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After Melodrama, who's the best shooting guard we can get?

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Re: After Melodrama, who's the best shooting guard we can ge 

Post#141 » by kurtatx » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:22 pm

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He's not. Besides not getting along with Derrick, he's just a 8th man at best. Even then, he couldn't get off the Pacer bench which starved for playmaking.

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not a fan of Turner, but to be fair DJ and green both looked terrible in Indy the season before last and look at them now.


Yes, Gerald Green and D.J. Augustin from Indiana's 2012/13 team represent good examples ... They have both improved significantly in the 2013/14 season when they went to teams that represent a better fit for them ... I am not saying that Turner will be the solution for our starting SG spot, but he definitely has some characteristics that make him an interesting prospect, especially in this line up:

Rose/Augustin
Butler/Turner/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Bairstow
Noah/Smith


Still a whole lot of not scoring in that lineup.


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Post#142 » by nitetrain8603 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:36 pm

Rerisen wrote:Setting Stephenson aside for a moment, who is the obvious choice, I would go for Parsons next.

At minimum make Morey pay up the yin yang to get him back.

We don't have to find a SG, it can be a SG or SF, because Jimmy can play both.

Then we should call Minny and right after talking about Love, ask about Kevin Martin.

If they are still trying to win, call again if they move Love to some other team. if Klay Thompson is in Sota, well there you go, deal ready.


You know, I wonder if the Bulls can put together a better package than GSW for Love. If not get Love for ourselves, then help GSW get them by doing a three way in which we end up with Klay Thompson. Then sign Pau Gasol. Our lineup would be something like this:

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Post#143 » by SlikRik7 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:38 pm

This may already have been suggested but could we sign chandler parsons to a nice fat Asik style offer sheet and make it similarly painful for Houston to match?
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Post#144 » by GMgoran » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:45 pm

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not a fan of Turner, but to be fair DJ and green both looked terrible in Indy the season before last and look at them now.


Yes, Gerald Green and D.J. Augustin from Indiana's 2012/13 team represent good examples ... They have both improved significantly in the 2013/14 season when they went to teams that represent a better fit for them ... I am not saying that Turner will be the solution for our starting SG spot, but he definitely has some characteristics that make him an interesting prospect, especially in this line up:

Rose/Augustin
Butler/Turner/Snell
Dunleavy/McDermott
Gibson/Mirotic/Bairstow
Noah/Smith


Still a whole lot of not scoring in that lineup.


Actually, I think that there is quite enough scoring on that team ...

Rose was averaging 21.8 ppg before his injuries ... Augustin was averaging 14.9 ppg with the Bulls last season ... Turner was averaging 17.4 ppg at Philadelphia before he was traded ... Butler was averaging 13.1 ppg with the Bulls last season ... Dunleavy was averaging 11.3 ppg with the Bulls last season ... Gibson was averaging 13.0 ppg with the Bulls last season ... Noah was averaging 12.6 ppg with the Bulls last season ...

Add to that McDermott and Mirotic, who are both elite shooters, and you have a variety of strong offensive weapons on the team ...
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Post#145 » by sco » Sat Jul 5, 2014 1:48 pm

The other guy who would be a good fit with line-up and a great mentor for McD, would be Pierce if we could land him.

I hear Crawford's named mentioned via trade. Sign me up for that. He would be a great 25 MPG starter next to Rose, Jimmy, Taj and Noah. Ball handling, 3pt shooting, can create his own shot. I think he has learned to play more within his game. He can't play big minutes, but we need minutes for McD.
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Post#147 » by DuckIII » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:13 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Why are we looking for a 2G to start? Don't we have Jimmy? If we can't get Melo, I want McDermott starting at SF day one. I am looking for bench 2G, guys to play 15-25 minutes a night.

Stuckey with DJ, Snell and Nikola could be a great 2nd unit.

Heck closing out games with Rose, Stuckey, McDermott, Nikola and Noah would be pretty nasty too.


Its not ever been very popular, but one of the offseason plans I really liked was Stuckey, Mirotic and the draft. I think Stuckey is a great fit for our roster. He bottomed out a little bit the last could of years, which is concerning. But he's always been a strange fit on that roster, in my opinion. Which got worse with Jennings.

He's not a good perimeter shooter, but he can create, penetrate and dish. I think he'd be a great primary back-up 2.
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Post#148 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:16 pm

SlikRik7 wrote:This may already have been suggested but could we sign chandler parsons to a nice fat Asik style offer sheet and make it similarly painful for Houston to match?


