The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[mjaye]

The Bulls have the player salaries to make both trades happen, but doing so would likely put them over the apron (for ref: Rose/Love/Noah/Melo would make a combined $70M next season), which eliminates the BAE and leaves them with the Room MLE. Couple that with the likelihood of it taking the Bulls draft picks, Mirotic, Gibson and Dunleveay to execute both trades and all of a sudden you're left with a solid 5 (Rose/Butler/Melo/Love/Noah) and only the room MLE and vet mins to fill roster spots 6-13.

It'd definitely fit the definition of going "all in," and is likely why the Bulls org won't do it.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

The Bulls have the player salaries to make both trades happen, but doing so would likely put them over the apron (for ref: Rose/Love/Noah/Melo would make a combined $70M next season), which eliminates the BAE and leaves them with the Room MLE. Couple that with the fact it'd likely take a majority of the Bulls draft picks, Mirotic, Gibson and Dunleveay to execute both trades and all of a sudden you're left with a solid 5 (Rose/Butler/Melo/Love/Noah) and only the room MLE and vet mins to fill roster spots 6-13.

It'd definitely fit the definition of going "all in," and is likely why the Bulls org won't do it.

Look at that starting 5 again.

[Jimako10]

So if we do land Love, that means no Melo? Or not

I'd think so..

If the Bulls really want to win now, I think they can still put together a package for Melo. If you get Love, you don't need Gibson, Boozer or Mirotic and have3 of our firsts to trade and 2 other teams first to trade. They could stack the deck.

Boozer, bobcats pick, sac pic, future first for love.

Gibson, ungaurnteeds, Nazr resigned to ungaurteed 3 year deal (year 1 5m guarnteed, Mirotic, our first, future first.

Rose/Kirk/jimmer
Butler/ MDJ/Kirk
Melo/MDJ
Love/MLE Big
Noah/Smith

Contend.....

Do you really think Minny doesn't puke when the bulls offer Boozer, the 16th pick, a pick that most likely will be a 2nd rounder, and a future pick that will most likely be at the end of the 1st? If I were Minny I'd rather let him walk than take that offer to save myself the embarrassment.

[fleet]

The Bulls have the player salaries to make both trades happen, but doing so would likely put them over the apron (for ref: Rose/Love/Noah/Melo would make a combined $70M next season), which eliminates the BAE and leaves them with the Room MLE. Couple that with the likelihood of it taking the Bulls draft picks, Mirotic, Gibson and Dunleveay to execute both trades and all of a sudden you're left with a solid 5 (Rose/Butler/Melo/Love/Noah) and only the room MLE and vet mins to fill roster spots 6-13.

It'd definitely fit the definition of going "all in," and is likely why the Bulls org won't do it.

Its all NOT happening

[TheStig]

I'd think so..

If the Bulls really want to win now, I think they can still put together a package for Melo. If you get Love, you don't need Gibson, Boozer or Mirotic and have3 of our firsts to trade and 2 other teams first to trade. They could stack the deck.

Boozer, bobcats pick, sac pic, future first for love.

Gibson, ungaurnteeds, Nazr resigned to ungaurteed 3 year deal (year 1 5m guarnteed, Mirotic, our first, future first.

Boozer, Nikola, 16, 19 and the Sac pick will need to be offered for Love. We have nothing left besides Gibson to offer for Melo

Rose/Kirk/jimmer
Butler/ MDJ/Kirk
Melo/MDJ
Love/MLE Big
Noah/Smith

Contend.....

If Love demands out, they aren't getting 3 picks and Mirotic. That's his value if they traded him a year or two ago. And Mirotic isn't going to play in Minny, so he is worthless to them. He will however play in NY or LA or Chicago.

And even so, we still have Gibson and 2 future firsts to offer outside of the package for Melo.

Bulls Tradeable assets.
Boozer's expiring.
Gibson
Mirotic
Bulls 2014 1st
Bulls 2016 1st
Bulls 2018 1st
Sac Pick
Bobcats Pick

You have enough to send 3-4 assets to both the Knicks and Wolves and still field a contender. Maybe you have to include Butler in one of the deals worst case.

[WhiteM0nkey]

how is the timing with team USA and rose. seems like he needs to play well and show he is just fine.

