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Post#1381 » by jump » Mon Jun 3, 2019 12:55 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:How many wins did we have last season? What is there really to destroy? And I ask again, is the team above better or worse than any team we’ve had over the last two seasons?

Unfortunately, a lot changed when we got knocked back 3 slots last month. If we want to get better, we either have to bank on key guys improving substantially, which could happen. Or we have to figure out ways to strategically use the assets that we do have. Either way, something’s going to have to happen right?


It's better short term but it's doing nothing overall.

Nothing changed moving back in the draft, we roll on with young players and develop them.

It's a rebuild, there's no reason to rush it.

Perhaps my proposal above isn’t necessarily THE way to go. But let’s say we stay put. Take White at 7. And use our cap space to sign a back up PG and other pieces. Where does that leave us? I understand that this is a rebuild. But don’t look now....but we are heading into year 3 of this rebuild. It’s about time to start seeing the fruits of this abomination that we’ve witnessed the last two seasons. Right? Not that we are going to magically become a contender all of a sudden. But if we end up bottom five again next year, it’d be a sign that something has gone wrong.


Go back and watch the games in February. That’s where we are headed. Solidifying the bench with a vet or two, adding draft talent and finding a starting level PG will put this team way way ahead.
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Post#1382 » by boozapalooza » Tue Jun 4, 2019 6:10 pm

Reports that Pelicans will listen to offers for AD (no surprise). Sounds like the Celtics may not be as involved as we once thought, if Kyrie is no longer there. So what is our best offer, and how does it compare with other potential destinations? Lakers, Knicks, Portland, among others should all be involved.

Wendell, Hutchison, #7, 2020 unprotected 1st?

Do we put Lavine in, knowing we don’t have a viable replacement for him? Would it need to be Lauri instead of Wendell? We have seen these 1 year rental type guys not fetch as much as one would think. Even if we are not on AD’s list, GarPax would be doing this organization a disservice by not at least extending an offer. Lets discuss what our best offer should be. Thoughts?
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Post#1383 » by NewEra21 » Tue Jun 4, 2019 6:35 pm

boozapalooza wrote:Reports that Pelicans will listen to offers for AD (no surprise). Sounds like the Celtics may not be as involved as we once thought, if Kyrie is no longer there. So what is our best offer, and how does it compare with other potential destinations? Lakers, Knicks, Portland, among others should all be involved.

Wendell, Hutchison, #7, 2020 unprotected 1st?

Do we put Lavine in, knowing we don’t have a viable replacement for him? Would it need to be Lauri instead of Wendell? We have seen these 1 year rental type guys not fetch as much as one would think. Even if we are not on AD’s list, GarPax would be doing this organization a disservice by not at least extending an offer. Lets discuss what our best offer should be. Thoughts?

The AD situation is very frustrating. Because if the Celtics wanted to, they could put an end to all this by putting in some package of Tatum and their plethora of picks and that would be that. If they truly arent going to go for it, then Bulls could put together a package that rivals the Lakers or Knicks.

People get so caught up in the idea of superstars and big markets and they think that is the only place they would want to resign. However, if recent history has taught us anything, its a team out of no where that comes away with these players. George to OKC. Leonard to TOR. Butler to PHI was kind of a surprise as well. There are pieces here that could get the job done: Lauri, Carter Jr, Lavine, #7 pick. Ultimately if yourur going to make a move like this, Lavine and #7 probably have to be involved. As the picks are always crucial in these scenarios and if ur going for AD, ur going to want to have the necessary cap room for a shot at another star, getting out of Lavine's salary does that. We'd also have to salary dump Dunn somewhere and stretch Felicio, but it could work.

With all this being said, this totally goes against the conservative approach that GarPax tend to have towards building this franchise, so I dont see it happening. AD probably becomes a Laker.
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Post#1384 » by sco » Tue Jun 4, 2019 6:44 pm

boozapalooza wrote:Reports that Pelicans will listen to offers for AD (no surprise). Sounds like the Celtics may not be as involved as we once thought, if Kyrie is no longer there. So what is our best offer, and how does it compare with other potential destinations? Lakers, Knicks, Portland, among others should all be involved.

