguarantees, a 2015 first round pick.

Melo for Boozer, Snell, $1 mill in unguarantees, #16, #19, future second round picks, right to swap with Cleveland

Someones got to get Love and Melo in a room.

Can Melo opt in before the draft with the understanding that he's going to be traded to the Bulls before the draft, get traded then sign an extension with the Bulls??