Jimmy Butler Trade - Why and Ideas

[Clint Eastwood]

FWIW, I am watching The Jump right now, and they have a clip of Magic saying that Ingram is the only player on LA's roster that he considers untouchable.

I think 2 OR Russell + filler would be a good deal for JB.


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Pathetic

[Kobe System]

I think 2 OR Russell + filler would be a good deal for JB.


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Fixed.

Pathetic

Just like #2 AND Russell.

[R3AL1TY]

On LA: Can't see them trading all of those pieces. I could see Russell or Ingram or #2/#28/Deng.

On Philly: They'd need to put filler salary in that deal to make work. Hearing on this board that they like Saric too much to include him.

I'd do either, but expect neither.

FWIW, I am watching The Jump right now, and they have a clip of Magic saying that Ingram is the only player on LA's roster that he considers untouchable.

I think 2 and Russell + filler would be a good deal for JB.


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They will be crazy to trade Ball + Russell away. They will have a bigger hole at the PG spot unless they sign a FA like Hill, Teague, or Holiday., which isn't guaranteed. What they may do is trade Randle and Russell + a future 1st if they go after someone like Butler or Rated G.

[Proven_Winner]

FWIW, I am watching The Jump right now, and they have a clip of Magic saying that Ingram is the only player on LA's roster that he considers untouchable.

I think 2 and Russell + filler would be a good deal for JB.


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They will be crazy to trade Ball + Russell away. They will have a bigger hole at the PG spot unless they sign a FA like Hill, Teague, or Holiday., which isn't guaranteed. What they may do is trade Randle and Russell + a future 1st if they go after someone like Butler or Rated G.

Indy would take that but Bulls probably wouldn't. Lakers hold no trump card over us when it comes to jimmy.

[sco]

I'm still of the mind that Russell isn't more than a starter-level talent. So I'm not so sure I like that deal. That said, maybe a deal for JB + Rolo and add in Zubac and Nance and I'd feel better about one or two of that group turned out to be an allstar.

[xpmar9x]

The other idea I like is the 76ers
Bulls trade Butler and Grant for #3, 18 Lakers pick and Okafor

This gives us a young lineup and two top 5 picks for 18 and we can see what players we should keep going forward. we would have a really bad record this year but after the 18 draft we would be a young upcoming team

Fox/ rondo
Valentine
zipster/
Portis/
Okafor/Felico

I would also try to trade to trade Lopez and 16 to move up into the 7-12 range

That's the trade im loving: Butler & Grant for Okafor, #3, & '18 LAL 1st. I voted Boston in the poll, but besides Fultz I have a feeling they'll try to throw their vet assets (Crowder, Smart, etc) at us. Once that happens Garpax will try to still contend instead of going full youth movement. Do the Philly trade, flip Rolo, let Wade/Rondo walk, and start the long road of rebuilding. Suck next year and land a high lotto pick next year along with the Lakers pick.

[chrispatrick]

Ugh, the lakers have one real asset and it's the number 2 pick. It's unlikely any if their other players outperform their 2nd contracts and those are the kind of players who make any kind of difference in the NBA.

Just like we only have one real asset and that's butler. I completely understand if they prefer to go ball and take shots rebuilding, but without that asset, its offensive to think their collection of busts is worth more than butler just as it is offensive to them to give away their asset for a right now guy in butler in the middle of a rebuild.

The lakers are just a bad match as their current roster sucks and they don't want to trade their pick. Boston and the 76ers are the only realistic options since philly has the space and young talent to do something around butler/Simmons/embiid.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

[DuckIII]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

[Chi town]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

Sixers and Suns have been the best trade partners imo.

Sixers Pick and Lakers Pick next season.

Suns Pick, Warren, and Chriss/Bender
I like Bender as a 3D 5. Think he's better than Zack Collins in this draft. Bulls would dump RoLo too.

Rondo/Fox/Payne
Val/Grant
OG/Zip
Niko/Portis
Bender/Jeanne

That team is bottom 5 next season. 2 top 5 picks and big cap space for 2015.

[realEAST]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

I wouldn't be so down on 2018 pick if it is BKN one, because that draft class is even better, at least at the very top, than this one.

Besides, since it is a year removed, we could get some additional assets to go with pick - and Celts fan will help me here - I think at least two out of J. Brown, 2019 MEM pick and Rozier could be included. Depending on what comes back, we could than try to move up in this draft, if anyone interesting falls to reachable range.

