The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[cjbulls]

Even those names. The teams that passed on Obi had good enough reasons to, whether or not they pan out. Draftniks weren’t caught up on Patrick Williams bullet rise at the time of the draft. Given another week or 2, and it would have been a different story as far as stock among the fan base goes.

So are you absolving AK of all responsibility, even if PW ends up a bench player or whatever?

[fleet]

Even those names. The teams that passed on Obi had good enough reasons to, whether or not they pan out. Draftniks weren’t caught up on Patrick Williams bullet rise at the time of the draft. Given another week or 2, and it would have been a different story as far as stock among the fan base goes.

So are you absolving AK of all responsibility, even if PW ends up a bench player or whatever?

A team President (excuse me VP whatever) is completely responsible for his draft selections. I wouldn’t fault the thought process though. I was behind Ryan Pace’s Trubisky trade up thought process. Now I want him fired because he is responsible for choosing the right players at the end of the day.

[fleet]

Stephen Noh linked this scouting report on twitter a few days ago. Not sure if it's been posted already, but it's got a crazy amount of depth and some really good stuff regarding body composition and his poor lateral movement:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/130v50aO4riHKGBQVZ1sRxHOWsSVKjCkjGdW6zaPXYCc/edit#heading=h.wr3n0si6yasf

There fore he might have already taken of the problem. He had 8 months to get taken care of. He is a tireless worker allegedly. He might have already resolved the problem.

Interestingly I have been working on this myself. I’m not a spring chicken anymore and my hips having been neglected for decades really need strengthening. I found that it caused my knee issues and honestly in my case it stems back from an issue I had at 2. Now I have been using my legs wrong for 40 some years but it is fixable, I assume a 19 year old with a NBA training staff can counter that. I have over developed quads that just get strong so easily (same with my shoulders) and because they are strong they pull the other muscles out of balance. Totally correctable but when you are young and body building you over exaggerate your easy growth muscles and set up lots of chances for injury and overall less efficient performance.

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

[Michael Jackson]

There fore he might have already taken of the problem. He had 8 months to get taken care of. He is a tireless worker allegedly. He might have already resolved the problem.

Interestingly I have been working on this myself. I’m not a spring chicken anymore and my hips having been neglected for decades really need strengthening. I found that it caused my knee issues and honestly in my case it stems back from an issue I had at 2. Now I have been using my legs wrong for 40 some years but it is fixable, I assume a 19 year old with a NBA training staff can counter that. I have over developed quads that just get strong so easily (same with my shoulders) and because they are strong they pull the other muscles out of balance. Totally correctable but when you are young and body building you over exaggerate your easy growth muscles and set up lots of chances for injury and overall less efficient performance.

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Through Yoga I saved my body and that is finding balance. I took up Golf seriously this year and that balance of your body is so important.

I could shoulder press an ungodly amount of weight, I could throw 15% more over my head than my flat bench, and about 30% more than a decline (funny I would never attempt any of these exercises anymore) and I tore up my rotator cuffs. It wasn’t even bad form it was just playing to strengths, as my form was really solid still I was cognizant of that. I actually thought I was doing things right.

This kid will get trained up and if he listens he will be just fine. Big reason why LaVine is the player he is and guys like Lebron


Side note MacBull haven’t seen this active in a few years good to see you posting more.

[StunnerKO]

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[bledredwine]

Interestingly I have been working on this myself. I’m not a spring chicken anymore and my hips having been neglected for decades really need strengthening. I found that it caused my knee issues and honestly in my case it stems back from an issue I had at 2. Now I have been using my legs wrong for 40 some years but it is fixable, I assume a 19 year old with a NBA training staff can counter that. I have over developed quads that just get strong so easily (same with my shoulders) and because they are strong they pull the other muscles out of balance. Totally correctable but when you are young and body building you over exaggerate your easy growth muscles and set up lots of chances for injury and overall less efficient performance.

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Through Yoga I saved my body and that is finding balance. I took up Golf seriously this year and that balance of your body is so important.

