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PG: Close, but no cigar

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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#141 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:04 am

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He was amazing on Randle. Everyone talks about the rebounds, but really it was the 3s that killed us. I think we should just go one of one against Randle. In this game Kemba was red hot from 3 which was the biggest difference. Also I think we allowed them to double us too easily. This is where I said we would have really needed Coby this game. If they let Coby those wide open shots they would get killed. Ball, Brown,Caruso had looks but couldnt hurt the Knicks like they should have. We will adjust to this.


Honest question. Do you really think Lonzo Ball can stop Julius Randle man on man? Randle has to have 40lb on him and can simply bully him inside. The Bulls don't even think that because they rotated to Randle when he was isolated and that led to easy buckets and open 3s. Also you run the risk of getting Lonzo into foul trouble early if you stick him on Randle.

Lets see Randle's numbers when the two play again. I suspect he had an off night more than anything.


There's a five-second back to the basket rule. Lonzo may not have the bulk/girth, but he has the length, wiry strength, and guts to defend a guy like Randle for five seconds. CP3 has been routinely defending bigs for his whole career, and he's six inches shorter.


Randle is slow with the ball too and Ball is a ball hawk. Bad matchup for Randle in some ways. He has an easier time with Vuc in some ways. Not calling Randle bad but he can be figured out.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#142 » by robillionaire » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:04 am

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yifsuibfe1 wrote:Not getting that clear path foul call stings more after the result


Yeah that was some BS. How the hell did the refs miss that???



They didn't just miss it, they reviewed it and somehow came to the conclusion that it didn't qualify. No explanation on TV so who knows? Seemed pretty obvious to me.


My reasoning was that he never had control of the ball after he poked it away and they fouled him before he ever obtained possession. but someone can check the rule book on that

anyway just wanted to drop by and say good game, I thought we lost, was pretty cool to see the bulls fans cheering for rose like that, should be a fun series this season
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#143 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:05 am

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Grodoboldo wrote:We're better than the Knicks. Shots didn't fall, calls went the other way, we missed many defensive rotations and gave up offensive rebounds, and still only lost by one.

On to the next game.


People see what they want to see I suppose. NY controlled the game with their best player scoring a total of 13 points. NY lead by 13 with 2 minutes left in the game.

The final score might look close but the Bulls internally know that NY poses huge matchup problems for them.

BTW, if LaVine scores 13 points at MSG the Bulls would get run off the floor. They simply lack NY's scoring depth.

Kemba & Fournier were shrewd additions by NY. Veteran professional shot makers that can space the floor.

OTOH, NY basically left Lonzo unguarded and focused their defense on LaVine & DeRozan.

Knicks should be more worried after this. They played their best game and were hitting shots all game long while the bulls didn’t play well, yet they only lost by 1 pt. Knicks might have played better and won tonight but they are not the better team.



Agree, but they are still the better team until we prove we can be consistent, which they have been. I think we can but we hve to earn it still.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#144 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:06 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Hey. Great game. Your team defense is incredible. You could use some rim protection off the bench. You’ll be there all year.

Thanks man. You guys too! A playoff series between us 2 would be some good TV!
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#145 » by Jo Jo English » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:06 am

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My reasoning was that he never had control of the ball after he poked it away and they fouled him before he ever obtained possession. but someone can check the rule book on that

anyway just wanted to drop by and say good game, I thought we lost, was pretty cool to see the bulls fans cheering for rose like that, should be a fun series this season


That is my assumption as well.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#146 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:07 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Hey. Great game. Your team defense is incredible. You could use some rim protection off the bench. You’ll be there all year.

Thanks man. You guys too! A playoff series between us 2 would be some good TV!


Oh yeah. It’ll be a blood bath. Like the late 80s early 90s. Bodies were flying. :lol:
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#147 » by SfBull » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:07 am

biggestbullsfan wrote:I am happy that Tony Bradley got to play and looked decent. He needs more clock. And probably will if Pat is out for some time.

Also, we need Coby to come back and bring some scoring with him too lol

Let's give some playing time for DJJ,he can be useful for the upcoming tough schedule.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#148 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:07 am

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People see what they want to see I suppose. NY controlled the game with their best player scoring a total of 13 points. NY lead by 13 with 2 minutes left in the game.

The final score might look close but the Bulls internally know that NY poses huge matchup problems for them.

BTW, if LaVine scores 13 points at MSG the Bulls would get run off the floor. They simply lack NY's scoring depth.

Kemba & Fournier were shrewd additions by NY. Veteran professional shot makers that can space the floor.

OTOH, NY basically left Lonzo unguarded and focused their defense on LaVine & DeRozan.

Knicks should be more worried after this. They played their best game and were hitting shots all game long while the bulls didn’t play well, yet they only lost by 1 pt. Knicks might have played better and won tonight but they are not the better team.



Agree, but they are still the better team until we prove we can be consistent, which they have been. I think we can but we hve to earn it still.


Knicks are better. I think our top of the roster(Zach/Vuc/Derozan) is better, but they don’t have glaring weakness like we do. They have size, depth, good shooters all over the roster and 6th man of year candidate in Rose.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#149 » by Grodoboldo » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:08 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Hey. Great game. Your team defense is incredible. You could use some rim protection off the bench. You’ll be there all year.


:lol: at your title!

Thanks man! Great to have games against you guys meaning something again!
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#150 » by mtron32 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:08 am

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People see what they want to see I suppose. NY controlled the game with their best player scoring a total of 13 points. NY lead by 13 with 2 minutes left in the game.

The final score might look close but the Bulls internally know that NY poses huge matchup problems for them.

