2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[TheSuzerain]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

[PaKii94]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

Just curious, do you have similar thoughts on ball? Because you can make the same argument against him

[TheSuzerain]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

Just curious, do you have similar thoughts on ball? Because you can make the same argument against him

Ball actually does have serious talent as a ball handler/passer. So he can at least contribute in that way as a guy given a lot of the ball.

But he also needs to have an off the dribble 3-ball to really make it work in that role which is not out of the question but is obviously shaky ground.

I get why he's appealing but I wouldn't call myself a believer.

[gobullschi]

What about drafting Anthony Edwards and playing him as a wing? He has plenty of size (6’5” - 6’10 wingspan - 225 lbs).

[drosereturn]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

Just curious, do you have similar thoughts on ball? Because you can make the same argument against him

Balls game is entirely different from Reddish and doesnt need an effective 3 unlike Reddish where hes useless if he doesnt shoot close to 40% on 3s bc he is such a horrible finisher and doenst have any moves.
If you look at Balls stats and the way he plays, you will understand he wont be a total bust like Lonzo given their fundamentals and intangibles. Reddish and White are the typical one dimensionals out of the league if not their final stretch of the games.

[Dez]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

Just curious, do you have similar thoughts on ball? Because you can make the same argument against him

Balls game is entirely different from Reddish and doesnt need an effective 3 unlike Reddish where hes useless if he doesnt shoot close to 40% on 3s bc he is such a horrible finisher and doenst have any moves.
If you look at Balls stats and the way he plays, you will understand he wont be a total bust like Lonzo given their fundamentals and intangibles. Reddish and White are the typical one dimensionals out of the league if not their final stretch of the games.

Lonzo at least has multiple skills.

- Pass
- Defend
- Improving shot

LaMelo has one skill.
- Pass

I snipped the out-of-left-field insults. Take it down a couple notches. ~Ashy

[The Chosen one]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

Just curious, do you have similar thoughts on ball? Because you can make the same argument against him

Balls game is entirely different from Reddish and doesnt need an effective 3 unlike Reddish where hes useless if he doesnt shoot close to 40% on 3s bc he is such a horrible finisher and doenst have any moves.
If you look at Balls stats and the way he plays, you will understand he wont be a total bust like Lonzo given their fundamentals and intangibles. Reddish and White are the typical one dimensionals out of the league if not their final stretch of the games.

What?

[PlayerUp]

What about drafting Anthony Edwards and playing him as a wing? He has plenty of size (6’5” - 6’10 wingspan - 225 lbs).

If he drops to #4, you definitely go Edwards.

[SfBull]

Trade for #1 pick?
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/10/12/5-teams-best-positioned-to-trade-for-no-1-pick-in-2020-draft/2/
I don't believe it .This draft is weak , it's better to keep #4 or trade down.

[cjbulls]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

He’s already showing the potential you claimed he never had, justifying his draft position.

Don’t carry forward the hate, just come along for the ride and see what happens.

[cjbulls]

What about drafting Anthony Edwards and playing him as a wing? He has plenty of size (6’5” - 6’10 wingspan - 225 lbs).

If he drops to #4, you definitely go Edwards.

It’s funny because if he drops to 4, I’d start getting worried about what the other 3 teams uncovered that led them to pass on him.

I know at least one scouting report was published that was pretty harsh on his b-ball iq and interest in winning basketball.

[TheSuzerain]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

He’s already showing the potential you claimed he never had, justifying his draft position.

Don’t carry forward the hate, just come along for the ride and see what happens.

He really is not. He had a solid 4-game March to end the year. Mostly buoyed by shooting well from 3. He still had twice as many turnovers as assists and didn't get to the line much.

This sounds exactly like the player I'm describing. He'll be a shooting threat without creation game. That's not a star.

And a player like that can easily be justified at 10th overall. Like 75% of guys drafted at #10 don't have star potential.

[PlayerUp]

What about drafting Anthony Edwards and playing him as a wing? He has plenty of size (6’5” - 6’10 wingspan - 225 lbs).

If he drops to #4, you definitely go Edwards.

It’s funny because if he drops to 4, I’d start getting worried about what the other 3 teams uncovered that led them to pass on him.

I know at least one scouting report was published that was pretty harsh on his b-ball iq and interest in winning basketball.

or they are just not smart?

Charlotte is one of the worst drafting teams in the NBA and Minnnesota is just slightly above them with endless top picks and so many busts.

[SfBull]

NBA draft net's mock gets Hayes for us with #4.
Hopefully not.I don't a player compared with Hinrich or Dinwiddie.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
We deserve more than that.

[Chicagoat]

NBA draft net's mock gets Hayes for us with #4.
Hopefully not.I don't a player compared with Hinrich or Dinwiddie.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
We deserve more than that.

I wouldn't put too much stock into NBA comparison from nbadraft. They can be pretty bad at times.