I could shoulder press an ungodly amount of weight, I could throw 15% more over my head than my flat bench, and about 30% more than a decline (funny I would never attempt any of these exercises anymore) and I tore up my rotator cuffs. It wasn’t even bad form it was just playing to strengths, as my form was really solid still I was cognizant of that. I actually thought I was doing things right.

This kid will get trained up and if he listens he will be just fine. Big reason why LaVine is the player he is and guys like Lebron


Side note MacBull haven’t seen this active in a few years good to see you posting more.

I’m in the same boat as you. I’ve been lifting really heavy and my back has been hurting like heck.

Lately, I’ve been doing more yoga and lying on a chiropractor mat. It’s helped a lot.

I’ve got to be careful, being a pianist and all. Is the shoulder press high risk? I do it constantly and pretty damned heavy. I don’t want the same thing to happen that has happened to my lower back through years of deadlifts. I guess we’re getting old

[Michael Jackson]

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Through Yoga I saved my body and that is finding balance. I took up Golf seriously this year and that balance of your body is so important.

I could shoulder press an ungodly amount of weight, I could throw 15% more over my head than my flat bench, and about 30% more than a decline (funny I would never attempt any of these exercises anymore) and I tore up my rotator cuffs. It wasn’t even bad form it was just playing to strengths, as my form was really solid still I was cognizant of that. I actually thought I was doing things right.

This kid will get trained up and if he listens he will be just fine. Big reason why LaVine is the player he is and guys like Lebron


Side note MacBull haven’t seen this active in a few years good to see you posting more.

I’m in the same boat as you. I’ve been lifting really heavy and my back has been hurting like heck.

Lately, I’ve been doing more yoga and lying on a chiropractor mat. It’s helped a lot.

I’ve got to be careful, being a pianist and all. Is the shoulder press high risk? I do it constantly and pretty damned heavy. I don’t want the same thing to happen that has happened to my lower back through years of deadlifts. I guess we’re getting old

Shoulder press isn’t that high risk with good form, actually usually better than say the flat bench. My issue was I was over developed in my shoulders and it was pulling the shoulder joint up. I just don’t lift much with a barbell anymore except for deadlifts and squats but even those I try with kettlebells often.

[ChettheJet]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this before but back in the Dick Motta era in the 60's and 70's the GM of the Bulls was named

Pat Williams.

He went on to the 76ers, Hawks and founded the Orlando Magic.

[fleet]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this before but back in the Dick Motta era in the 60's and 70's the GM of the Bulls was named

Pat Williams.

He went on to the 76ers, Hawks and founded the Orlando Magic.

A wonderful human being.

[VolumePoster]

There fore he might have already taken of the problem. He had 8 months to get taken care of. He is a tireless worker allegedly. He might have already resolved the problem.

Interestingly I have been working on this myself. I’m not a spring chicken anymore and my hips having been neglected for decades really need strengthening. I found that it caused my knee issues and honestly in my case it stems back from an issue I had at 2. Now I have been using my legs wrong for 40 some years but it is fixable, I assume a 19 year old with a NBA training staff can counter that. I have over developed quads that just get strong so easily (same with my shoulders) and because they are strong they pull the other muscles out of balance. Totally correctable but when you are young and body building you over exaggerate your easy growth muscles and set up lots of chances for injury and overall less efficient performance.

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Hey Fleet I have the same issue. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction in terms of correction? Also quad dominant 40 year old runner. I keep getting hurt. Thx.

[fleet]

Interestingly I have been working on this myself. I’m not a spring chicken anymore and my hips having been neglected for decades really need strengthening. I found that it caused my knee issues and honestly in my case it stems back from an issue I had at 2. Now I have been using my legs wrong for 40 some years but it is fixable, I assume a 19 year old with a NBA training staff can counter that. I have over developed quads that just get strong so easily (same with my shoulders) and because they are strong they pull the other muscles out of balance. Totally correctable but when you are young and body building you over exaggerate your easy growth muscles and set up lots of chances for injury and overall less efficient performance.