[TheStig]

The Bulls have the player salaries to make both trades happen, but doing so would likely put them over the apron (for ref: Rose/Love/Noah/Melo would make a combined $70M next season), which eliminates the BAE and leaves them with the Room MLE. Couple that with the likelihood of it taking the Bulls draft picks, Mirotic, Gibson and Dunleveay to execute both trades and all of a sudden you're left with a solid 5 (Rose/Butler/Melo/Love/Noah) and only the room MLE and vet mins to fill roster spots 6-13.

It'd definitely fit the definition of going "all in," and is likely why the Bulls org won't do it.

Its all NOT happening

Time to grow some balls GarPax.

[G I N T]

Melo or Love - doesn't matter. Both are great players and exactly what we need. The fact that both have expressed strong interest in coming here makes it imperative that we land at least one of them. What an epic failure of an offseason it would be if the Bulls don't land one of Melo/Love and stroll out with the same no-skill grinders of the past 3 years.

[randybrown]

Rumors are rumors, but I will say this. If both Melo & Love change teams this off-season and GarPax ends up with neither, they dont deserve to be execs in the NBA.

Heros if they succeed, outlaws if they fail.
That's the standard we need to set. Get it done already.

[qianlong]

Don't overlook boston. They have a high pick cap space, a good player and history. They could engineer a trade of the pick, bogans, bass and one of their young pf. Sign gortart or trade for asik, sign pierce on a low deal.

Rondo/bradley
FA/bradley
Green/pierce
Love/sullinger
Gortart/faverani

Deep team competive in the east.




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[TheStig]

I'd think so..

If the Bulls really want to win now, I think they can still put together a package for Melo. If you get Love, you don't need Gibson, Boozer or Mirotic and have3 of our firsts to trade and 2 other teams first to trade. They could stack the deck.

Boozer, bobcats pick, sac pic, future first for love.

Gibson, ungaurnteeds, Nazr resigned to ungaurteed 3 year deal (year 1 5m guarnteed, Mirotic, our first, future first.

Rose/Kirk/jimmer
Butler/ MDJ/Kirk
Melo/MDJ
Love/MLE Big
Noah/Smith

Contend.....

Do you really think Minny doesn't puke when the bulls offer Boozer, the 16th pick, a pick that most likely will be a 2nd rounder, and a future pick that will most likely be at the end of the 1st? If I were Minny I'd rather let him walk than take that offer to save myself the embarrassment.

Why does everyone think the sac pick is a future second. It likely ends up better than the Bobcats pick. And 3 1sts is more return then most stars get. Boozer is a filler for a year and an expiring.

The thing that gets thrown a lot around in these Melo and Love talks is what the other team will get. Its not up to them. They didn't do a Dwill type trade. When your player is on an expiring or FA, its up to him where he goes. Not the other way around. Their value is cut in half. So is it better to get 3 1sts or nothing? Minny's fans will lynch them if they get nothing.

[Chitownbulls]

Bulls need to just relax and come up with a plan...

Love an Melo are now available...I think LaMarcus Aldridge is still in play as well. He has already came out and said hes not signing an extension.

So then you have...Melo, Aldridge and Love all available. In that case, I want Melo an Aldridge.

Rose
?
Melo
Aldridge
Noah

Aldridge not signing extension here....
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/124 ... s-aldridge

Bulls still need to worry about Miami...all they have to do is let Wade an Bosh go an retool next summer.

[TheSuzerain]

If we land Love and have sufficient cap space for Melo, there is no way Melo passes that up.

[Jimako10]

If the Bulls really want to win now, I think they can still put together a package for Melo. If you get Love, you don't need Gibson, Boozer or Mirotic and have3 of our firsts to trade and 2 other teams first to trade. They could stack the deck.

Boozer, bobcats pick, sac pic, future first for love.

Gibson, ungaurnteeds, Nazr resigned to ungaurteed 3 year deal (year 1 5m guarnteed, Mirotic, our first, future first.

Rose/Kirk/jimmer
Butler/ MDJ/Kirk
Melo/MDJ
Love/MLE Big
Noah/Smith

Contend.....