BTW, if LaVine scores 13 points at MSG the Bulls would get run off the floor. They simply lack NY's scoring depth.

Kemba & Fournier were shrewd additions by NY. Veteran professional shot makers that can space the floor.

OTOH, NY basically left Lonzo unguarded and focused their defense on LaVine & DeRozan.

Knicks should be more worried after this. They played their best game and were hitting shots all game long while the bulls didn’t play well, yet they only lost by 1 pt. Knicks might have played better and won tonight but they are not the better team.



Agree, but they are still the better team until we prove we can be consistent, which they have been. I think we can but we hve to earn it still.


Knicks are solid, they had a full year of growth with that squad and a playoff run with some added firepower over the offseason. We are five games into a season long growth period for these Bulls, hopefully they improve incrementally through November, there's some winnable games in there for us.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#151 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:08 am

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mmmmmbeeer wrote:
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Yeah that was some BS. How the hell did the refs miss that???



They didn't just miss it, they reviewed it and somehow came to the conclusion that it didn't qualify. No explanation on TV so who knows? Seemed pretty obvious to me.


My reasoning was that he never had control of the ball after he poked it away and they fouled him before he ever obtained possession. but someone can check the rule book on that

anyway just wanted to drop by and say good game, I thought we lost, was pretty cool to see the bulls fans cheering for rose like that, should be a fun series this season



Knicks are a team that well look like a Thibs team. Always a punchers chance and everyone is afraid of. Really to be scary, if RJ breaks out then they will be tough to handle for anyone. It is just great for the Knicks/Bulls to be a legit game. I love the Knicks being good honestly. NYK fans are my favorite even if they are a hyperbole, that's what makes it fun.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#152 » by HomoSapien » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:09 am

Tough loss. It’s still weird being on the other end of a Thibs defense.

We lost, in part, because we’re too small. Lonzo did a commendable job, but this problem is going to plague us all season long until we address it.

I’d love to know why we said no to Theis, Thad Young, and Nance. All three would help tremendously.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#153 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:10 am

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robillionaire wrote:
mmmmmbeeer wrote:

They didn't just miss it, they reviewed it and somehow came to the conclusion that it didn't qualify. No explanation on TV so who knows? Seemed pretty obvious to me.


My reasoning was that he never had control of the ball after he poked it away and they fouled him before he ever obtained possession. but someone can check the rule book on that

anyway just wanted to drop by and say good game, I thought we lost, was pretty cool to see the bulls fans cheering for rose like that, should be a fun series this season



Knicks are a team that well look like a Thibs team. Always a punchers chance and everyone is afraid of. Really to be scary, if RJ breaks out then they will be tough to handle for anyone. It is just great for the Knicks/Bulls to be a legit game. I love the Knicks being good honestly. NYK fans are my favorite even if they are a hyperbole, that's what makes it fun.


I really don’t like the Knicks. I probably hate losing them to more than any other team.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#154 » by Red8911 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:10 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:Rewatch Ball on Randle in the 4th. He made Randle look like playoff Randle.

Yup, that's when the Bulls stopped doubling him, Zo had him locked up.

He really did and he got to Randles head as well. Frustrated him. Ball didn’t help much offensively but atleast we know that defensively he will be useful. That’s actually important.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#155 » by smw6230 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:12 am

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People see what they want to see I suppose. NY controlled the game with their best player scoring a total of 13 points. NY lead by 13 with 2 minutes left in the game.

The final score might look close but the Bulls internally know that NY poses huge matchup problems for them.

BTW, if LaVine scores 13 points at MSG the Bulls would get run off the floor. They simply lack NY's scoring depth.

Kemba & Fournier were shrewd additions by NY. Veteran professional shot makers that can space the floor.

OTOH, NY basically left Lonzo unguarded and focused their defense on LaVine & DeRozan.

Knicks should be more worried after this. They played their best game and were hitting shots all game long while the bulls didn’t play well, yet they only lost by 1 pt. Knicks might have played better and won tonight but they are not the better team.



Agree, but they are still the better team until we prove we can be consistent, which they have been. I think we can but we hve to earn it still.


I'll close on this.

If LaVine scored 13 at MSG and Chicago controlled the game and won by one, few people here would be concerned about NY as the general view would be "our best player played their worst game and we not only won, but we controlled the game".

NY would be viewed here as little more than future (playoff) roadkill.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#156 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:13 am

Grodoboldo wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Hey. Great game. Your team defense is incredible. You could use some rim protection off the bench. You’ll be there all year.


:lol: at your title!

Thanks man! Great to have games against you guys meaning something again!


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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#157 » by mmmmmbeeer » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:13 am

HomoSapien wrote:We lost, in part, because we’re too small. Lonzo did a commendable job, but this problem is going to plague us all season long until we address it.

I’d love to know why we said no to Theis, Thad Young, and Nance. All three would help tremendously.


5th game of the season and our lack of depth was exposed by a single rough fall. Not great, Bob.
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Post#158 » by Fastbrk4brkfast » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:14 am

That was educational.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#159 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:15 am

mmmmmbeeer wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:We lost, in part, because we’re too small. Lonzo did a commendable job, but this problem is going to plague us all season long until we address it.

I’d love to know why we said no to Theis, Thad Young, and Nance. All three would help tremendously.


5th game of the season and our lack of depth was exposed by a single rough fall. Not great, Bob.


It was exposed before the fall. Williams doesn’t close games for us. It’s always that 4 guard line.
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Re: PG: Close, but no cigar 

Post#160 » by Red8911 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:16 am

Highlight of the game has to be Caruso making that sick no look pass to Lavine for the dunk followed by the goggles pose from both of them which causes Lavine to trip and fall lol.

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