Use next season to assess and develop our youngster and have quite possibly two top4 picks in top three draft (Porter, Ayton, Doncic), with Bamba being fourth prospect with high ceiling.

I wouldn't mind this kind of scenario at all.

[Gant]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

I wouldn't be so down on 2018 pick if it is BKN one, because that draft class is even better, at least at the very top, than this one.

Besides, since it is a year removed, we could get some additional assets to go with pick - and Celts fan will help me here - I think at least two out of J. Brown, 2019 MEM pick and Rozier could be included. Depending on what comes back, we could than try to move up in this draft, if anyone interesting falls to reachable range.

Use next season to assess and develop our youngster and have quite possibly two top4 picks in top three draft (Porter, Ayton, Doncic), with Bamba being fourth prospect with high ceiling.

I wouldn't mind this kind of scenario at all.

I think it's hard for the Bulls and Celtics to both find common ground, and to prioritize each other as the best possible trade partners when both have so many other options... ...including for the Bulls, just not trading Butler at all.

A lot has to fall into place for something like this to happen. You never know though.

[NADROJ]

What would the Celtics need to add to the 2018 Nets pick for Jimmy? Just curious as to who'd you guys want back.

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

I'm actually not opposed to the '18 Nets pick as a starting point, as next years draft is pretty loaded at the top. With the Nets pick and their own pick, the Bulls would have a couple great shots at the Top 4. I think from there, Crowder would have be involved. And, with his contract, I'm guessing he could easily be flipped to someone like Denver for their 2017 pick. Maybe you could even get a bit more from Denver, Crowder really seems like a perfect fit the more I look at it.

Suddenly, you're working with the 2017 #13 and #16 picks along with two Top 2018 picks. Bradley would have to be added for salary purposes and has value, exactly what I'm not sure.

Perhaps this is unrealistic, but I don't hate it. It might not be a best case scenario for the Bulls, but it's at least something I'd consider.

[realEAST]

That's why I don't consider the Celtics a trade partner anymore. Once they won the lottery, knowing they would no longer include the '17 pick, it was over.

If I am trading Butler I am doing it for packages involving THIS impressive draft class.

The Celtics and Lakers are basically dead to me.

I wouldn't be so down on 2018 pick if it is BKN one, because that draft class is even better, at least at the very top, than this one.

Besides, since it is a year removed, we could get some additional assets to go with pick - and Celts fan will help me here - I think at least two out of J. Brown, 2019 MEM pick and Rozier could be included. Depending on what comes back, we could than try to move up in this draft, if anyone interesting falls to reachable range.

Use next season to assess and develop our youngster and have quite possibly two top4 picks in top three draft (Porter, Ayton, Doncic), with Bamba being fourth prospect with high ceiling.

I wouldn't mind this kind of scenario at all.

I think it's hard for the Bulls and Celtics to both find common ground, and to prioritize each other as the best possible trade partners when both have so many other options... ...including for the Bulls, just not trading Butler at all.

A lot has to fall into place for something like this to happen. You never know though.

That is true. I think likelihood of Butler trade increases greatly if Boston is able to land one FA superstar (Hayward, Griffin, both make sense).
But even if they don't, I think 2018 BKN pick might be common ground where Bulls and Celtics might find some solution, since Boston goes all in now, while keeping some of the future in Futlz and Brown or Memphis pick, depending which one goes to Bulls in trade.

Matter of fact, I don't see teams jumping after Butler - those who have assets like 76-er, Lakers or Suns (not counting Kings, they just traded Cousins) don't really have incentive. 76-ers might be the most likely one, but I think injury (Embiid, Simmons) uncertainty makes them wait for another season.

So, deal around 2018 BKN pick might actually be our most likely way of getting rebuilding package for Butler, and quite possibly the best. (I'd put a hypothetical, 76-er offering a deal around 2017 #3 and 2018 LAL pick, as one I'd rather do if there, but I think Celtics would be more likely to offer deal in this context)

[hoosierdude12]

I think a trade that fits everybody's needs is between the Kings and the Bulls.

Kings Get: Jimmy Butler,
Bulls Get: 5th, 10th, Kosta Koufos (salary matching)

The reason is because the Kings will need a SF to replace Gay or move Gay to PF. They will get a great younger player to go with their young team.

The Bulls would be parting with a Top 15 player but receive picks to rebuild. Fox or Tatum with the 5th, Anunoby with the 10th and maybe Kennard or Allen with the 16th.