Wendell, Hutchison, #7, 2020 unprotected 1st?

Do we put Lavine in, knowing we don’t have a viable replacement for him? Would it need to be Lauri instead of Wendell? We have seen these 1 year rental type guys not fetch as much as one would think. Even if we are not on AD’s list, GarPax would be doing this organization a disservice by not at least extending an offer. Lets discuss what our best offer should be. Thoughts?


First, I'd expect it to be a draft night deal.

I would expect the Celts to put all 14, 20, and 22 on the table along with Brown. They may also put the 2020 Memphis pick in. I think they won't put Tatum in the table.

IMO, the Lakers offer won't be accepted out of spite - NO owner made "over my dead body" comment recently.

Knicks could put #3, Knox, DSJ and Robinson on the table.

That's stiff competition if they want to go all in. Your offer is about the most I'd go, and I'd try to dump Shrek in that package to offset some of the salary. Obviously, we'd want assurances that AD would stick around, and I sincerely doubt he'd give us that.
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Post#1385 » by weneeda2guard » Tue Jun 4, 2019 7:17 pm

i dont think we can really get in on anthony davis unless we 1st clear space and bring in a superstar, i.e bring on kyrie or kawhi then davis may add us to his trade list.

since that is doubtful, i still think the best move is to get in on this as a 3rd team, to get our taste, help us help you a 7th pick could tip the scale for a certain team bidding on davis. but we can get some quality return for 1 eating up some cap , and 2 putting up our 7th pick.
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Post#1386 » by boozapalooza » Wed Jun 5, 2019 3:21 am

sco wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:Reports that Pelicans will listen to offers for AD (no surprise). Sounds like the Celtics may not be as involved as we once thought, if Kyrie is no longer there. So what is our best offer, and how does it compare with other potential destinations? Lakers, Knicks, Portland, among others should all be involved.

Wendell, Hutchison, #7, 2020 unprotected 1st?

Do we put Lavine in, knowing we don’t have a viable replacement for him? Would it need to be Lauri instead of Wendell? We have seen these 1 year rental type guys not fetch as much as one would think. Even if we are not on AD’s list, GarPax would be doing this organization a disservice by not at least extending an offer. Lets discuss what our best offer should be. Thoughts?


First, I'd expect it to be a draft night deal.

I would expect the Celts to put all 14, 20, and 22 on the table along with Brown. They may also put the 2020 Memphis pick in. I think they won't put Tatum in the table.

IMO, the Lakers offer won't be accepted out of spite - NO owner made "over my dead body" comment recently.

Knicks could put #3, Knox, DSJ and Robinson on the table.

That's stiff competition if they want to go all in. Your offer is about the most I'd go, and I'd try to dump Shrek in that package to offset some of the salary. Obviously, we'd want assurances that AD would stick around, and I sincerely doubt he'd give us that.


If these Kyrie to the Nets rumors are true, I don’t think Boston will sell their future with Tatum/Brown for him. Very easily could see New Orleans turn down any deal with the Lakers. And I think the Knicks can make the best offer....but they will always find a way to screw things up. It’s possible we can be in the position to put forth a competitive offer.

Lavine, Wendell, #7, future 1st for AD is a pretty damn good offer when compared to the returns for PG and Kahwi. Its time for GarPax to finally go all in on a big move and I think they may be finally feeling the pressure to do so.
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Post#1387 » by GimmeDat » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:19 am

Wish we could trade 7 for Miles Bridges. No reason for Charlotte to trade him though.
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Post#1388 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:24 am

Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.
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Post#1389 » by GimmeDat » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:29 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


I think this is a realistic deal, and one the Bulls should look in to. Pretty sure we wouldn't have the cap for Brogdon if we did it though.
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Post#1390 » by Ccwatercraft » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:38 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


Okc gives up #21 and 30 mil over 2 seasons, & receive 22 mil over 2 seasons back?