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Hey Fleet I have the same issue. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction in terms of correction? Also quad dominant 40 year old runner. I keep getting hurt. Thx.

What a topic this is. And a process that take years to fully understand and solve if you ever fully understand and solve it. One thing to study, another thing to be able to feel while running. Correct running form, avoiding injury, and specifically a question about quad dominance. Basically, correct running form minimizes injury, and then I view quad dominance as an advanced subject to solve after you've begun to address basic good running form. So I assume you've been studying and basically executing proper form, but still have a quad dominance issue. So we won't talk about the basics, just the quad dominance. You are quad dominant because your footstrike timing is off, your cadence is not fast enough, the footstrike is taking place in front of your hips. You are in the saddle too, hips back... not enough forward lean. Forward lean btw is leaning at the ankles, not the hips. I will say that the more core strength and engagement you have, the more you will be able to run with proper form. Running with proper form takes strength. It's not easy. You need strength training to fix this. But it's the only way to get faster, fixing your form. So you will slow down first to speed up and fix your quad dominance. Anyway, the things I key on is the timing (quads and hamstrings almost engage simultaneously, not one first, the other second), cadence (more steps per minute), and footstrike location (under the pelvis, not in front. Get out of the saddle (move your hips forward). Once that is all sorted out, concentrate on on that lower thigh engaging right above the knee, and then pull your leg back with the upper thigh right below your hips, then muscle engament on down the leg. It's very subtle. The other thing I do to remind myself of the right position for my hips to be in is butt kicks (look it up). But try and reach back with your hands to meet your feet instead of kicking your butt. The biggest thing to think about for fixing quad dominance imo is not to think about hamstring engagement as much as you think about timing of footstrike, position under the hips, and quick strong pull with the glutes engaged. Those are my key thoughts. How it all looks and feels takes years to sort out, and you are never cured if you have a stride flaw. Only temporarily fixed with constant maintanance. I would be lost without YouTube. There are so many tips out there. Where I first began fixing my stride was with Sage Canaday. He is advanced and technical. Sage was and is also quad dominant and he has a video on that, which I havent been able to find. IIRC he became stronger in his thighs on up through his abs. But Nate Helming is just a good basic coach that covers running for regular slow guys like myself .

https://www.youtube.com/user/Vo2maxProductions/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRunExperience/videos

Watch on YouTube

[coldfish]

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Hey Fleet I have the same issue. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction in terms of correction? Also quad dominant 40 year old runner. I keep getting hurt. Thx.

What a topic this is. And a process that take years to fully understand and solve if you ever fully understand and solve it. One thing to study, another thing to be able to feel while running. Correct running form, avoiding injury, and specifically a question about quad dominance. Basically, correct running form minimizes injury, and then I view quad dominance as an advanced subject to solve after you've begun to address basic good running form. So I assume you've been studying and basically executing proper form, but still have a quad dominance issue. So we won't talk about the basics, just the quad dominance. You are quad dominant because your footstrike timing is off, your cadence is not fast enough, the footstrike is taking place in front of your hips. You are in the saddle too, hips back... not enough forward lean. Forward lean btw is leaning at the ankles, not the hips. I will say that the more core strength and engagement you have, the more you will be able to run with proper form. Running with proper form takes strength. It's not easy. You need strength training to fix this. But it's the only way to get faster, fixing your form. So you will slow down first to speed up and fix your quad dominance. Anyway, the things I key on is the timing (quads and hamstrings almost engage simultaneously, not one first, the other second), cadence (more steps per minute), and footstrike location (under the pelvis, not in front. Get out of the saddle (move your hips forward). Once that is all sorted out, concentrate on on that lower thigh engaging right above the knee, and then pull your leg back with the upper thigh right below your hips, then muscle engament on down the leg. It's very subtle. The other thing I do to remind myself of the right position for my hips to be in is butt kicks (look it up). But try and reach back with your hands to meet your feet instead of kicking your butt. The biggest thing to think about for fixing quad dominance imo is not to think about hamstring engagement as much as you think about timing of footstrike, position under the hips, and quick strong pull with the glutes engaged. Those are my key thoughts. How it all looks and feels takes years to sort out, and you are never cured if you have a stride flaw. Only temporarily fixed with constant maintanance. I would be lost without YouTube. There are so many tips out there. Where I first began fixing my stride was with Sage Canaday. He is advanced and technical. Sage was and is also quad dominant and he has a video on that, which I havent been able to find. IIRC he became stronger in his thighs on up through his abs. But Nate Helming is just a good basic coach that covers running for regular slow guys like myself .