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[Gant]

I wouldn't be so down on 2018 pick if it is BKN one, because that draft class is even better, at least at the very top, than this one.

Besides, since it is a year removed, we could get some additional assets to go with pick - and Celts fan will help me here - I think at least two out of J. Brown, 2019 MEM pick and Rozier could be included. Depending on what comes back, we could than try to move up in this draft, if anyone interesting falls to reachable range.

Use next season to assess and develop our youngster and have quite possibly two top4 picks in top three draft (Porter, Ayton, Doncic), with Bamba being fourth prospect with high ceiling.

I wouldn't mind this kind of scenario at all.

I think it's hard for the Bulls and Celtics to both find common ground, and to prioritize each other as the best possible trade partners when both have so many other options... ...including for the Bulls, just not trading Butler at all.

A lot has to fall into place for something like this to happen. You never know though.

That is true. I think likelihood of Butler trade increases greatly if Boston is able to land one FA superstar (Hayward, Griffin, both make sense).
But even if they don't, I think 2018 BKN pick might be common ground where Bulls and Celtics might find some solution, since Boston goes all in now, while keeping some of the future in Futlz and Brown or Memphis pick, depending which one goes to Bulls in trade.

Matter of fact, I don't see teams jumping after Butler - those who have assets like 76-er, Lakers or Suns (not counting Kings, they just traded Cousins) don't really have incentive. 76-ers might be the most likely one, but I think injury (Embiid, Simmons) uncertainty makes them wait for another season.

So, deal around 2018 BKN pick might actually be our most likely way of getting rebuilding package for Butler, and quite possibly the best. (I'd put a hypothetical, 76-er offering a deal around 2017 #3 and 2018 LAL pick, as one I'd rather do if there, but I think Celtics would be more likely to offer deal in this context)

That's well thought out and I particularly agree with the bolded part. At the deadline Butler was the next piece the Celtics were looking for. Now, he's more likely to be the final piece. In other words if the Celtics make a preliminary acquisition where Butler puts Boston into true contention, they're more apt to pull the trigger.

A trade centered around BKN 18 makes sense for reasons others have stated above.

[realEAST]

I think it's hard for the Bulls and Celtics to both find common ground, and to prioritize each other as the best possible trade partners when both have so many other options... ...including for the Bulls, just not trading Butler at all.

A lot has to fall into place for something like this to happen. You never know though.

That is true. I think likelihood of Butler trade increases greatly if Boston is able to land one FA superstar (Hayward, Griffin, both make sense).
But even if they don't, I think 2018 BKN pick might be common ground where Bulls and Celtics might find some solution, since Boston goes all in now, while keeping some of the future in Futlz and Brown or Memphis pick, depending which one goes to Bulls in trade.

Matter of fact, I don't see teams jumping after Butler - those who have assets like 76-er, Lakers or Suns (not counting Kings, they just traded Cousins) don't really have incentive. 76-ers might be the most likely one, but I think injury (Embiid, Simmons) uncertainty makes them wait for another season.

So, deal around 2018 BKN pick might actually be our most likely way of getting rebuilding package for Butler, and quite possibly the best. (I'd put a hypothetical, 76-er offering a deal around 2017 #3 and 2018 LAL pick, as one I'd rather do if there, but I think Celtics would be more likely to offer deal in this context)

That's well thought out and I particularly agree with the bolded part. At the deadline Butler was the next piece the Celtics were looking for. Now, he's more likely to be the final piece. In other words if the Celtics make a preliminary acquisition where Butler puts Boston into true contention, they're more apt to pull the trigger.

A trade centered around BKN 18 makes sense for reasons others have stated above.

I think ECF showed Celtics they are two stars away, so unless they first book one through FA (most likely) I doubt they go after another.

[Nate3carp]

I'd trade Jimmy to LA for #2/Ingram if we could flip #2 plus a small asset to Sacramento for #5/#10/Cauley-Stein.

So, #5 / #10 / Ingram / Cauley-Stein for Jimmy.



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[hoosierdude12]

I'd trade Jimmy to LA for #2/Ingram if we could flip #2 plus a small asset to Sacramento for #5/#10/Cauley-Stein.

So, #5 / #10 / Ingram / Cauley-Stein for Jimmy.



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I think the Bulls would be best trading with the Kings as well. I don't know what they would part with, but that makes more sense than my trade. We would get more back in return. I don't know how salaries would match up on it

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