Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[Axolotl]

I quite like John Wall the player, have no clue on John Wall the teammate/person, and think the contract John Wall is attached to is horrendous. I don't like the idea of tying the Bulls into that contract for four and a half years.

[bigworld2017]

I quite like John Wall the player, have no clue on John Wall the teammate/person, and think the contract John Wall is attached to is horrendous. I don't like the idea of tying the Bulls into that contract for four and a half years.

Wall and Chris Paul might have the two worst contracts in the league over the next 2-3 years. 1/3 of the team salary cap for diminishing production. LeBron in his prime, Durant in his prime might justify those lofty salary numbers. Maybe Giannis when his contract gets extended. I can't think of many other players who justify utilizing 1/3 of the salary cap on.

[patryk7754]

Was bored so I thought I'd come up with some trade scenarios for John Wall

Pistons
Trade Luke Kennard, Reggie Jackson and 1st round pick

Knicks
Trade Enes Kanter, Kevin Knox, and 1st round pick

Pacers
Trade Darren Collinson, Thad Young, and 1st round pick

Heat
Trade Goran Dragic and Justice Winslow

Suns
Trade Ryan Anderson, Mykal Bridges, and 1st

Jazz
Ricky Rubio, Alec Burks, and 1st

I think the type of team that is most likely going to trade for Wall will be a team that needs one more star but can't afford to sign one. That means teams like the Pistons, Pacers and Jazz are most likely to pull the trigger on a Wall trade when it comes to contenders, IMO. Overall, I believe the two frontrunners are the Suns and Knicks. They both need PGs, have lots of cap space and very good assets to trade away. Wall, Porzingis, Hardaway, plus a FA (maybe Durant?) would be instant contenders. Wall, Booker, Jackson, Ayton would be a top team in the West

[panthermark]

Knicks and Suns....with the Knicks being the most likely spot. Where is Isiah Thomas?

[qianlong]

For the change of scenario idea what about Josh Jackson?
He is not great or even good now, but he is behind Ariza, Warren and Bridges in phoenix depth chart. I think he may be a buy low candidate.
I would consider trades centered around Portis or Holiday. I don't know what would they want.
I would prefer Bridges but I guess he is off the table.

[Ayman78]

This is a dream trade possibility for the Bulls organization. I don't see Chicago's management having the fortitude to actually pull the trigger on this trade.

Very few teams could offer a rebuilding package to the Pelicans to trade Anthony Davis. Lakers, Celtics, Suns and Bulls.

Bulls trade the following: Wendell Carter Jr., Kris Dunn, Bobby Portis and Robin Lopez(cap equalization)along with this Year's 1st round unprotected and a 2021 1st unprotected.

Pelicans trade: Anthony Davis, roster fillers Trevon Bluiett and Frank Jackson.

Bulls new starting 5
PG: Ryan Arcidiacono
SG: Zach Lavine
SF: Chandler Hutchison(?)
PF: Laurie Markkanen
C: Anthony Davis

[leo921]

My package for Anthony Davis would be a little bit different.

Bulls trade - Lavine (19.5 per/ 4yrs) , Markkanen ( 5 per/3 yrs) and 2019 pick unprotected

for

Pelicans trade - Anthony Davis (25m per 2yrs, then Player Option) and Moore (8.8m per /2 yrs)

Bulls not only get Anthony Davis but they have money in FA with Parker, Lopez, Holiday and Asik coming off the books. Who wouldn't want to play with Davis and Carter in Chicago? If not that's okay as the Bulls will be able to make an uneven salary trade in order to pickup stars and good players. The Bulls would have a good uptempo defensive team that can do damage in the east. Dunn, Davis and Carter is a good starting core.

Dunn/archi
Moore/blakney
Holiday/Hutchinson/Parker
Davis/Portis
Carter/Lopez

Pelicans get a great package for Davis, a better package then the Cavs and Spurs got for there stars. They can have a young uptempo team that can start to build a more solid future. Jrue Holiday, Lavine, Markkanen and Niko plus 2 high lotto picks (bulls and Pelicans) is a good start to the rebuild.

Holiday
Lavine
Johnson
Niko
Markkanen/

[Ayman78]

I do like the idea of Laurie Markkanen and Nikola Mirotic playing together as super stretch 4 and 5. But, I also like the idea of Laurie and AD as a 4 and 5 combo.

[ralphisBullsFan]

If the FO has no plans on resigning Holiday then now would be the time to move him before he cools off. He's 3pt % is probably as high as it's going to get, he's been rebounding very well for a SF and his defense has been better than last year. Holiday is the type of player Houston, Philly and other playoffs teams will always be interested in. I'm very curious to see what we could get for him.

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Every AD trades makes us become the Pels 2.0.

[rtblues]

I think everyone needs to come to terms with AD not signing in CHI.
Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

[Ayman78]

I think everyone needs to come to terms with AD not signing in CHI.
Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

I don't think he would sign as a free agent, but if he's acquired through trade I do think the chances of him resigning with the Bulls pretty high.