https://www.youtube.com/user/Vo2maxProductions/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRunExperience/videos

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for all the info!!!

I'm a long term runner who is slow as molasses. When I run, the outside of my hips hurt and then when I push it, it goes to my lower back. I didn't even know most of this could be an issue, let alone how to fix it. I'm not even sure where to start but I have about 6 months until my next half so I have time to sort it out.

[fleet]

Running soreness and injury always comes down to form. FWIW, years ago I had hip soreness myself on the left side. Right about that time, I began buying Newtons. Most people hate them, but some fall in love. To use Newtons the way they were designed, you become familiar with "natural running". The best way to think of it is the way you run while barefoot, that is natural running. You're up on your forefoot, you're striking the ground with your foot under your hips, not in front. Faster cadence. If you are a heal striker (bet thats your problem, I was) younger, stronger runners it might take 6 months to transition. Older runners maybe years. It boils down to shock absorption. Heal striking sends a lot of violence up your leg into your knees and hips. Midfoot-forefoot striking directly under your pelvis disipates the energy into your muscles better to soften the blow. That's how I think I know that it was my heal striking causing my hip pain. The Newtons (if you use them correctly) promote natural running. And thats what I tried to do. I haven't had knee or any kinds of joint pain in years, but it was a slow transition, and my calves always were sore. My injuries are soft tissue injuries lately. Plus, breaking down your running form brings all new muscle groups into play you have never used, and you go through various new problems and pains. Eventually, natural running is gonna cure you.

[coldfish]

Running soreness and injury always comes down to form. FWIW, years ago I had hip soreness myself on the left side. Right about that time, I began buying Newtons. Most people hate them, but some fall in love. To use Newtons the way they were designed, you become familiar with "natural running". The best way to think of it is the way you run while barefoot, that is natural running. You're up on your forefoot, you're striking the ground with your foot under your hips, not in front. Faster cadence. If you are a heal striker (bet thats your problem, I was) younger, stronger runners it might take 6 months to transition. Older runners maybe years. It boils down to shock absorption. Heal striking sends a lot of violence up your leg into your knees and hips. Midfoot-forefoot striking directly under your pelvis disipates the energy into your muscles better to soften the blow. That's how I think I know that it was my heal striking causing my hip pain. The Newtons (if you use them correctly) promote natural running. And thats what I tried to do. I haven't had knee or any kinds of joint pain in years, but it was a slow transition, and my calves always were sore. My injuries are soft tissue injuries lately. Plus, breaking down your running form brings all new muscle groups into play you have never used, and you go through various new problems and pains. Eventually, natural running is gonna cure you.

I'm a terrible heel striker, probably have bad hip position, don't use my calves, etc.

Fixing this is going to be really difficult but I suspect if I don't I'm going to have serious problems later on.

[fleet]

It's really difficult and a long slog, but worth doing.

Best thing to remember is that it is possible. I know I was as bad a heal striker as you are, nobody could be worse.

[League Circles]

I may be wrong but it may help heel strikers to go barefoot walking around the house all the time. I was a heelstriker growing up, when i always worse shoes inside and out all day. As an adult I've always gone barefoot indoors and it has trained me to put my weight mostly on my forefoot instead.

[VolumePoster]

Right? Without proper guidance as a young man, you wouldn’t understand because you didnt need to with all that natural strength allowing for overcompensation.

I am completely quad dominant. My entire life I have been running and walking inefficiently, and I never thought to explore this until I became more competitive as a runner. Wondering why I could not get any faster as an older runner I explored my core weakness, lack of abs engagement. Then found out I had to use my hamstrings and glutes in order to do that. Who knew?

