Houston Coming after Dunleavy, Bulls unwilling to move him

[Chitownbulls]

Deal Dunleavy....he isn't apart of the big picture. Ill take a pick for him....Bulls need to keep stockpiling picks so we can move up in the draft.

[thefranchise3]

I highly doubt anyone is offering a 1st round pick right now. If they did, I'd think the Bulls would strongly consider it.

It could change on the day of the deadline. Some teams could get desperate.

[Evil_Headband]

Give me Donatas Motiejunas, Omri Casspi and a 1st, and I will drive Dunleavy to Houston, not the airport, put all the way to Houston.

The Rockets are not offering a 1st so how does anyone expect them to offer those two guys... The deal is far worse

Ronnie Brewer and Greg Smith are the two dudes.

That makes the most sense. 2 guys the Rockets don't need and no money owed next year.

[mostek]

It is very hard to believe that the Bulls, sitting a game out of 3rd, they trade their starting SF, for a future asset, with only a struggling rookie currently backing up both wing positions. I doubt there is any way he is moved, unless a comparable wing player is returned, not the junk mentioned. That is in direct opposition to the posters rumors, but in exact alignment with what the GM just publicly stated. Are people still buying into the Bulls tanking?

Yes, I believe, just like the title states, teams are trying to pry Dunleavy from the Bulls, but the Bull are not willing to completely write off the season.

[Mr Funk]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

1. He's too one dimensional.
2. He can't create for himself off the dribble.
3. He can't create for others off the dribble.
4. He can't or can barely handle the ball.
5. He has zero athleticism.
6. His defence is atrocious.
7. We signed him instead of Pasta (or Nate), who can not only create off the dribble for himself and others, but is shooting lights out this year.
8. He's a dork.

[Eduardo]

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KC

[ChicagoStrong]

1. He's too one dimensional.
2. He can't create for himself off the dribble.
3. He can't create for others off the dribble.
4. He can't or can barely handle the ball.
5. He has zero athleticism.
6. His defence is atrocious.
7. We signed him instead of Pasta (or Nate), who can not only create off the dribble for himself and others, but is shooting lights out this year.
8. He's a dork.

Marco was highly mediocre "creating", .513 TS% with the Bulls. He would not be putting up these numbers on the Bulls.

Being on the Spurs allows him to just be a spot up shooter as he is being assisted on 80% of his shots this year. He isn't creating for himself or others.

Hell, he was assisted on 67% of his shots last year. What shots did he create for himself or others? He averaged the same amount of assist as Mike, 2.0.

The game isn't based on aestheticism, it's based on putting the ball in the hole which Dunleavy is doing more here than Marco did.

Marco's defense isn't even worth mentioning.

The last point is laughable.

[SDBearsFan]

I'm glad the Bulls aren't moving Dunleavy for a bag of dog ****...kudos to GarPax. The dude is a professional, and while it's painful to see him try and create shots with the starting group, he's extremely valuable off the bench and with his current salary.

I think there's something to be said as well that IIRC, he took less money to sign in Chicago in the first place, and while I'm not saying that cemented him a spot in Chicago, I'm sure it makes him a bit more likely to stay unless a 1st rounder is offered.

[Ralphb07]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

1. He's too one dimensional.
2. He can't create for himself off the dribble.
3. He can't create for others off the dribble.
4. He can't or can barely handle the ball.
5. He has zero athleticism.
6. His defence is atrocious.
7. We signed him instead of Pasta (or Nate), who can not only create off the dribble for himself and others, but is shooting lights out this year.
8. He's a dork.

I'd love if we could've kept Marco and signed Mike. The bottom line is we need to stop losing three point shooters and add more. The reality is Melo is more than likely not coming and if for some reason he does Mike can be dump in a blink of an eye. We are going to have two good picks this year, the room mle and about 12 mil in space. We can keep a really good shooter in Mike and add other pieces. Marco cost 3 mil or less for the Spurs. The Bulls can find similar players who can create and all the other things you listed while keeping Mike.

Why must it always be one or the other and not both.

[Mightymosdef]

You've already been called out by a mod in this thread.

Leave it alone.

