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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1381 » by _txchilibowl_ » Fri Jun 5, 2020 7:16 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:
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Florida here, do you live in the city? if yes, maybe lay low if you are nervous, If not then go out a few more times and you'll get over it. By my 3rd visit back to the store it was business as usual from a customer perspective, I don't even think about it now I just go.

My spouse was considered essential and works in a high traffic area, so I hunkered down only for a couple weeks in early April then did split shifts at work for a bit, but now life is and has been 100% normal for some time, i'm back to eating lunches at restaurants, going to the grocery 5-6x a week, I've only put a mask on three times (haircut and flights to and from Texas).

This probably freaks people out, oh well.

At this point based on traffic congestion and how busy the stores are that the number of people peeking through the curtains from home is dwindling quickly. We've had a total of 2600 deaths in FL, 1.24 per 100K, which doesn't freak me out, most of them were very old, more than half were in miami/dade, and the normal death rate in the state is 974 per google.(2016)

The massive drop in unemployment validates that things are picking up as well, we were just talking at work earlier this week and somebody mentioned that they were puzzled how UI numbers keep going up when everyone around us has been back since May or is heading back to work now, I knew at least 15 people that were laid off in some fashion and now only 1 is still on UI. One massage therapist I know starts work officially today and said that once the news came out her phone was blowing up, prebooked 100% through July in less than 24 hours.

Meat shortage? At least round me that was 100% blown out of proportion, zero issues finding whatever I needed, but the media sure pushed that angle hard but I never saw a change except moderate price increases.

Travel/tourism is an interesting one, my neighborhood has several vacation rentals which were closed all of April, I know the homewatch/property manager and she said that once the were allowed to resume they booked every unit to 100% capacity through August already, dozens of units.



Everything you just said, every number you cited, was done with pretty strict regulations and shut downs.

But I'm sure that now that you're back to going to the grocery store 5-6x a week (who does that under any circumstance?) and going wherever you please without a mask on that things will obviously stay the same. Except for you Grandma and Grandpa....you're just S.O.L.

I'm sorry but this kind of brazen attitude suggests that you've either never wanted to take this seriously (which I suspect) or you're just incredibly selfish and can't be bothered by having your life inconvenienced by a mask and 6ft barrier.


Strict regulations? sorry gotta call BS on that, at best we did lockdown lite, from day 1 with incredibly packed grocery stores as everyone raided the toilet paper, walmart was packed, lowes and home depot full of people buying garden supplies to kill time during the first two weeks, it was impossible to avoid people unless you locked the door and pulled the shades. I was extra cautious in early April but if you have a spouse that Is exposed to 300+ people every day you realize quickly that sitting home chewing your nails isn't going to change the odds very much in your favor.

My grocery is about 1/2 mile from my home, I shop daily for whatever is for dinner.

sorry, but its is what it is... and literally my entire county (and the rest of the state from what I know of) is doing exactly the same thing, we are working, shopping, living just like normal with extra hand washing (certainly practicing social distancing much better than the looters)

I respect your right to stay home as much as you wish, I have no desire to drag you out into the world against your will, but since obviously you have concerns I also suggest not visiting Florida, we're open for business here.



You can be open for business and still respect the global pandemic going on. That's what someone who cares about their fellow man would do.

I grew up in Florida. Spent 35 years there before I left. I care about the state and always will. But I still have 20+ relatives who live there, including at risk parents and grandparents. Should I tell them not to visit?

Again, the country can reopen and we can (SHOULD) take some simple precautions. You have decided to ignore them. You can say that's your choice but in reality if you're wrong it directly effects everyone else.

CC, I have nothing against you. Hell, I don't even know you. But I'm still out here doing the right things for you and yours. Why can't that be reciprocated?

110,000+ Americans dead and counting. Please put on a mask.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1382 » by Ccwatercraft » Fri Jun 5, 2020 8:14 pm

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_txchilibowl_ wrote:

Everything you just said, every number you cited, was done with pretty strict regulations and shut downs.