His flexibility and efficiency is going to improve. He is so strong, prob has bad habits.

Hey Fleet I have the same issue. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction in terms of correction? Also quad dominant 40 year old runner. I keep getting hurt. Thx.

What a topic this is. And a process that take years to fully understand and solve if you ever fully understand and solve it. One thing to study, another thing to be able to feel while running. Correct running form, avoiding injury, and specifically a question about quad dominance. Basically, correct running form minimizes injury, and then I view quad dominance as an advanced subject to solve after you've begun to address basic good running form. So I assume you've been studying and basically executing proper form, but still have a quad dominance issue. So we won't talk about the basics, just the quad dominance. You are quad dominant because your footstrike timing is off, your cadence is not fast enough, the footstrike is taking place in front of your hips. You are in the saddle too, hips back... not enough forward lean. Forward lean btw is leaning at the ankles, not the hips. I will say that the more core strength and engagement you have, the more you will be able to run with proper form. Running with proper form takes strength. It's not easy. You need strength training to fix this. But it's the only way to get faster, fixing your form. So you will slow down first to speed up and fix your quad dominance. Anyway, the things I key on is the timing (quads and hamstrings almost engage simultaneously, not one first, the other second), cadence (more steps per minute), and footstrike location (under the pelvis, not in front. Get out of the saddle (move your hips forward). Once that is all sorted out, concentrate on on that lower thigh engaging right above the knee, and then pull your leg back with the upper thigh right below your hips, then muscle engament on down the leg. It's very subtle. The other thing I do to remind myself of the right position for my hips to be in is butt kicks (look it up). But try and reach back with your hands to meet your feet instead of kicking your butt. The biggest thing to think about for fixing quad dominance imo is not to think about hamstring engagement as much as you think about timing of footstrike, position under the hips, and quick strong pull with the glutes engaged. Those are my key thoughts. How it all looks and feels takes years to sort out, and you are never cured if you have a stride flaw. Only temporarily fixed with constant maintanance. I would be lost without YouTube. There are so many tips out there. Where I first began fixing my stride was with Sage Canaday. He is advanced and technical. Sage was and is also quad dominant and he has a video on that, which I havent been able to find. IIRC he became stronger in his thighs on up through his abs. But Nate Helming is just a good basic coach that covers running for regular slow guys like myself .

https://www.youtube.com/user/Vo2maxProductions/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRunExperience/videos

Watch on YouTube

Thanks Fleet! Really great in depth answer. Can't wait to try some of this out. Thank you your time.

[Michael Jackson]

Not only have we corrected Patrick Williams problems we have improved the running of this whole forum. RealGM for the win.

[TheFinishSniper]

Even those names. The teams that passed on Obi had good enough reasons to, whether or not they pan out. Draftniks weren’t caught up on Patrick Williams bullet rise at the time of the draft. Given another week or 2, and it would have been a different story as far as stock among the fan base goes.

So are you absolving AK of all responsibility, even if PW ends up a bench player or whatever?

A team President (excuse me VP whatever) is completely responsible for his draft selections. I wouldn’t fault the thought process though. I was behind Ryan Pace’s Trubisky trade up thought process. Now I want him fired because he is responsible for choosing the right players at the end of the day.

I mean Trubisky was drafted in draft which likely produced next GOAT QB. And Bears not just missed a GOAT QB but they targeted a QB in the draft, traded up and still missed taking right one. I mean that's when it's all put together it's inexusable. It's sound clownish and ridiculous. That's like trading up in 1984 draft and still taking Bowie over Jordan. And to me that kind of GM should have being fired moment Mahomes put good NFL season without even being next GOAT.

AK deserves benefit of the doubt, but to me if he missed taking down the line legit player which becomes superstar and PW is on path to be bench player that's all on him. And deserves fully to be critized and even questioned does he deserves keeping a job. That's how Vlade got fired.

[PaKii94]

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