Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[panthermark]

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That is pretty funny. I know Nix was the 4th alternate and he turned the invite down due to conflicts and repair work.

[Dresden]

Apparently Kliff Kingsbury has declined to interview for the Saints job. The Saints and Cowboys are both taking some heat for how they've gone about filling their coaching vacancies.

[dice]

If they can’t give MVP to Saquon this season, they should change the name to reflect that it’s exclusively a QB award. End the farce.

it's not like allen and jackson didn't have amazing seasons as well

and btw, henry had a better regular season than barkley. more TDs, edge in YPC, not as good an O-line to run behind, significantly better PFF grade...

FWIW Christian McCaffrey had 2023 yards and 21 TDs last season, 49ers had the #2 offense and finished 12-5 and he only got 147 votes for MVP (Jackson won with 493 votes). McCaffery did win Offensive Player of the Year with 222 votes (Jackson finished 4th with 32 votes). That kind of tells you were voters are.

the niners were 5th in yards per drive and 11th in points per drive this season. last year they were 1st in both. significant dropoff, but not catastrophic. now...what would happen to the bills offense if josh allen was lost for the season?

the eagles were 11th in yards per drive and 8th in points per drive this season. last year they were 6th in yards and 7th in points. they were better w/ d'andre swift in there!

i'm fine w/ a great RB winning MVP if there's no great QB season as well. but let's not pretend that the RB is in actuality anywhere near as valuable as the top QB. or the top WR. or the top...well, pick almost any other position

[dice]

various late/postseason redrafts of 2024:

JD and nabers to bears
caleb to broncos
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
maye to WAS
caleb to pats
odunze 23rd

JD and alt to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
caleb to WAS
[top 10 only]

JD to bears
caleb to pats
[top 6 only]

JD and verse to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze to chiefs

[Jeffster81]

various late/postseason redrafts of 2024:

JD and nabers to bears
caleb to broncos
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
maye to WAS
caleb to pats
odunze 23rd

JD and alt to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
caleb to WAS
[top 10 only]

JD to bears
caleb to pats
[top 6 only]

JD and verse to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze to chiefs

I still take Caleb/Odunze over any of those redraft because of the upside potential of said QB/WR.

If Johnson worth his weight then the redraft articles will cease.

[fleet]

I was Maye early. The NFL world convinced me I had to move to Caleb. I have moved back to being Maye guy over Caleb at this time. Always like to err towards the big quarterback. Just his raw physical size and aggression, and having that Allen potential to run through the line, and durability potential. Maye was impressive being so young having poise to be doing what he did with nothing at all around him. There is a confidence factor to having the big quarterback under center. But Caleb still has indeterminate upside thru the roof. I am only concerned about his poise with taking too many sacks, and wild footwork producing errant throws. But should improve with good coaching and experience. Though you have to take JD at this point over everyone else.

JD
Maye
Caleb
Nix/Penix

[panthermark]

Apparently Kliff Kingsbury has declined to interview for the Saints job. The Saints and Cowboys are both taking some heat for how they've gone about filling their coaching vacancies.

I don't know as much about the Saints, but the Cowboys and Jags deserve all the smoke they are getting for how they went about things.

Bears deserve major props for not being in THAT conversation this go around.

HOLY **** does it feel good to NOT be in THAT conversation!

Is this how other non-dysfunctional front offices operate? I would not really know, I like the Bear and Bulls, and in baseball I pull for the Sox....sooooo.......yeah.....

[_txchilibowl_]

various late/postseason redrafts of 2024:

JD and nabers to bears
caleb to broncos
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
maye to WAS
caleb to pats
odunze 23rd

JD and alt to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze 15th

JD and marv to bears
caleb to WAS
[top 10 only]

JD to bears
caleb to pats
[top 6 only]

JD and verse to bears
caleb to WAS
odunze to chiefs

I still take Caleb/Odunze over any of those redraft because of the upside potential of said QB/WR.

If Johnson worth his weight then the redraft articles will cease.

I respect your opinion but you would be in the severe minority not taking JD and Nabers....

[patryk7754]

Apparently Kliff Kingsbury has declined to interview for the Saints job. The Saints and Cowboys are both taking some heat for how they've gone about filling their coaching vacancies.