[Ralphb07]

I'm glad the Bulls aren't moving Dunleavy for a bag of dog ****...kudos to GarPax. The dude is a professional, and while it's painful to see him try and create shots with the starting group, he's extremely valuable off the bench and with his current salary.

I think there's something to be said as well that IIRC, he took less money to sign in Chicago in the first place, and while I'm not saying that cemented him a spot in Chicago, I'm sure it makes him a bit more likely to stay unless a 1st rounder is offered.

I was talking to a buddy today and I said if Thibs goes with Gibson as our starting PF we could have Snell, Dunleavy and Nikola all off the bench. That is some floor spacing. We keep DJ and that is a killer bench with offensive firepower and crazy shooting.

[Keller61]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

1. He's too one dimensional.
2. He can't create for himself off the dribble.
3. He can't create for others off the dribble.
4. He can't or can barely handle the ball.
5. He has zero athleticism.
6. His defence is atrocious.
7. We signed him instead of Pasta (or Nate), who can not only create off the dribble for himself and others, but is shooting lights out this year.
8. He's a dork.

Do you know someone better who we could sign for $3 million? Mike has his flaws but he's been solid for us overall. His catch-and-shoot ability adds an element to our offense, and his shooting would be great to have off the bench next year.

[TheSuzerain]

The sticking point to Houston and Chicago is Houston is only offering the Knicks 2nd round pick and the Bulls wants Houston 2014 1st round pick instead which I agree with. The players we'd get back are really just fillers though I'd assume one certain wing guy Thibs would play...

The Bulls know Mike can be dealt going forward if need be so why make a bad trade now. The Bulls want a 1st round pick for Mike and unless they get one he should not be traded.

Edit: The guys we'd be getting back make about 1 mil less than Dunleavy this season and the big might be able to beat out Nazr for his spot. Still the key is the 1st round pick.

Sounds good to me.

Hold out for a 1st rounder.

[kingkirk]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

1. He's too one dimensional.
2. He can't create for himself off the dribble.
3. He can't create for others off the dribble.
4. He can't or can barely handle the ball.
5. He has zero athleticism.
6. His defence is atrocious.
7. We signed him instead of Pasta (or Nate), who can not only create off the dribble for himself and others, but is shooting lights out this year.
8. He's a dork.

Your hate for Dunleavy is getting out of hand at this point.

[Wingy]

Why trade Dunleavy?

#AllInForA2ndRoundDrubbing

Sarcasm aside, we effed up the tank. It doesn't really matter anymore

[micromonkey]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

It depends on if you think this team is a serious contender this year and next year. If you just want to win games this and next year with no prospect for the future at all then keep playing him. Forget tanking--just some amount of reasonable prep for a timeline when you can field a team that can really compete.

This year we are not even close. Next year if we stand full pat we basically dumped Deng and are adding a rusty Rose and maybe Mirotic. I don't see how that team is even as good as the 10-11 or 11-12 teams; depth is worse and Snell isn't replacing Deng. Rookie Niko isn't going to either. Taj and Noah are better but everyone else is worse, maybe only slightly better (Butler/Dunleavy)>=(Korver/Brewer) but then you factor no Deng--so Deng >>>>>>>Snell (might not even be a rotation player--definitely not by next year) Asik>>Nazr
Pre ACL Rose > Rose? for now at least. Even if we get Mirotic I think 1-2 years is reasonable time frame to see what he has. Lebron didn't figure it out year 1 - I don't see how Mirotic does. If we don't add any FA only use the rest for bench we have the same 1 creator issue a bunch of rookies. I'm not going to complain--it's a good place to be--but I won't have serious title aspirations--too many raw pieces.

So if you think along those lines--I could give a !%#$* about Dunleavy. Not that you dump him for nothing--I think you will get something--but you have to start planning for the future and even if it's a late 1st/early second or a prospect--you free up cap to go after someone this summer.

Mike isn't going to be on the contenders---and that is only if everything else goes right--Rose comes back and Mirotic pans out in year 2-3. CP3 took a full year after his knee--he was really never 100% that 1st year back--I don't know why we expect anything better from rose who has shown nothing but that he's truly someone who needs time to get to playing speed--the rustiest of the rusties when he comes back.

