Shams: Bulls extend Vuc (3/60)

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Sounds like Vuc is getting like a 25% raw paycut despite making ostensibly big contributions the last couple years to our "success".

Although it may very well still end up being a bad deal, it does show a decent level of skill and discipline by the FO IMO. It is not common for not-old players of his caliber to agree to pay cut deals to stay with the club. I'm kind of impressed by both sides in agreeing to the deal. Usually one side of a situation like this wants out. Vuc was an all star, maxish contract type producer on the surface in Orlando. We traded a lot for him, he showed he's a quality player but not any sort of star, and he and the team agreed on a long term commitment at a big pay cut, but still very substantial pay. This kind of thing is good for the league. It was always bad that name-type players would keep making more every year until they were too old, like well into mid to late 30s, and then fall off a cliff money wise and play for the min for a year or two. It's much better for roster management around the league for player-team relationships to be able to endure even on the decline. Cause decline from peak to no longer rotation worthy can legit take a decade for some guys (from about 30 to 40 years old or whatever). Ramping down of salaries is good in general. Peak pay should be around 28-32 years old IMO.

[nekorajo]

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Those were his contract year stats. Let's see what he does now that his money is guaranteed. Will he come to training camp in shape? Will he stay healthy? Well his temper tantrums increase or decrease? I'm not getting my hopes up.

[dougthonus]

I’m not exactly sure that WCJ is a better player than Vuc. Younger? Yes. But not necessarily better.

WCJ is better in all the impact stats, destroys Vuc every time they match up head to head, and seems pretty clearly better to me.

Also, Vuc (on this deal) will make a little over 18M this year. WCJ will make about 13.5. Less, but not by half. Just me being a bit technical I guess.

Until we know the terms of Vuc's deal it's impossible to say. I'm just assuming he's on a flat 20/20/20 for now, but who knows. If we assume 3/60 is guaranteed, than WCJ is something like 36M vs 60M over 3 years which is close enough to half for my throw away comment level of precision.

[chitownsports4ever]

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A better player than Vuc

I doubt it but I guess its something to strive towards

You probably could’ve gotten DeJounte Murray who’s a better player than Vuc.

Why Dejounte why not Lebron ? Afterall the whole league has seen the exploits of the hindsight big three ..ohhh what couldve been

[PJSteven22]

I doubt it but I guess its something to strive towards

You probably could’ve gotten DeJounte Murray who’s a better player than Vuc.

Why Dejounte why not Lebron ? Afterall the whole league has seen the exploits of the hindsight big three ..ohhh what couldve been

You missed the point I was throwing out a hypothetical

[ChiTownHero1992]

Decent deal honestly, i expected them to overpay quite a bit more. I was really expecting to see minimum 3/75-80 glad it was 60 that seems very reasonable and moveable if they need to

[Dez]

Good deal.

[MrSparkle]

Other aspect of this… cap is making a sizable 10% jump from $123m to 136m.

Anyway, AK is pretty straight-forward in his press conferences. He said Vuc’s a big part of this process. I don’t think he signed him to trade him tomorrow.

Meanwhile his subtle disappointment in Zach was more apparent. I think the asking price is high, but a deal will get done. After the FA dust settles, there will be 2-4 teams left, looking to buy.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I’m not exactly sure that WCJ is a better player than Vuc. Younger? Yes. But not necessarily better.

WCJ is better in all the impact stats, destroys Vuc every time they match up head to head, and seems pretty clearly better to me.

Also, Vuc (on this deal) will make a little over 18M this year. WCJ will make about 13.5. Less, but not by half. Just me being a bit technical I guess.

Until we know the terms of Vuc's deal it's impossible to say. I'm just assuming he's on a flat 20/20/20 for now, but who knows. If we assume 3/60 is guaranteed, than WCJ is something like 36M vs 60M over 3 years which is close enough to half for my throw away comment level of precision.

I guess it’s just an agree to disagree situation for me. I don’t think anyone is any more worried about WCJ than they are Vuc. Not to mention the fact that WCJ tends to miss a lot of time even dating back to his time here.

[The Box Office]

Will be traded eventually.

[chitownsports4ever]

You probably could’ve gotten DeJounte Murray who’s a better player than Vuc.

Why Dejounte why not Lebron ? Afterall the whole league has seen the exploits of the hindsight big three ..ohhh what couldve been

You missed the point I was throwing out a hypothetical

so was I

If all we are gonna do is live in the past and pine over the best case hypotheticals of what could've happened then why not choose the very best hypotheticals ?

[PJSteven22]

Why Dejounte why not Lebron ? Afterall the whole league has seen the exploits of the hindsight big three ..ohhh what couldve been

You missed the point I was throwing out a hypothetical

so was I

If all we are gonna do is live in the past and pine over the best case hypotheticals of what could've happened then why not choose the very best hypotheticals ?

Still missing. My point is that you could’ve gotten more value than you did which is absolutely true.

[RSP83]

Regardless whether you like Vuc or not, I think that's a good deal for Vuc level player.

[HearshotKDS]

This is the NBA version of a person suffering from severe depression moving a pee jug into their bed room. It makes the immediate situation slightly better - forcing the person to get out of bed and walk to the bathroom isnt helping anything! but it in no way addresses the glaring underlying issue that is the real problem. Just my opinion.

[TheJordanRule]

I’m not exactly sure that WCJ is a better player than Vuc. Younger? Yes. But not necessarily better.

WCJ is better in all the impact stats, destroys Vuc every time they match up head to head, and seems pretty clearly better to me.

Also, Vuc (on this deal) will make a little over 18M this year. WCJ will make about 13.5. Less, but not by half. Just me being a bit technical I guess.

Until we know the terms of Vuc's deal it's impossible to say. I'm just assuming he's on a flat 20/20/20 for now, but who knows. If we assume 3/60 is guaranteed, than WCJ is something like 36M vs 60M over 3 years which is close enough to half for my throw away comment level of precision.

I wouldn't say WCJ destroys anyone. He's about as middling and irrelevant as a starting center in this league can be so far. Maybe he'd still be with us if he could have stayed healthy. I would take WCJ over Vuce because WCJ's contract situation is more preferable and he's just starting to enter his prime. On the other hand, Vuce has considerably more offensive talent and I don't think WCJ comes even close to making up the difference on the other end. Now that he's finally healthy, maybe WCJ will have that big break through season next year, but till he does, Vuce is an upgrade over him. I'm not thrilled that we're paying Vuce about 7 million more per year. I just don't view it as terrible. And yet, I want him swapped if possible for a more impactful player.

[dougthonus]

I guess it’s just an agree to disagree situation for me. I don’t think anyone is any more worried about WCJ than they are Vuc. Not to mention the fact that WCJ tends to miss a lot of time even dating back to his time here.

I don't think WCJ is like a 2 tiers ahead of Vuc, but I'd rather have him than Vuc ignoring salary.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I guess it’s just an agree to disagree situation for me. I don’t think anyone is any more worried about WCJ than they are Vuc. Not to mention the fact that WCJ tends to miss a lot of time even dating back to his time here.

I don't think WCJ is like a 2 tiers ahead of Vuc, but I'd rather have him than Vuc ignoring salary.

I'd be curious to see their salary per game played.

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notice no exclamation point. from the TEAM twitter account. i guess that's better than a shoulder shrug emoji, though

[Mirotek]

We're really bout to run it back... with the same team. Sigh

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I'd probably rather have WCJ too, but I also don't think this is a particularly bad deal for the Bulls. IMO, he's likely to be a top 20ish C for the next 3 years and 20 mil isn't all that much. Plus good backup Cs are cheap so it's a value position for us.