14 next year vs 15mil, doesn't help them now.

I doubt they even last 2 minutes thinking that over.

I would like Schroeder and the 21 but we need a better offer IMO, one that doesn't include Felicio

Dunn and 38?
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Post#1391 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:46 am

Ccwatercraft wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


Okc gives up #21 and 30 mil over 2 seasons, & receive 22 mil over 2 seasons back?

14 next year vs 15mil, doesn't help them now.

I doubt they even last 2 minutes thinking that over.

I would like Schroeder and the 21 but we need a better offer IMO, one that doesn't include Felicio

Dunn and 38?


I’d probably do that. I don’t think you’d have to include 38 though.
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Post#1392 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:47 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


Why trade for Schroeder, draft Edwards and sign Brogdon?? You dont need new 3 PG
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Post#1393 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:57 am

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


Why trade for Schroeder, draft Edwards and sign Brogdon?? You dont need new 3 PG


Schroeder and Edwards aren’t good enough to be starters. If Schroeder was, he wouldnt have such a negative value contract.

At 38, you’re really just hoping for a guy that can stick with your team as a bench piece. Edwards could be a nice spark plug off the bench, maybe even a starter. But not year 1. Imo

The Bulls also really need to solve the pg position as every other position is set long term. Might as well fire a few bullets and hope one of them hits.
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Post#1394 » by MeloRoseNoah » Wed Jun 5, 2019 6:30 am

I personally hope that we trade Kris Dunn for Dennis Schroder and the #21 overall pick. I don't know what's going on with Schroder in the OKC, but his NBA career baseline is more of a 15-17 PER pg rather than his most recent abysmal season. But, it's pretty hard to sg next to Westbrook when your natural position is pg.

This is easily a Win-Win trade for both sides, bc I think that the real Dennis Schroder is better than any pg in FA outside of Kemba Walker and Irving.

With 3 draft picks, we have a very solid chance of finding at least two rotational players, one semi-star and one role player. I hope that GarPax is working the phone.
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Post#1395 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Wed Jun 5, 2019 7:19 am

sco wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:Reports that Pelicans will listen to offers for AD (no surprise). Sounds like the Celtics may not be as involved as we once thought, if Kyrie is no longer there. So what is our best offer, and how does it compare with other potential destinations? Lakers, Knicks, Portland, among others should all be involved.

Wendell, Hutchison, #7, 2020 unprotected 1st?

Do we put Lavine in, knowing we don’t have a viable replacement for him? Would it need to be Lauri instead of Wendell? We have seen these 1 year rental type guys not fetch as much as one would think. Even if we are not on AD’s list, GarPax would be doing this organization a disservice by not at least extending an offer. Lets discuss what our best offer should be. Thoughts?


First, I'd expect it to be a draft night deal.

I would expect the Celts to put all 14, 20, and 22 on the table along with Brown. They may also put the 2020 Memphis pick in. I think they won't put Tatum in the table.

IMO, the Lakers offer won't be accepted out of spite - NO owner made "over my dead body" comment recently.

Knicks could put #3, Knox, DSJ and Robinson on the table.

That's stiff competition if they want to go all in. Your offer is about the most I'd go, and I'd try to dump Shrek in that package to offset some of the salary. Obviously, we'd want assurances that AD would stick around, and I sincerely doubt he'd give us that.



Honestly the best haul will probably be from LAL. If Boston isn’t giving up Tatum, and Kyrie is leaving, that offer is very meh. Probably the worse of the 3. The Knicks offer is actually pretty solid, but the Lakers have the most assets to give up.