But I'm sure that now that you're back to going to the grocery store 5-6x a week (who does that under any circumstance?) and going wherever you please without a mask on that things will obviously stay the same. Except for you Grandma and Grandpa....you're just S.O.L.

I'm sorry but this kind of brazen attitude suggests that you've either never wanted to take this seriously (which I suspect) or you're just incredibly selfish and can't be bothered by having your life inconvenienced by a mask and 6ft barrier.


Strict regulations? sorry gotta call BS on that, at best we did lockdown lite, from day 1 with incredibly packed grocery stores as everyone raided the toilet paper, walmart was packed, lowes and home depot full of people buying garden supplies to kill time during the first two weeks, it was impossible to avoid people unless you locked the door and pulled the shades. I was extra cautious in early April but if you have a spouse that Is exposed to 300+ people every day you realize quickly that sitting home chewing your nails isn't going to change the odds very much in your favor.

My grocery is about 1/2 mile from my home, I shop daily for whatever is for dinner.

sorry, but its is what it is... and literally my entire county (and the rest of the state from what I know of) is doing exactly the same thing, we are working, shopping, living just like normal with extra hand washing (certainly practicing social distancing much better than the looters)

I respect your right to stay home as much as you wish, I have no desire to drag you out into the world against your will, but since obviously you have concerns I also suggest not visiting Florida, we're open for business here.



You can be open for business and still respect the global pandemic going on. That's what someone who cares about their fellow man would do.

I grew up in Florida. Spent 35 years there before I left. I care about the state and always will. But I still have 20+ relatives who live there, including at risk parents and grandparents. Should I tell them not to visit?

Again, the country can reopen and we can (SHOULD) take some simple precautions. You have decided to ignore them. You can say that's your choice but in reality if you're wrong it directly effects everyone else.

CC, I have nothing against you. Hell, I don't even know you. But I'm still out here doing the right things for you and yours. Why can't that be reciprocated?

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Sorry, the world wont burn down if 30,000,000 don't have a mask on any given day vs 30,000,001, especially when a 50 if them are in the store with me. Hell the CDC didnt give a dam about non medical people wearing masks initially. We have news teams out there mask shaming people while not wearing masks.

If you are going to wait for 0 cases, you will be waiting for months and months. You are free to do what makes you feel better.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1383 » by _txchilibowl_ » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:12 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:
_txchilibowl_ wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
Strict regulations? sorry gotta call BS on that, at best we did lockdown lite, from day 1 with incredibly packed grocery stores as everyone raided the toilet paper, walmart was packed, lowes and home depot full of people buying garden supplies to kill time during the first two weeks, it was impossible to avoid people unless you locked the door and pulled the shades. I was extra cautious in early April but if you have a spouse that Is exposed to 300+ people every day you realize quickly that sitting home chewing your nails isn't going to change the odds very much in your favor.

My grocery is about 1/2 mile from my home, I shop daily for whatever is for dinner.

sorry, but its is what it is... and literally my entire county (and the rest of the state from what I know of) is doing exactly the same thing, we are working, shopping, living just like normal with extra hand washing (certainly practicing social distancing much better than the looters)

I respect your right to stay home as much as you wish, I have no desire to drag you out into the world against your will, but since obviously you have concerns I also suggest not visiting Florida, we're open for business here.



You can be open for business and still respect the global pandemic going on. That's what someone who cares about their fellow man would do.

I grew up in Florida. Spent 35 years there before I left. I care about the state and always will. But I still have 20+ relatives who live there, including at risk parents and grandparents. Should I tell them not to visit?

Again, the country can reopen and we can (SHOULD) take some simple precautions. You have decided to ignore them. You can say that's your choice but in reality if you're wrong it directly effects everyone else.

CC, I have nothing against you. Hell, I don't even know you. But I'm still out here doing the right things for you and yours. Why can't that be reciprocated?

110,000+ Americans dead and counting. Please put on a mask.


Sorry, the world wont burn down if 30,000,000 don't have a mask on any given day vs 30,000,001, especially when a 50 if them are in the store with me. Hell the CDC didnt give a dam about non medical people wearing masks initially. We have news teams out there mask shaming people while not wearing masks.