[kozelkid]

I think everyone needs to come to terms with AD not signing in CHI.
Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

I don't think he would sign as a free agent, but if he's acquired through trade I do think the chances of him resigning with the Bulls pretty high.

Perhaps, but with the type of package it's going to take to get him, I feel like we'll likely find ourselves in the same position as New Orleans currently is.

The reality is that while he's an incredible player, I feel like only Boston, Philly or GSW can realistically trade for him and then not find themselves topping out as a 2nd round team at best since at this point we also have to factor in the salary constraints he'd present with his incoming supermax. That is unless we presume that the combination of him and the city of Chicago would be enough to entice other desirable free agents to join us.

[Ayman78]

I think everyone needs to come to terms with AD not signing in CHI.
Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

I don't think he would sign as a free agent, but if he's acquired through trade I do think the chances of him resigning with the Bulls pretty high.

Perhaps, but with the type of package it's going to take to get him, I feel like we'll likely find ourselves in the same position as New Orleans currently is.

The reality is that while he's an incredible player, I feel like only Boston, Philly or GSW can realistically trade for him and then not find themselves topping out as a 2nd round team at best since at this point we also have to factor in the salary constraints he'd present with his incoming supermax. That is unless we presume that the combination of him and the city of Chicago would be enough to entice other desirable free agents to join us.

I see a stronger infrastructure with Laurie Markkanen and Zach Lavine being a second and third scoring options respectively than the Pelicans. Mirotic is better than Markkanen is right now, but not long-term. I see Dunn and Holiday as similar players, clearly Holiday is better but not so much better that the dynamic changes much.

A possible starting line up of:
PG: Dunn (if not included in trade)
SG: Lavine
SF: Holiday
PF: Markkanen
C: Davis

Versus
PG: Holiday
SG: Moore
SF: Johnson
PF: Mirotic
C: Davis

[Peelboy]

I think everyone needs to come to terms with AD not signing in CHI.
Expectation is the mother of disappointment.

I don't think he would sign as a free agent, but if he's acquired through trade I do think the chances of him resigning with the Bulls pretty high.

Perhaps, but with the type of package it's going to take to get him, I feel like we'll likely find ourselves in the same position as New Orleans currently is.

The reality is that while he's an incredible player, I feel like only Boston, Philly or GSW can realistically trade for him and then not find themselves topping out as a 2nd round team at best since at this point we also have to factor in the salary constraints he'd present with his incoming supermax. That is unless we presume that the combination of him and the city of Chicago would be enough to entice other desirable free agents to join us.

Boston? Unless NOP have a hardon for Gordon Hayward or Boston includes Tatum I can't see it. Their other assets are SAC/MEM picks, which currently are both non-lottery and even assuming some regression won't be top picks barring luck. And Jaylen Brown, who is a complementary player at best and having a down year even as that. Bulls would have a better offer with just their pick (higher than either SAC or MEM) and one of Lauri/Carter (younger/more upside than Brown). And Bulls have more they can offer.

I stand by my earlier thought that I would do ideally Portis and one of Lauri/Wendell and the Bulls unprotected #1 and take back salary. I'd even go as far as both Lauri and Wendell and the pick. AD-Portis-Hutch-Lavine-Dunn is a solid 2-way lineup with 2 go-to scorers (and maybe Portis as another strong scorer) and three excellent defenders (Dunn/Hutch/AD) and you could retain Parker at a lower salary as a supersub.

[sco]

Saw this on Rotoworld site: http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nba/basketball-player-news/

The Rockets are reportedly focused on acquiring wing talent.

Houston has opened the season with a 9-10 record, and while their offense is beginning to round into form, there's still a lot to be desired on the defensive end of the floor. Kelly Iko of The Athletic reports that the Rockets have expressed interest in Markieff Morris, Jeff Green, Kelly Oubre Jr., Justin Holiday and J.R. Smith, so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Related: Kelly Oubre, Markieff Morris, J.R. Smith, Jeff Green, Justin Holiday
Source: The Athletic

Maybe Holiday for Chriss and a 2nd?

[Repeat 3-peat]

With Korver gone, Holiday becomes the best wing on the market.

Holiday, Payne to Philly for Fultz, 19' Bulls 2nd round pick

[GimmeDat]

I've changed my tone on Fultz after looking at just how much that rookie scale deal is.

8.3m this season, 9.7m the next, TO at 12.2m, QO at 15.9m.

For a guy that is barely a rotation player at the moment and is facing long odds to try and rework his jumper and fix his career, that's a massive opportunity cost. I'm all for him as a flyer but with that much salary I'm not sure I'm on board.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I believe many fans and GM's for that matter are back and forth on the idea of Fultz due to his salary but one thing for sure if the Bulls trade Holiday that is the type of deal they should be looking for since It's not likely a team offers up a 1st.

Not sure what the Bulls will or can sign in 2019 but doubt it'll be much so his salary doesn't bother me "that much". If it doesn't work out cut ties in 2020

[Onibuh]

Wall and Porter together would send Felicio, Lopez and Parker the other way? I don't think WSH is interested in a deal like this.