No - Houston has Parson's full Bird Rights so the 'Arenas Provision' would not apply.
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Post#149 » by danzou » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:21 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:Why are we looking for a 2G to start? Don't we have Jimmy?


Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.
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Post#150 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:25 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Why are we looking for a 2G to start? Don't we have Jimmy?


Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.


Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.
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Post#151 » by nitetrain8603 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:30 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Why are we looking for a 2G to start? Don't we have Jimmy?


Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.


Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.


Because the same issues arise in that case. How do you stop the Bulls offense? Stop Derrick Rose. Who's going to pick up the playmaking when that happens? If anyone wants to take a page out of San Antonio's books, they should take out the fact that there was always at least 2 playmakers on the floor at all times with each guy being good passers and able to get their own shot off.
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Post#152 » by Indomitable » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:33 pm

Alec Burk is a good prospect and has good stats. He has 20 pt per game potential. He is stuck in Utah. If they resign Hayward. I see an opportunity.
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Post#153 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:34 pm

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Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.


Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.


Because the same issues arise in that case. How do you stop the Bulls offense? Stop Derrick Rose. Who's going to pick up the playmaking when that happens? If anyone wants to take a page out of San Antonio's books, they should take out the fact that there was always at least 2 playmakers on the floor at all times with each guy being good passers and able to get their own shot off.


That's why having a 4/5 with a legitimate post game looks to be such a priority for the Bulls.

Rose doesn't need to carry the load if he has a big to dump the ball into.
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Post#154 » by chitowndish » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:36 pm

I know it isn't flashy but I honestly wouldn't mind the PP angle either. That way we wouldn't be depending on a rookie in our starting lineup, but Pierce wouldn't be around long enough to stand in McBuckets way either. He could hold his own on D and provide some clutch scoring in the playoffs. Could provide a nice transition for McBuckets. He'd also be on a small contract so he'd be easy to move if we have to. Kind of a let down after Melo but I think it could be a good smaller move. I guess going forward if McBuckets is what we think he is I'm fine with him and Butler.
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Post#155 » by punkmodafunk » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:36 pm

I'd be fine with Pierce for 1 year and the 2nd a team option.

He could still be a valuable guy in our roster. He can handle, shoot the 3 and he can still score. And then i'd put our ships on Love for 2015. Maybe we can do a trade for Love in February if Melo doesn't come
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Post#156 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:37 pm

Indomitable wrote:Alec Burk is a good prospect and has good stats. He has 20 pt per game potential. He is stuck in Utah. If they resign Hayward. I see an opportunity.


But what would he cost us to get Utah to part with him?
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Post#157 » by danzou » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:38 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:Why are we looking for a 2G to start? Don't we have Jimmy?


Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.


Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.


Whoa, I think it's way too early to call Taj's post game reliable to the point where it absolves our need for another shot creator.

I hope he gets there but at this point you can't build your team based on that premise.
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Post#158 » by nitetrain8603 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:39 pm

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Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.


Because the same issues arise in that case. How do you stop the Bulls offense? Stop Derrick Rose. Who's going to pick up the playmaking when that happens? If anyone wants to take a page out of San Antonio's books, they should take out the fact that there was always at least 2 playmakers on the floor at all times with each guy being good passers and able to get their own shot off.


That's why having a 4/5 with a legitimate post game looks to be such a priority for the Bulls.

Rose doesn't need to carry the load if he has a big to dump the ball into.


I hope you're right.
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Post#159 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:39 pm

danzou wrote:
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Jimmy can only be a viable starting 2G next to a dynamic shot creating SF. He is an athletic Bruce Bowen without a 3 point shot.


Why does it have to be a 'shot-creating' SF? If we've got Rose creating opportunities for others and a 4/5 with a legitimate post game - I don't see why we couldn't have Butler and Dougie at the 2/3.


Whoa, I think it's way too early to call Taj's post game reliable to the point where it absolves our need for another shot creator.

I hope he gets there but at this point you can't build your team based on that premise.


I'm actually talking about the Bulls reported interest in Pau as a plan B.
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Post#160 » by thejet1711 » Sat Jul 5, 2014 2:41 pm

Trade Taj, Butler, picks for Love (15.7). Realstically with Boozer's salary gone (16.8) and Taj (8m) off the books/no need to extend Butler (2m)..we could then sign Stephenson (9-10m)? Is this accurate?

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