If you are going to wait for 0 cases, you will be waiting for months and months. You are free to do what makes you feel better.



- You not wearing a mask is your own conscious choice. Don't lay it at the feet of the 30,000,000 other people who should be wearing them as well.

- New science is funny that way, huh? First you think you know something and then you learn something else.

- I find you to be a good poster. Smart and well thought out in your opinions, disagree as I may. But it's not helping your argument when you generalize and reduce the topic at hand. Saying things like "looters" instead of protesters and making statements akin to "If you're scared stay home" aren't going to lead to any kind of productive discussions.

Anyway, I'm going to bow out now. I think we both know where we stand. I assume you'll want to respond which I understand but I'm likely not going to engage this any further. Hopefully we'll have other discussions down the road...

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1384 » by dice » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:19 pm

on my daily walk i saw a number of restaurants w/ outdoor seating not making much of an effort to social distance. including table spacing. and waiters w/ masks on just leaning right in to customers w/o masks as if the mask completely protects them. i don't know if this level of stupidity is peculiar to americans or just a human race problem

meanwhile, apparently airlines and airports are not strictly enforcing their no masks rule, nor social distancing:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/travel/coronavirus-flying-face-masks.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200605&instance_id=19139&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=94658923&segment_id=30215&te=1&user_id=7ea4e9d4dbdb5ec9d68d451510e3f47d
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1385 » by GetBuLLish » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:22 pm

These are some of the people that have been guiding public health policy the past few months. A joke. An absolutely insane joke.

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1386 » by dice » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:22 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:The massive drop in unemployment validates that things are picking up as well

yeah, there's been no massive drop in unemployment. it's not a feel thing or who you talk to. there's public data on this stuff. but we have seen A drop, one that was unexpected. and that's a great thing. but we've got a long, long way to go after losing nearly a decade's worth of job gains:

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1387 » by dice » Fri Jun 5, 2020 11:45 pm

"if you look at georgia, if you look at florida, if you look at s. carolina...the ones that are most energetic about opening, they're doing temendous business" - donald trump

"i'm not sure how to get through to some people other than to point out it's still here. it's all over the country. it's not going to evaporate one day. it's still highly dangerous, and it's deadly" - henry mcmaster, s. carolina governor and trump supporter

florida yesterday recorded a record high number of new COVID-19 cases. and they've been suppressing data:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/20200513/coronavirus-florida-editorial-gov-desantis-still-hiding-crucial-data-on-covid-19-deaths-from-public

s carolina cases have ramped up as well in the past week

meanwhile, trump had his staff move journalist chairs closer together today because "it looks better." no masks for closely gathered administration officials either

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1388 » by _txchilibowl_ » Sat Jun 6, 2020 12:05 am

dice wrote:"if you look at georgia, if you look at florida, if you look at s. carolina...the ones that are most energetic about opening, they're doing temendous business" - donald trump

"i'm not sure how to get through to some people other than to point out it's still here. it's all over the country. it's not going to evaporate one day. it's still highly dangerous, and it's deadly" - henry mcmaster, s. carolina governor and trump supporter

florida yesterday recorded a record high number of new COVID-19 cases. and they've been suppressing data:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/20200513/coronavirus-florida-editorial-gov-desantis-still-hiding-crucial-data-on-covid-19-deaths-from-public

meanwhile, trump had his staff move journalist chairs closer together today because "it looks better." no masks for closely gathered administration officials either

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1389 » by dice » Sat Jun 6, 2020 12:13 am

_txchilibowl_ wrote:
dice wrote:"if you look at georgia, if you look at florida, if you look at s. carolina...the ones that are most energetic about opening, they're doing temendous business" - donald trump

