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Bears 2023 thread V

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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1361 » by dice » Sun Dec 3, 2023 8:59 pm

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:FSU about to get massively screwed out of the playoff. Too bad. Elite defense, lots of NFL players on that side of the ball IMO


Who would you leave out? Texas beat Alabama and only has 1 loss. Alabama just beat the 2 time champ. It's a shame someone has to go home, but FSU won't have their starting QB so I think that tips the scales in favor of the other two. I think AL is in for sure and it's between TX and FSU.


Clearly Alabama. Texas beat Alabama in Alabama, same record, both conf champs.

and texas played better over the course of the season as well. 21.4 SRS vs. 17.9 for 'bama. better SOS too

Alabama looked like garbage 7 days ago and needed a miracle to be in the discussion.
and beat georgia yesterday. the "miracle" was a perfectly executed play on a great throw and catch

FSU barely beat a bad BC team earlier in the season...while at full strength. outgained by over 100 yards. they beat clemson by sending the game to OT w/ a 56 yard fumble return with 31 seconds left. certainly more of a miracle scenario than alabama vs. auburn. finally, auburn is better than florida and FSU trailed florida going into the 4th quarter a week ago

A power 5 undefeated school has never been left out of the CFP until today. ESPNs own predictors gave them a 97% chance of getting in, but the money grubbing humans are the ones to decide.

the committee does not make money by putting 'bama in over FSU. strengths of schedule:

4.92 bama (12-1)
1.93 FSU (13-0)
-5.65 liberty (13-0)

nobody is arguing that liberty should be anywhere close to the top 4, right? because they trail 'bama in SOS by over 10 points. FSU only trails by 3 points, so is that close enough? tough call. it basically means that FSU had a 3 point advantage going into each game that 'bama did not. if BC had been 3 points tougher FSU would have theoretically lost that game. same w/ the clemson game. which would have left FSU at 11-2

given that the committee is also permitted to consider major injuries, it's pretty clear to me that factor justifies FSU being left out. i don't particularly like that criteria, but it's there. and it wasn't put in for TV financial purposes

and by the way, i'm pretty sure that SMU has a bigger fanbase than liberty...yet the committee chose liberty to play oregon on new year's. although i guess you could argue that the cinderella story makes for better viewing...at least until some point during the 1st quarter

if FSU beats georgia on jan. 1 and 'bama loses to michigan, FSU will be entitled to bitch until the end of time. still won't mean the committee was wrong
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1362 » by HoopsterJones » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:39 pm

Man the Titans and Jets had a chance to win their games.

Pats lost 0-6 to the Chargers.

Hopefully the Cardinals hold onto their 14 point lead against Mitch and the Steelers.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1363 » by patryk7754 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:43 pm

man the patriots offense is horrible.....

1st overall pick to the Patriots for 2nd overall, 2nd rounder, 2025 1st and Bill?
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1364 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:49 pm

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Yeah Daniels is gonna rise. His only weakness is his frame, which is easily correctable. He can make all the throws, and is much faster than people realize.

My money is on the rams taking him


Tampa, Atlanta, and Las Vegas are other spots too.

I’d love to see what McVay could do with a guy like Daniels.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1365 » by fleet » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:52 pm

Cardinals are gonna make it probable we get a top 2 pick. That’s all we need really. Tampa Bay has to win though to close the deal
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1366 » by dice » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:55 pm

patryk7754 wrote:man the patriots offense is horrible.....

1st overall pick to the Patriots for 2nd overall, 2nd rounder, 2025 1st and Bill?

pats might well land #1 all on their own

don't want belichick at this stage

need bucs and cards to salvage what has been a bad week for bears draft position
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1367 » by dice » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:56 pm

fleet wrote:Cardinals are gonna make it probable we get a top 2 pick. That’s all we need really. Tampa Bay has to win though to close the deal

you would lock in #2 right now if you could? #1 gives us big trade options, including trading down to #2 potentially
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1368 » by Kurt Heimlich » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:03 pm

patryk7754 wrote:man the patriots offense is horrible.....

1st overall pick to the Patriots for 2nd overall, 2nd rounder, 2025 1st and Bill?


Been saying it for a while, but the Patriots have looked like the biggest bums in the league by a good margin and this week further cements that. They're our #1 worry for that panthers pick.