Do you really think Minny doesn't puke when the bulls offer Boozer, the 16th pick, a pick that most likely will be a 2nd rounder, and a future pick that will most likely be at the end of the 1st? If I were Minny I'd rather let him walk than take that offer to save myself the embarrassment.

Why does everyone think the sac pick is a future second. It likely ends up better than the Bobcats pick. And 3 1sts is more return then most stars get. Boozer is a filler for a year and an expiring.

The thing that gets thrown a lot around in these Melo and Love talks is what the other team will get. Its not up to them. They didn't do a Dwill type trade. When your player is on an expiring or FA, its up to him where he goes. Not the other way around. Their value is cut in half. So is it better to get 3 1sts or nothing? Minny's fans will lynch them if they get nothing.

I just don't like the idea of gambling to try and grab both. You go all out to grab one, and if it fails, you go all out to grab the other.

[Ralphb07]

If the Bulls really want to win now, I think they can still put together a package for Melo. If you get Love, you don't need Gibson, Boozer or Mirotic and have3 of our firsts to trade and 2 other teams first to trade. They could stack the deck.

Boozer, bobcats pick, sac pic, future first for love.

Gibson, ungaurnteeds, Nazr resigned to ungaurteed 3 year deal (year 1 5m guarnteed, Mirotic, our first, future first.

Boozer, Nikola, 16, 19 and the Sac pick will need to be offered for Love. We have nothing left besides Gibson to offer for Melo

Rose/Kirk/jimmer
Butler/ MDJ/Kirk
Melo/MDJ
Love/MLE Big
Noah/Smith

Contend.....

If Love demands out, they aren't getting 3 picks and Mirotic. That's his value if they traded him a year or two ago. And Mirotic isn't going to play in Minny, so he is worthless to them. He will however play in NY or LA or Chicago.

And even so, we still have Gibson and 2 future firsts to offer outside of the package for Melo.

Bulls Tradeable assets.
Boozer's expiring.
Gibson
Mirotic
Bulls 2014 1st
Bulls 2016 1st
Bulls 2018 1st
Sac Pick
Bobcats Pick

You have enough to send 3-4 assets to both the Knicks and Wolves and still field a contender. Maybe you have to include Butler in one of the deals worst case.

There's a boat load of teams we'd have to trump. The Lakers will offer their pick this year, so will Boston. You're giving them Nikola, 16, 19 and another 1st which still may not trump LA's or Boston offer. Boozer will be the salary filler.

So now that leaves Gibson, Mike, and two picks for Melo. I am not sure NY takes that offer for Melo. Maybe they do, but I am not sure.

After that you have Gibson,

[JohnnyKILLroy]

As unlikely as it may be you can't rule it out. Melo and Love that is.

Our FO would be idiots to not adjust and try to acquire both.

[mjaye]

The Bulls have the player salaries to make both trades happen, but doing so would likely put them over the apron (for ref: Rose/Love/Noah/Melo would make a combined $70M next season), which eliminates the BAE and leaves them with the Room MLE. Couple that with the fact it'd likely take a majority of the Bulls draft picks, Mirotic, Gibson and Dunleveay to execute both trades and all of a sudden you're left with a solid 5 (Rose/Butler/Melo/Love/Noah) and only the room MLE and vet mins to fill roster spots 6-13.

It'd definitely fit the definition of going "all in," and is likely why the Bulls org won't do it.

Look at that starting 5 again.

I don't disagree, it's a dream lineup. And it would truly test JR's contention that he'd pay for a contender. It could happen but you'd likely have to pry Jerry's clenched hands away from the purse strings to make it so.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

If we land Love and have sufficient cap space for Melo, there is no way Melo passes that up.

Exactly.

[Costa78]

Don't overlook boston. They have a high pick cap space, a good player and history. They could engineer a trade of the pick, bogans, bass and one of their young pf. Sign gortart or trade for asik, sign pierce on a low deal.

Rondo/bradley
FA/bradley
Green/pierce
Love/sullinger
Gortart/faverani

Deep team competive in the east.




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That team is severely flawed and still wouldn't matchup to the top 4 or 5 seeds in the east IMO.

[Payt10]

As unlikely as it may be you can't rule it out. Melo and Love that is.

Our FO would be idiots to not adjust and try to acquire both.

They may have been planning to try and acquire both all along.