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Fabo wrote:Houston should just go ahead and take the pick and run and use whatever picks they have to make their own trade for big man. Especially if we do end up giving them two picks, its enough picks for Houston to scrape up a big man from somewhere in the league.
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:The problem is that too many of us here have the starving man syndrome and are too willing to give up necessary equipment for a bite of a bad sandwich. Let me explain...
So pretend you are a homeless vagrant who hasn't eaten in three days, we'll call you Duck. So anyways, you haven't eaten and you are starving and desperate for some food. The last thing you ate was some cat food (Keith Bogans) it was terrible, but it kept you from starving to death.
Now you straggle into a 7-11, but before the store owner can shoo you out with a broom you see one of those pre-packaged 7-11 ham sandwiches (Courtney Lee) in the refrigerated case on clearance. Now for most people they wouldn't touch a clearance sale sandwich at 7-11 if you held their children for ransom. But all you've eaten is cat food and you really want an upgrade on that but you don't have any money.
What you do have is a blanket (Omer Asik) to trade. Its foreign made, not quite as sturdy as you'd like, and its got some holes - but it was their for you when your first blanket was lost, and its kept you alive during the cold winter nights. But you don't remember any of that - all you can think about is that god damn cat food you ate, and how good that sandwich would taste comparatively.
I beg of you homeless vagrant - don't nosh down a week old sandwich, just so that you can freeze to death later tonight. Eat the cat food and live to fight another day.
tl;dr Eating cat food is better than freezing to death
Excellent post and analogy.
alucryts wrote:it is for someone who should be able to shoot the ball well. we need a scorer.
i thought about that for mayo but mayo is all on potential not performance. this is about lee tho how do you defend a 53.3% ts%??? hes a younger bogans with better defense
Payt10 wrote:Ctownbulls wrote:Payt10 wrote:So wait a minute... If I'm reading this correctly, it says we are offering a first round pick.. Don't tell me we are refusing to give up the one we just picked up as well? If the Bulls think they can just get Lee with one first round pick they're dreaming. Give them multiple firsts because we won't need them for the next 2 years and if they really really won't do the deal without Asik, just give him to them. I want a SG so bad right now. I have to trust in the FO seeing as how they have pulled off some great deals in the past at the trade deadline. I'm confident we will get something done.
Uh, Lee is averaging 7 ppg. Its not like he would be a lottery pick if he was in the draft again. Why should he be worth 2 first round draft picks? That is drastically overpaying. We are in no hurry. We are 22 games over .500 with the current team we have and have an extremely young nucleus. No need to panic and trade 2 first rounders for a guy who can't seem to stick anywhere, I don't think that is a coincidence.
The point is, we DO NOT need these first round picks. The likelihood of somebody that we select with those picks that turns out to be a rotational player for us is slim and none. We could trade away both of those firsts and get somebody that can start for us right away and help us win now. We aren't a team on the decline so it's not important to be stock piling these first round picks together, all they are is trade bait.
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Ralphb07 wrote:First I think people need to realize that we are not getting Wade, Allen, Kobe,Roy type of talent at SG. So when you factor that in and look at the SG's that can help this team I don't see how people can rate Lee or Mayo so low and be so negative. Both guys are legit starters, Lee started over J.J Redick as a rookie who we offered 7 mil to be our starting SG this year.
Now you put into consideration the Bulls want to keep their main players here but want to add a legit starter, guess what that means you have to make it worthwhile to the other team and how can you do that, it's by overpaying somehow "Draft picks".
Asik for Lee is fair value and I don't think Houston is asking much if that's what they want, I won't do the trade because Asik is important to the Bulls this year and in the near future, but Houston isn't being crazy. So the Bulls have a choice, trade Asik or give them a better offer without Asik.
As long as the Bulls feel the SG is in the 3-4 year plan, giving up the Charlotte pick is worth it because that pick is only really good in 4 years.
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Magilla_Gorilla wrote:BullsCroatia wrote:
You can easily get a better big man than Taj in the summer.
Not for a million dollars you can't.
Ralphb07 wrote:First I think people need to realize that we are not getting Wade, Allen, Kobe,Roy type of talent at SG. So when you factor that in and look at the SG's that can help this team I don't see how people can rate Lee or Mayo so low and be so negative. Both guys are legit starters, Lee started over J.J Redick as a rookie who we offered 7 mil to be our starting SG this year.
JDRochholz wrote:I'm afraid we will have to give up Asik for Lee. Basically this years 1st round picks are equivalent to an average years 2nd round picks. It's just not a good draft, the picks are not worth a whole lot.....
Fabo wrote:I'm sure Lee will be a Bull tomorrow.
The Rockets are making the playoffs, and haven't made it in a long time, might as well trade a bench player for some picks.
nitetrain8603 wrote:OJ Mayo is a future franchise player. Get him the ball, spread the floor and let him go to work. Bulls are in trouble.
umfan83 wrote:I think its a little ridiculous that no one will give up Asik for Lee. I love Asik too and think he's a good improving player. But you have to get to give. We won't offer our 3rd string center for their starting SG. You have to give to get, and you can't just give them 2 late first round picks and expect them to trade you a young SG with potential. You have to give up from your strength. It's not like we are going to expect him to be a starter or best bench frontcourt player. He's your 4th big man, 5th if Kurt Thomas is on the team.
umfan83 wrote:I think its a little ridiculous that no one will give up Asik for Lee. I love Asik too and think he's a good improving player. But you have to get to give. We won't offer our 3rd string center for their starting SG. You have to give to get, and you can't just give them 2 late first round picks and expect them to trade you a young SG with potential. You have to give up from your strength. It's not like we are going to expect him to be a starter or best bench frontcourt player. He's your 4th big man, 5th if Kurt Thomas is on the team.