"i'm not sure how to get through to some people other than to point out it's still here. it's all over the country. it's not going to evaporate one day. it's still highly dangerous, and it's deadly" - henry mcmaster, s. carolina governor and trump supporter

florida yesterday recorded a record high number of new COVID-19 cases. and they've been suppressing data:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/20200513/coronavirus-florida-editorial-gov-desantis-still-hiding-crucial-data-on-covid-19-deaths-from-public

meanwhile, trump had his staff move journalist chairs closer together today because "it looks better." no masks for closely gathered administration officials either

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Leadership at its finest.... :roll:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/31/1949235/-Trump-adviser-He-s-been-over-coronavirus-for-a-long-time?detail=emaildkreicymi
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1390 » by _txchilibowl_ » Sat Jun 6, 2020 12:25 am

dice wrote:
_txchilibowl_ wrote:
dice wrote:"if you look at georgia, if you look at florida, if you look at s. carolina...the ones that are most energetic about opening, they're doing temendous business" - donald trump

"i'm not sure how to get through to some people other than to point out it's still here. it's all over the country. it's not going to evaporate one day. it's still highly dangerous, and it's deadly" - henry mcmaster, s. carolina governor and trump supporter

florida yesterday recorded a record high number of new COVID-19 cases. and they've been suppressing data:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/20200513/coronavirus-florida-editorial-gov-desantis-still-hiding-crucial-data-on-covid-19-deaths-from-public

meanwhile, trump had his staff move journalist chairs closer together today because "it looks better." no masks for closely gathered administration officials either

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Leadership at its finest.... :roll:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/31/1949235/-Trump-adviser-He-s-been-over-coronavirus-for-a-long-time?detail=emaildkreicymi



Unbelievable.

Actually...totally believable. The history books are going to have a field day with this guy.

The sad part is that, in many ways, the failure that is the Trump administration is more a reflection of the state of the country than it is of the man himself. And that's saying something....
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1391 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:17 am

The journalists should have just picked up their chairs and moved them the required 6' apart. Screw what they want them to do.

I honestly don't know why the press doesn't show more fight when it comes to acquiescing to Trump and his tactics.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1392 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:21 am

I read today that they expect 1 in 8 small businesses to fail in the near future because of the pandemic. And the US economy is going to lose something like 7 trillion in productivity this year. Seems like cutting a few million here and there to shut down the that office in China run by the CDC or the task force on pandemic planning which were done last year was really being penny wise and dollar foolish. And we should take into consideration what this cost, when doing planning for future events. Like stock piling enough PPP, ventilators, hand sanitizer, etc. on federal, state, local, and individual levels. Spending a few billion now could save trillions in the future.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1393 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:21 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Life probably has had bigger changes from 2000 to 2020 than it did from 1900 to 2000.

This seems absurd on its face.


I'm 44 and growing up there was effectively no internet, no cell phones, no GPS, no computers. Maybe the date ranges I put in are not exactly correct, and it's 1900 to 1990 vs 1990-2020, but it's insane how much life has changed. Even the computer age has basically come and gone for the cell phone age which is just an incredible transition.

I agree with Doug. The world has easily changed more in the last 20 years than it did in the hundred prior. I'll go even farther than that..... that the world also changed more in the hundred years from 1900 to 2010 than it did the thousand years before that.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1394 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:34 am

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dougthonus wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:This seems absurd on its face.


I'm 44 and growing up there was effectively no internet, no cell phones, no GPS, no computers. Maybe the date ranges I put in are not exactly correct, and it's 1900 to 1990 vs 1990-2020, but it's insane how much life has changed. Even the computer age has basically come and gone for the cell phone age which is just an incredible transition.

I agree with Doug. The world has easily changed more in the last 20 years than it did in the hundred prior. I'll go even farther than that..... that the world also changed more in the hundred years from 1900 to 2010 than it did the thousand years before that.


I would disagree there too. In AD 1000, no one was sailing out of sight of a shoreline (on purpose). Life expectancy was around 35. The vast majority of humankind were living lives that, in the words of Thomas Malthus, were "nasty, brutish, and short". Most of Europe (including Russia and a lot of other places) were still farmers or animal herders, eking out a subsistence living. Most never traveled more than a few miles from their homes their whole lives. Almost no one could read or write. There were still wide swaths of the earth were "native" people still predominated (like all of the western hemisphere, Australia, much of Africa, etc.)