Maybe I'm pessimistic--I just don't see the value of MDJ winning us 5-6 more games than a Cartier Martin the next year or working to get something bigger.

[Keller61]

I don't understand why some people are eager to get rid of Dunleavy. He is on a good deal and provides us with much-needed shooting.

It depends on if you think this team is a serious contender this year and next year. If you just want to win games this and next year with no prospect for the future at all then keep playing him. Forget tanking--just some amount of reasonable prep for a timeline when you can field a team that can really compete.

This year we are not even close. Next year if we stand full pat we basically dumped Deng and are adding a rusty Rose and maybe Mirotic. I don't see how that team is even as good as the 10-11 or 11-12 teams; depth is worse and Snell isn't replacing Deng. Rookie Niko isn't going to either. Taj and Noah are better but everyone else is worse, maybe only slightly better (Butler/Dunleavy)>=(Korver/Brewer) but then you factor no Deng--so Deng >>>>>>>Snell (might not even be a rotation player--definitely not by next year) Asik>>Nazr
Pre ACL Rose > Rose? for now at least. Even if we get Mirotic I think 1-2 years is reasonable time frame to see what he has. Lebron didn't figure it out year 1 - I don't see how Mirotic does. If we don't add any FA only use the rest for bench we have the same 1 creator issue a bunch of rookies. I'm not going to complain--it's a good place to be--but I won't have serious title aspirations--too many raw pieces.

So if you think along those lines--I could give a !%#$* about Dunleavy. Not that you dump him for nothing--I think you will get something--but you have to start planning for the future and even if it's a late 1st/early second or a prospect--you free up cap to go after someone this summer.

Mike isn't going to be on the contenders---and that is only if everything else goes right--Rose comes back and Mirotic pans out in year 2-3. CP3 took a full year after his knee--he was really never 100% that 1st year back--I don't know why we expect anything better from rose who has shown nothing but that he's truly someone who needs time to get to playing speed--the rustiest of the rusties when he comes back.

Maybe I'm pessimistic--I just don't see the value of MDJ winning us 5-6 more games than a Cartier Martin the next year or working to get something bigger.

I would plan on treating it as if we are contenders next season. I don't know if we will be - it depends on how Rose comes back - but if Rose makes a strong comeback we should try to have the best possible team to make a run next season. Miami will be a year older. Indiana might lose Stephenson and some of their guys are getting old too. Taj and Noah are in their primes. I think we should go for it next year, and even if we don't win, at least see how far we can go with a healthy Rose.

If there's a trade for Dunleavy that makes sense and would make us better, I'm all for that, but I'm not for dumping him for capspace. If it turns out that we need that capspace to sign Melo or someone else, we can probably unload him in the offseason or include him in a sign-and-trade.

[SDBearsFan]

I'm glad the Bulls aren't moving Dunleavy for a bag of dog ****...kudos to GarPax. The dude is a professional, and while it's painful to see him try and create shots with the starting group, he's extremely valuable off the bench and with his current salary.

I think there's something to be said as well that IIRC, he took less money to sign in Chicago in the first place, and while I'm not saying that cemented him a spot in Chicago, I'm sure it makes him a bit more likely to stay unless a 1st rounder is offered.

I was talking to a buddy today and I said if Thibs goes with Gibson as our starting PF we could have Snell, Dunleavy and Nikola all off the bench. That is some floor spacing. We keep DJ and that is a killer bench with offensive firepower and crazy shooting.

I know Thibs isn't going to do it, but Taj should start the rest of the year to showcase a half season of being a starter. What's the worst that's going to happen, Boozer pouts? If anything, Gibson's value will only go up, and he could be a part of a trade for a superstar, i.e. Kevin Love.

[DRose4MVP]

Terrence Jones is quickly becoming one of the best young forwards in the game. Highly doubt the Rockets would deal him for MDJ.

[Mightymosdef]

Terrence Jones is quickly becoming one of the best young forwards in the game. Highly doubt the Rockets would deal him for MDJ.

I hear ppl say this but I don't see it? :\