I don't know as much about the Saints, but the Cowboys and Jags deserve all the smoke they are getting for how they went about things.
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Unpopular opinion, but I don't hate the Cowboys hire. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely hate it if it were the bears who did that but, Schotty is very well regarded as an offensive mind. I believe it was under Schotty as OC were Russ had his best statistical seasons. It's far from the best hire they could've made but I think keeping someone who is an expert in offense, your roster, and your organization is worth something. And if what Schotty said about himself in regards of being a great leader is accurate, then I think he has the makings of a successful HC. Now, that might not matter because Jerry and Cowboy fans have a very delusional idea of what success should look like for them.

[fleet]

Wonder if BJ likes the huge left tackle type

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he's had bigger linemen in general in detroit the past 2 years, but nobody quite that heavy - i could see a certain weight threshold being a negative for a guy who relies on linemen being mobile in the run game



(this chart is also why i think we might not go after drew dalman in free agency, since he'd be shorter and lighter than anyone johnson started in detroit, even if he's not super undersized or anything.)

I don’t know about run blocking or size, but from what I understand, the number of pressures Dalman allowed can be counted on one hand the last couple years. He sounds like a brick wall. Considering the importance of what he offers for Caleb, Dalman could actually be a priority over signing a record contract for a guard. I might prefer Dalman and drafting a couple guards high over signing Smith and trying to find a young center in the draft.

[nomorezorro]

pff has him at 10 pressures allowed last year alone in just 9 starts, so unless you have a weird number of fingers that's not quite right

(for comparison, the next best C option on the market ryan kelly had basically the same pressure rate, allowing pressures on 1.8% of snaps played, and both would be a decent upgrade from coleman shelton, who allowed pressures on 2.3% of snaps played. although that adds up to just about 5-6 extra pressures over the course of a full season)

[molepharmer]

If Bears want a speedy twitchy WR, Tez Johnson is having a very good practice session, making the CBs look silly. He very small (~165 lbs) and mocked around pick #90

He’s this years Worthy

He seems like the type of player good teams draft. Good teams that have most positions of need already filled so they can take a chance on Johnson. He has returned punts, so that would make him more appealing for the Bears.

[othawhitemeat]

I was Maye early. The NFL world convinced me I had to move to Caleb. I have moved back to being Maye guy over Caleb at this time. Always like to err towards the big quarterback. Just his raw physical size and aggression, and having that Allen potential to run through the line, and durability potential. Maye was impressive being so young having poise to be doing what he did with nothing at all around him. There is a confidence factor to having the big quarterback under center. But Caleb still has indeterminate upside thru the roof. I am only concerned about his poise with taking too many sacks, and wild footwork producing errant throws. But should improve with good coaching and experience. Though you have to take JD at this point over everyone else.

JD
Maye
Caleb
Nix/Penix

JD is a freak talent, but seems like a skinny/mobile quarterback. I fear with JD will he stay healthy - many mobile qbs with that build have not, but he also does not seem to take way too many big hits. One QB with a near build that has mainly stayed healthy like JD is Lamar Jackson.

Stating this, I think all of these qbs outside of maybe Penix (health concerns), I think the rest all have a chance to be really good. The optimism for me for Caleb if it works out, is that surely with hiring an OC guru, we at least will be spending on the Oline in resources/draft picks. According to Sportrac, we have the 4th most cap space and 2 of the 3 teams above us are not as good in terms of talent as we are. We also have 3 top 40 picks so I expect talent-wise, we will be much improved on both lines.

[1985Bear]

For the PFF fans out there, how do they explain the changing in their rankings if it is based on objective play review?

They have their mock draft going, and guys like Grey Zabel who were ranked in the 60s a few weeks ago now up to 39 and after the Senior Bowl, will continue to move.

We saw it with our Darnell Wright. Was ranked outside top 100, didn’t play any more games, flashes at the camps and they move him to first round.

So is PFF a good grading scale, or a reflection of what coaches, agents, pundits say to move a guy up the board(eye test)? Or both.


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[1985Bear]

Caleb and Bowers would be my redraft.


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[Dresden]

I was Maye early. The NFL world convinced me I had to move to Caleb. I have moved back to being Maye guy over Caleb at this time. Always like to err towards the big quarterback. Just his raw physical size and aggression, and having that Allen potential to run through the line, and durability potential. Maye was impressive being so young having poise to be doing what he did with nothing at all around him. There is a confidence factor to having the big quarterback under center. But Caleb still has indeterminate upside thru the roof. I am only concerned about his poise with taking too many sacks, and wild footwork producing errant throws. But should improve with good coaching and experience. Though you have to take JD at this point over everyone else.

JD
Maye
Caleb
Nix/Penix

JD is a freak talent, but seems like a skinny/mobile quarterback. I fear with JD will he stay healthy - many mobile qbs with that build have not, but he also does not seem to take way too many big hits. One QB with a near build that has mainly stayed healthy like JD is Lamar Jackson.