I think the shock of someone in the year 1900 going back to the year 1000, would be much, much greater than someone today going back to the year 1900.
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Post#1395 » by TheStig » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:14 am

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Unbelievable.

Actually...totally believable. The history books are going to have a field day with this guy.

The sad part is that, in many ways, the failure that is the Trump administration is more a reflection of the state of the country than it is of the man himself. And that's saying something....

To be fair, I don't think Trump cares if the press get covid. Just saying.
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Post#1396 » by dice » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:15 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:This seems absurd on its face.


I'm 44 and growing up there was effectively no internet, no cell phones, no GPS, no computers. Maybe the date ranges I put in are not exactly correct, and it's 1900 to 1990 vs 1990-2020, but it's insane how much life has changed. Even the computer age has basically come and gone for the cell phone age which is just an incredible transition.

I agree with Doug. The world has easily changed more in the last 20 years than it did in the hundred prior. I'll go even farther than that..... that the world also changed more in the hundred years from 1900 to 2010 than it did the thousand years before that.

make it the last 25 years and it's a conversation i think. most adults in the developed world had cell phones at the turn of this century. the internet was also widespread. medical advancements were PROFOUND in the 20th century (antibiotics and vaccines, insulin, hearing aids). automobile use and home showers and liquid soap became widespread. airplanes, radio, television, VCRs...toothpaste replaced tooth powder. washing machines, microwaves, air conditioning, refrigerators, electric typewriters followed by home computers, laser, frozen food, hair dryers, NUKES, motion pictures, coffee makers, vacuum cleaners, bras, ballpoint pens, genetic engineering, copying machines, pornography, weather forecasting, mass production in general, electron microscope, calculators, electric guitar, women's rights, contact lenses, credit cards, CONTRACEPTIVES, civil rights, abolition of child labor...the bikini and miniskirts, gentlemen? and life expectancy worldwide went on a rocketship after being largely stagnant at 25-35 years old for centuries

i take it back. 1900-1995 wins by a landslide. take away the last 25 years of advancements for a 16 year old today and it would be a substantial adjustment - traumatic for the many addicted to their electronic devices. take away the last 120 years and we'd all be in the fetal position
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Post#1397 » by Dresden » Sat Jun 6, 2020 5:48 am

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dougthonus wrote:
Dresden wrote:Things that weren't around in 1900, or at least widely available: automobiles, airplanes, telephones, television, electricity, refrigeration, plastics. That's much bigger than internet and cell phones, IMO.


Gets into an interesting debate for sure. Obviously electricity is the basis for which things are built, but it was commonly available in 1900. You're right that a lot of key inventions were put out in that area though, where automobiles became common and same with airplanes.

I think the software/internet revolution is bigger those things in terms of improving the capabilities of our world, but it's an interesting argument. It's kind of like comparing basketball players of different eras.


IMO, 1900 is an arbitrary cut off line that doesn't really encapsulate the changes well.

From about 1860 to 1930 we went from a agricultural society with most things complete manual labor to a largely mechanical world. We spent the next 60 or so years just improving those machines. Around 1990 electronics started coming to the masses and we went from a mechanical world with a human controller to an electronic world.

I would say that the period from 1860 to 1930 was a bigger change than 1990 to now but we are still in the middle of the revolution. In about 30 years, human control of machines will be unnecessary.


I think if you look at that way, in 60 year stretches, one being the industrial revolution, the second being the electronic revolution, you could say they might be equivalent. Tough to say, because as you point out, we're only about 30 years into the electronic age.

I still think the invention of electricity, the automobile, air flight, mass production, dynamite, coal and gas power, telegraph and telephone, television plus advances in fields like medicine probably make it more impactful still than the electronic/computer age, but you could argue for both I'm sure.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1398 » by samwana » Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:59 pm

Ccwatercraft wrote:
BigUps wrote:Wife made a mistake and ordered in store pickup (instead of curbside) at Target for some groceries today so I went and picked them up. Pretty crazy experience. I hadn't been out for 2 weeks so walking into a store with a mask on and seeing so many others with masks and gloves on was just surreal. I felt awful for the workers too, they had no real protection on for the most part.