Hayes is more of a Dlo hybrid with defense. Hayes has flaws. But I believe he can be pretty good. A PG that can score on all 3 levels, a high level passer, and good defender don't come around too often. Here's an article with more of him.


https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/10/6/21422704/killian-hayes-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-offense-shooting-analysis-video

[cjbulls]

Ahhh yes the very athletic 6'8" wing with exceptional ball handling ability...

... who has not shot above 40% in the last 3 years of competitive play (1 NBA season, 1 college season, and the kicker: he shot below 40% in his last EYBL season).

Also had more turnovers than assists in his rookie year and his freshman year.

Anybody who put in their scouting report that Reddish had star potential after his year at Duke should find another hobby.

He’s already showing the potential you claimed he never had, justifying his draft position.

Don’t carry forward the hate, just come along for the ride and see what happens.

He really is not. He had a solid 4-game March to end the year. Mostly buoyed by shooting well from 3. He still had twice as many turnovers as assists and didn't get to the line much.

This sounds exactly like the player I'm describing. He'll be a shooting threat without creation game. That's not a star.

And a player like that can easily be justified at 10th overall. Like 75% of guys drafted at #10 don't have star potential.

You realize you’re making the same mistake you did before, right? Using stats to justify your position for a player whose skill exceeds his stats.

He has more talent than indicated by the numbers, so let’s see if he can grow to take advantage of that. The kid is 20 and you have his whole career planned out.

[cjbulls]

If he drops to #4, you definitely go Edwards.

It’s funny because if he drops to 4, I’d start getting worried about what the other 3 teams uncovered that led them to pass on him.

I know at least one scouting report was published that was pretty harsh on his b-ball iq and interest in winning basketball.

or they are just not smart?

Charlotte is one of the worst drafting teams in the NBA and Minnnesota is just slightly above them with endless top picks and so many busts.

That’s my whole point. It’s a guess on which is correct. Are the Warriors and TWolves not smart too?

A player with the wrong mentality can’t truly succeed in the NBA, no matter the talent. I don’t know how you figure that out.

[TheSuzerain]

He’s already showing the potential you claimed he never had, justifying his draft position.

Don’t carry forward the hate, just come along for the ride and see what happens.

He really is not. He had a solid 4-game March to end the year. Mostly buoyed by shooting well from 3. He still had twice as many turnovers as assists and didn't get to the line much.

This sounds exactly like the player I'm describing. He'll be a shooting threat without creation game. That's not a star.

And a player like that can easily be justified at 10th overall. Like 75% of guys drafted at #10 don't have star potential.

You realize you’re making the same mistake you did before, right? Using stats to justify your position for a player whose skill exceeds his stats.

He has more talent than indicated by the numbers, so let’s see if he can grow to take advantage of that. The kid is 20 and you have his whole career planned out.

Reddish has really never exhibited the skills you're claiming he has.

You can use stats and eye-test. Both say the same thing. The guy doesn't have ball skills and he's not a plus NBA athlete (other than wingspan).

It's not particularly productive on a message board to just declare your eye test is correct though.

"Reddish has talent because I seen it!"

[gobullschi]

What about drafting Anthony Edwards and playing him as a wing? He has plenty of size (6’5” - 6’10 wingspan - 225 lbs).

If he drops to #4, you definitely go Edwards.

It’s funny because if he drops to 4, I’d start getting worried about what the other 3 teams uncovered that led them to pass on him.

I know at least one scouting report was published that was pretty harsh on his b-ball iq and interest in winning basketball.

I think you highlighted the biggest concern of his as a player. His basketball IQ is way behind the other top prospects in this draft. His shot selection, off ball movement, off ball defense, & passing are all obvious weaknesses that jump out on his tape (albeit passing is less of a concern).

However, he has all the physical tools, ball handling, shooting stroke, and creativity to become an all-star level player. Plus, he is one of the youngest prospects in the draft. The combination of strength and explosiveness makes him extremely difficult to stop at the rim and was able to get to the free throw line at a decent rate (5.3FTA) and convert on over 77% of them.

[cjbulls]

He really is not. He had a solid 4-game March to end the year. Mostly buoyed by shooting well from 3. He still had twice as many turnovers as assists and didn't get to the line much.

This sounds exactly like the player I'm describing. He'll be a shooting threat without creation game. That's not a star.

And a player like that can easily be justified at 10th overall. Like 75% of guys drafted at #10 don't have star potential.

You realize you’re making the same mistake you did before, right? Using stats to justify your position for a player whose skill exceeds his stats.

He has more talent than indicated by the numbers, so let’s see if he can grow to take advantage of that. The kid is 20 and you have his whole career planned out.

Reddish has really never exhibited the skills you're claiming he has.

You can use stats and eye-test. Both say the same thing. The guy doesn't have ball skills and he's not a plus NBA athlete (other than wingspan).

It's not particularly productive on a message board to just declare your eye test is correct though.

"Reddish has talent because I seen it!"

Except its better than posting stats as the end-all be-all, especially those you don’t understand well which certain posters (hint hint) have been known to toss about . I don’t need to justify my eye test, the league justified it for me via his draft stock. He was ranged from 5-10 or higher all year and went tenth despite a weak statistical profile.