Lonzo, Hart, Kuzma, Ingram #4. A combination of some of those assets is objectively better. NOLA needs to deal with the Lakers, and just be happy they lucked into the 1st pick. That more than enough helps deal with the loss of AD by getting gifted Zion
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Post#1396 » by Butler4thewin » Wed Jun 5, 2019 7:53 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:I personally hope that we trade Kris Dunn for Dennis Schroder and the #21 overall pick. I don't know what's going on with Schroder in the OKC, but his NBA career baseline is more of a 15-17 PER pg rather than his most recent abysmal season. But, it's pretty hard to sg next to Westbrook when your natural position is pg.

This is easily a Win-Win trade for both sides, bc I think that the real Dennis Schroder is better than any pg in FA outside of Kemba Walker and Irving.

With 3 draft picks, we have a very solid chance of finding at least two rotational players, one semi-star and one role player. I hope that GarPax is working the phone.

I love this idea Schroder is playing next to non shooters he would solve our pg problems for a few seasons and get us another pick maybe we could gamble in the draft and hope we land a hidden diamond
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Post#1397 » by Butler4thewin » Wed Jun 5, 2019 7:59 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


I think this is a realistic deal, and one the Bulls should look in to. Pretty sure we wouldn't have the cap for Brogdon if we did it though.

If the bulls made that deal and then went in on offering our picks to NO for AD plus wcj what would we need to give up to clear room for him
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Post#1398 » by Dez » Wed Jun 5, 2019 8:48 am

Butler4thewin wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Rumor is OKC wants to use 21 for cap relief

Bulls trade: Felicio, Dunn
Thunder: Schroeder, 21

Bulls then draft Culver at 7, Herro at 21, Edwards at 38, use remaining cap space for Brogdon

Brogdon, Schroeder, Arci, Edwards
Lavine, Denzel, Herro
OPJ, Culver, Hutch
Lauri, OPJ
WCJ, free agent center

Bulls have great depth and youth.


I think this is a realistic deal, and one the Bulls should look in to. Pretty sure we wouldn't have the cap for Brogdon if we did it though.

If the bulls made that deal and then went in on offering our picks to NO for AD plus wcj what would we need to give up to clear room for him


Those picks plus WCJ is still an offer that can easily be beaten for AD.

We're not getting AD.
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Post#1399 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed Jun 5, 2019 11:04 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:I personally hope that we trade Kris Dunn for Dennis Schroder and the #21 overall pick. I don't know what's going on with Schroder in the OKC, but his NBA career baseline is more of a 15-17 PER pg rather than his most recent abysmal season. But, it's pretty hard to sg next to Westbrook when your natural position is pg.

This is easily a Win-Win trade for both sides, bc I think that the real Dennis Schroder is better than any pg in FA outside of Kemba Walker and Irving.

With 3 draft picks, we have a very solid chance of finding at least two rotational players, one semi-star and one role player. I hope that GarPax is working the phone.


How is Dunn worth Dennis AND #21? I dont get it.. Dennis is better player than Dunn,why would OKC overpay?
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Post#1400 » by GimmeDat » Wed Jun 5, 2019 11:10 am

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
MeloRoseNoah wrote:I personally hope that we trade Kris Dunn for Dennis Schroder and the #21 overall pick. I don't know what's going on with Schroder in the OKC, but his NBA career baseline is more of a 15-17 PER pg rather than his most recent abysmal season. But, it's pretty hard to sg next to Westbrook when your natural position is pg.

This is easily a Win-Win trade for both sides, bc I think that the real Dennis Schroder is better than any pg in FA outside of Kemba Walker and Irving.

With 3 draft picks, we have a very solid chance of finding at least two rotational players, one semi-star and one role player. I hope that GarPax is working the phone.


How is Dunn worth Dennis AND #21? I dont get it.. Dennis is better player than Dunn,why would OKC overpay?


Contract -Dennis is severely overpaid. Also a really overrated player, he kinda sucks (not saying Dunn is better by any stretch). I'd want them to take back Felicio if we did this.. even then we'd be taking on considerable salary.

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