Crazy stuff. I'll certainly remember that moment for the rest of my life.


Florida here, do you live in the city? if yes, maybe lay low if you are nervous, If not then go out a few more times and you'll get over it. By my 3rd visit back to the store it was business as usual from a customer perspective, I don't even think about it now I just go.

My spouse was considered essential and works in a high traffic area, so I hunkered down only for a couple weeks in early April then did split shifts at work for a bit, but now life is and has been 100% normal for some time, i'm back to eating lunches at restaurants, going to the grocery 5-6x a week, I've only put a mask on three times (haircut and flights to and from Texas).

This probably freaks people out, oh well.

At this point based on traffic congestion and how busy the stores are that the number of people peeking through the curtains from home is dwindling quickly. We've had a total of 2600 deaths in FL, 1.24 per 100K, which doesn't freak me out, most of them were very old, more than half were in miami/dade, and the normal death rate in the state is 974 per google.(2016)

The massive drop in unemployment validates that things are picking up as well, we were just talking at work earlier this week and somebody mentioned that they were puzzled how UI numbers keep going up when everyone around us has been back since May or is heading back to work now, I knew at least 15 people that were laid off in some fashion and now only 1 is still on UI. One massage therapist I know starts work officially today and said that once the news came out her phone was blowing up, prebooked 100% through July in less than 24 hours.

Meat shortage? At least round me that was 100% blown out of proportion, zero issues finding whatever I needed, but the media sure pushed that angle hard but I never saw a change except moderate price increases.

Travel/tourism is an interesting one, my neighborhood has several vacation rentals which were closed all of April, I know the homewatch/property manager and she said that once the were allowed to resume they booked every unit to 100% capacity through August already, dozens of units.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1399 » by dice » Sat Jun 6, 2020 10:41 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:These are some of the people that have been guiding public health policy the past few months. A joke. An absolutely insane joke.

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if you actually read the entirety of the linked statement, it's quite reasonable. michael tracey took the single line in the whole thing that could be made to look ridiculous when taken out of context and did so. this is not a case of health experts saying that when black people do something it's healthy and when others do it's not. they're saying that IN GENERAL these protests contribute to the health of the black community in the long run because they draw attention to the systematic inequality in our health system. what's not clear is if they're saying that the long-term benefits outweigh the increased COVID-19 risk in this PARTICULAR instance. but that may also be the case given that the black community has been forced to endure additional trauma by viewing what happened in minneapolis while cooped up at home, disproportionately affected both economically and health-wise by the pandemic. at some point there is a psychological breaking point, and that point has painfully obviously been reached in the black community

regardless, what's actually an absolutely insane joke is that you think you know better than the health experts
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1400 » by jmajew » Mon Jun 8, 2020 1:56 pm

dice wrote:on my daily walk i saw a number of restaurants w/ outdoor seating not making much of an effort to social distance. including table spacing. and waiters w/ masks on just leaning right in to customers w/o masks as if the mask completely protects them. i don't know if this level of stupidity is peculiar to americans or just a human race problem

meanwhile, apparently airlines and airports are not strictly enforcing their no masks rule, nor social distancing:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/travel/coronavirus-flying-face-masks.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200605&instance_id=19139&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=94658923&segment_id=30215&te=1&user_id=7ea4e9d4dbdb5ec9d68d451510e3f47d


I was on the way home Friday night from playing golf with my kids, they get to play for free on weekends after 5PM it is awesome, and we drove by the local bar. It was absolutely packed. My boys asked me if we could go. I said to them isn't it more fun to eat at home and make our own food? I literally have no ambition to go to a crowded place right now, especially ones that I know are making business decisions before health ones.

My wife and I are truly going to be making a conscious choice to go out less. As I've stated before we have found out we are just much happier doing things outside with the family that naturally dictate social distancing.

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