That said, who would want 72yo Brady'less Belichick at this point? After this season? After what we've seen in his post Brady tenure? Give us another 4th rounder instead of ole Bill and let Warren do his search for the next promising HC.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1369 » by Dresden » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:10 pm

49'ers are getting manhandled by the Eagles so far.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1370 » by fleet » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:10 pm

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fleet wrote:Cardinals are gonna make it probable we get a top 2 pick. That’s all we need really. Tampa Bay has to win though to close the deal

you would lock in #2 right now if you could? #1 gives us big trade options, including trading down to #2 potentially

I would. I am taking the win. Other scenarios are nice, but not worth the risk of being out of quarterback range. That is our bottom line, to come away with the quarterback of the future. And we doesn’t need it to be a drafted quarterback. It could still be Fields. But Fields is the bigger question to worry about covering for than locking in the first pick. I lock in the top 2 and I am covered however it goes. I can still get MHJ to boot.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1371 » by HearshotKDS » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:14 pm

Cards game probably over, CAR now has a 2.5 game "lead" over them.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1372 » by jordanwilliams6 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:14 pm

We’re pretty much guaranteed a top 2 pick now. I’m still on board with trying to win as many games as possible to determine whether the current squad (in addition to all the assets we have) can win games. It would be nice to have two top 4 picks but even nicer to have a top 2 pick and squad that’s shown it can win as is.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1373 » by fleet » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:16 pm

The Cardinals Steelers game shows the overwhelming advantage a quarterback gives you. As does Stroud. You don’t try to build up a team before the quarterback arrives on purpose. When the quarterback choice is in front of your face, grab him all day long no matter what. The opportunity is too rare..
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1374 » by Dresden » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:17 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:FSU about to get massively screwed out of the playoff. Too bad. Elite defense, lots of NFL players on that side of the ball IMO


Who would you leave out? Texas beat Alabama and only has 1 loss. Alabama just beat the 2 time champ. It's a shame someone has to go home, but FSU won't have their starting QB so I think that tips the scales in favor of the other two. I think AL is in for sure and it's between TX and FSU.


Clearly Alabama. Texas beat Alabama in Alabama, same record, both conf champs. There is no argument. Alabama looked like garbage 7 days ago and needed a miracle to be in the discussion.

A power 5 undefeated school has never been left out of the CFP until today. ESPNs own predictors gave them a 97% chance of getting in, but the money grubbing humans are the ones to decide.


AL just beat the #1 team in the country, who hadn't lost a game in 3 years. There's no way you could leave them out. And then it would be very hard to leave TX out since they beat Bama. And to top it off, FSU lost their star QB, which weakens them considerably, making them pretty clearly the weakest of the 5 teams. It sucks for them, but it would suck for any of those teams to be left out.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1375 » by Dresden » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:19 pm

And just like that, SF comes back and takes the lead.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1376 » by Dresden » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:20 pm

fleet wrote:The Cardinals Steelers game shows the overwhelming advantage a quarterback gives you. As does Stroud. You don’t try to build up a team before the quarterback arrives on purpose. When the quarterback choice is in front of your face, grab him all day long no matter what. The opportunity is too rare.


Yep, and if you have the choice, you take the best QB available, not the 2nd or 3rd choice.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1377 » by Dresden » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:22 pm

I mean, I can see the advantage of having SOME of the pieces in place before you get the QB. Like a good line and good WR's. But the chance to take a great QB comes along so rarely, and it's such a dicey proposition, you have to take that swing at it every chance you get.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1378 » by Kurt Heimlich » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:22 pm

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Who would you leave out? Texas beat Alabama and only has 1 loss. Alabama just beat the 2 time champ. It's a shame someone has to go home, but FSU won't have their starting QB so I think that tips the scales in favor of the other two. I think AL is in for sure and it's between TX and FSU.


Clearly Alabama. Texas beat Alabama in Alabama, same record, both conf champs. There is no argument. Alabama looked like garbage 7 days ago and needed a miracle to be in the discussion.

A power 5 undefeated school has never been left out of the CFP until today. ESPNs own predictors gave them a 97% chance of getting in, but the money grubbing humans are the ones to decide.


AL just beat the #1 team in the country, who hadn't lost a game in 3 years. There's no way you could leave them out. And then it would be very hard to leave TX out since they beat Bama. And to top it off, FSU lost their star QB, which weakens them considerably, making them pretty clearly the weakest of the 5 teams. It sucks for them, but it would suck for any of those teams to be left out.


The system is F'd, but Washington looks like the weak link here. Michigan, Texas, Bama, Georgia feels like the right call. But play a weak schedule out west and win them all and I guess that gets you in.
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1379 » by HearshotKDS » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:28 pm

LOL @ some of these grand proclamations about QBs over the Cardinals beating PIT with a backup QB. There are a ton of actual reasons to support drafting a QB with #1 overall but the 3 win Cards are a better example of what can go wrong if you do that than evidence for it. Come on now, lol
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Re: Bears 2023 thread V 

Post#1380 » by molepharmer » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:41 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:Man the Titans and Jets had a chance to win their games.

Pats lost 0-6 to the Chargers.

Hopefully the Cardinals hold onto their 14 point lead against Mitch and the Steelers.

Titans (4-8) probably won't win another game. They had significant injuries in today's game (Simmons, Henry, Stonehouse, Whyle) and don't have an easy winnable game remaining. Todays Titan game was overwhelmingly decided by special teams; never seen such complete ineptitude.
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