Stating this, I think all of these qbs outside of maybe Penix (health concerns), I think the rest all have a chance to be really good. The optimism for me for Caleb if it works out, is that surely with hiring an OC guru, we at least will be spending on the Oline in resources/draft picks. According to Sportrac, we have the 4th most cap space and 2 of the 3 teams above us are not as good in terms of talent as we are. We also have 3 top 40 picks so I expect talent-wise, we will be much improved on both lines.

That was my concern about JD too- he may have a spectacular 2-3 years, and then get hurt and never be the same. Like RG3. It was also a big risk taking him because he had only 1 really good year of college production. To pass on Caleb Williams, who was considered the best prospect since Andrew Luck, for Daniels would have been hugely risky. Imagine if the Bears did that, and Caleb became ROY for another team, while Daniels, behind the Bears leaky line, was getting mauled and possibly injured? We would have been hearing "only the Bears could have screwed that up".

[fleet]

pff has him at 10 pressures allowed last year alone in just 9 starts, so unless you have a weird number of fingers that's not quite right

(for comparison, the next best C option on the market ryan kelly had basically the same pressure rate, allowing pressures on 1.8% of snaps played, and both would be a decent upgrade from coleman shelton, who allowed pressures on 2.3% of snaps played. although that adds up to just about 5-6 extra pressures over the course of a full season)

One of the morning shows was saying that he only had a handful of pressures. Don’t know their source. They were talking about why he’s about to get a massive contract for a center.

[patryk7754]

It looks to me like the Lions prioritized athletes on at the tackle positions. It's just a happy coincidence that Sewell is an athletic freak and big and strong. Although Decker "weak' by any means, but he isn't the most powerful guy work his footwork does a lot of the heavy lifting in success as far as keeping in front of the guy he's blocking.

Physically, Wright is similar to Sewell so there's at least that. If we want to add more guys that fit that build, Mekahi Beckton would be a great addition. He's played very well for the eagles. He obviously had the experience at tackle but it looks like he's best suited for OG.

[patryk7754]

pff has him at 10 pressures allowed last year alone in just 9 starts, so unless you have a weird number of fingers that's not quite right

(for comparison, the next best C option on the market ryan kelly had basically the same pressure rate, allowing pressures on 1.8% of snaps played, and both would be a decent upgrade from coleman shelton, who allowed pressures on 2.3% of snaps played. although that adds up to just about 5-6 extra pressures over the course of a full season)

I think Kelly is the best available center but he's like 32 I think so that's a little old. Dalman I think would be a great addition (or at least an upgrade). His backup came in and played decent as well, so I wouldn't mind a double dip of Atlanta centers. Josh Meyers would be my third option. I believe he's the youngest our of the three. He hasn't shown to be an all-pro caliber center but he's good at everything he does and limits his mistakes. He's a relatively cheap signing without sacrificing too much talent.

The common denominator with all these centers is that they come from good schemes and I think that could translate to johnsons schemes

[panthermark]

- “The Bears, prior to (president/CEO) Kevin Warren, were really a mom-and-pop shop,” Smith said on the Bernstein & Harris Show on Tuesday afternoon. “The same people had been there for 100 years. They got comfortable in the way they did business, and it worked for them, but it was difficult for them to keep up with how things around the league were working.



“Kevin was able to kind of explain to them and show them how a building is structured, how a front office is structured, what it takes to attract top talent, both financially but more importantly otherwise.

“’If we want the best, we better act like the best,’ and present a case that shows it’s more than words – that there’s actually going to be action.

“This was the best process I’ve seen in a heck of a long time from any team in the National Football League.”



Smith gave huge props to the Warren operation even prior to the below acknowledgment of Poles’ role. Calls them ‘the new Bears”. We may look at this past season as a blessing in disguise which woke up this front office to total change as a continuation of Warren’s hire in the first place. Granted, the assistant coaches they hired were undoubtedly at the behest of BJ. We can only hope they continue to be self aware.

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Agreed. This may very well be the most impactful off-season in Bears history, more impactful than last off-season when CW was drafted.
This feels like a pivot away from the same old Bears that did everything wrongheaded and backwards.
Let us hope this is an actual start to a new day. Bears fan have been suffering from the dysfunction of Halas Hall for decades.

I'm wondering how George feels right now?
I bet just the accolades pouring about how the Bears finally got it right, is validation enough that a pivot in this new direction was the right thing to do.