NBA Trade Thread #12

[WindyCityBorn]

What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.

I say no. Ja is not done being fool yet. I’d rather him not crash out as a Bull.

Playing fake gangsta in Chicago might not end well.

[Infinity2152]

What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.

I say no. Ja is not done being fool yet. I’d rather him not crash out as a Bull.

Playing fake gangsta in Chicago might not end well.

Was wondering if anybody was going to mention Chicago is not the best place for a young rich guy who likes to go out and flash guns.

[Dan Z]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

[League Circles]

I'm trying to find trades for Collins and Ayo. Generically, I think they're the two guys that will probably be wisest to move.

Collins because, while he's as good as Vuc or Smith, he doesn't have the upside or switchable defensive ability that Smith does (or the 3 point shot or shot blocking ability), and we just know without a doubt that Vuc's trade value is very low. IMO we probably need to add a prospect at C, and 4 is too many guys. Collins would be the smartest of the 3 to move IMO.

As for Ayo, IMO he should be competing with Ball, Patrick and Terry (and possibly our FRP) for the 5th starter spot. I like Ayo a lot but I think he's already reached his ceiling. He's not a very good 3 point shooter and while he's a good defender, he's not a great one and doesn't seem to have the tools to be one. Already 25 years old. I simply think Ball, Patrick and Terry all have more upside defensively. Ball and Patrick more upside as 3 point shooters.

Considering we're so short on roster spots, I wonder what Collins + Ayo could get us? Tobias Harris to back up Matas? Then we'd be more balanced IMO:

5: Smith, Vuc
4: Matas, Harris, Phillips
3: Giddey, Huerter, Terry
2: Patrick, Ball
1: Coby, Carter

Add our FRP, SRP, and maybe Jones to bump Carter back down to third string.

[League Circles]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

I'd rather roll with Matas at the 4. I think Lauri is quite overrated. He's almost 28 years old and has never played more his 68 games as a rookie.

[Dan Z]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

I'd rather roll with Matas at the 4. I think Lauri is quite overrated. He's almost 28 years old and has never played more his 68 games as a rookie.

If the team wants to run next year (like they've done recently) then I think Markkanen would be a good fit, but my concern is his contract. Plus the cost (what would Utah want for him?).

If Utah wasn't tanking the past few years I wonder what his games played would look like? Probably not as bad as it is, but also not great (as you point out he played his most games, 68, his rookie year).

[Repeat 3-peat]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

They should not be sending out any assets unless it's for a proven star.

[Dan Z]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

They should not be sending out any assets unless it's for a proven star.

The only proven star that I think might be available is Durant and I don't think the Bulls should go after him.

I have mixed thoughts about trading for Markkanen, but I'm not completely against the idea.

[jump]

Give me Naz Reid, if he's not too expensive, and a solid draft pick this year. See what you can get in return for Vuc, Carter, maybe Philips or Terry. Build from there.

[Dan Z]

Give me Naz Reid, if he's not too expensive, and a solid draft pick this year. See what you can get in return for Vuc, Carter, maybe Philips or Terry. Build from there.

Do the Bulls have cap space to get Reid?

[Repeat 3-peat]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

They should not be sending out any assets unless it's for a proven star.

The only proven star that I think might be available is Durant and I don't think the Bulls should go after him.

I have mixed thoughts about trading for Markkanen, but I'm not completely against the idea.

IMO, I hope the front office is patient. They got their pick back, let the team develop and if they prove to be an impressive group next season?, then go make a move.

[Dan Z]

They should not be sending out any assets unless it's for a proven star.

The only proven star that I think might be available is Durant and I don't think the Bulls should go after him.

I have mixed thoughts about trading for Markkanen, but I'm not completely against the idea.

IMO, I hope the front office is patient. They got their pick back, let the team develop and if they prove to be an impressive group next season?, then go make a move.

That's probably the right way to go. They could see if anyone wants to trade for Vucevic or PW but there's probably not much (if anything) there.

[PJSteven22]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

Ironically he really fits with this roster at least offensively.

[Dan Z]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

Ironically he really fits with this roster at least offensively.

I agree. He moves well for his size, seems to play best in transition and is a good three point shooter.

I'm not sure what Ainge would want for him or if it's even a good idea for AK to ask.

[sco]

Give me Naz Reid, if he's not too expensive, and a solid draft pick this year. See what you can get in return for Vuc, Carter, maybe Philips or Terry. Build from there.

Do the Bulls have cap space to get Reid?

Maybe if they are able to trade a player for cap space and if they let Jones walk. Depends on whether he goes for more than the MLE. I don't see that scenario playing out though. I think the only way would be if Minny would really want someone from our roster like Ball, Ayo, Smith or Huerter and was willing to do a S&T. Ball + Smith + filler might interest them if they are worried some other team will sign him for more than they'd want to pay. The issue I see is not wanting to spent $$$ on a non-elite defensive C, which would help to balance out our team. Also, I don't necessarily want to nab another offensively oriented player next season so that Matas has more of a chance to step into that 3rd option role. Honestly, I'd prefer to just start Smith, but I get the appeal of Naz.

[Jcool0]

What do you think of the Bulls making an offer for Markkanen? On the trade board there's one proposal, but I was curious to hear what everyone here thought of the idea.

Ironically he really fits with this roster at least offensively.

I agree. He moves well for his size, seems to play best in transition and is a good three point shooter.

I'm not sure what Ainge would want for him or if it's even a good idea for AK to ask.

He will be 28 next season, making 45+M for the next 4 seasons and would get the Bulls no closer to a title.

[Dan Z]

Ironically he really fits with this roster at least offensively.

I agree. He moves well for his size, seems to play best in transition and is a good three point shooter.

I'm not sure what Ainge would want for him or if it's even a good idea for AK to ask.

He will be 28 next season, making 45+M for the next 4 seasons and would get the Bulls no closer to a title.

He would definitely improve this team, but nobody they get this off season will make them championship contenders.

I agree that his contract is a concern. The trade suggested on the trade board had the Bulls giving up Patrick Williams, Vucevic and picks for him. Vuc has one year left on his deal and PW gets paid 18 million a year for the next 4.

I'm not saying the Bulls should trade for Markkanen, but it's an interesting idea. Realistically I don't think AK will consider him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went after someone else such as Sabonis.

[sco]

I agree. He moves well for his size, seems to play best in transition and is a good three point shooter.

I'm not sure what Ainge would want for him or if it's even a good idea for AK to ask.

He will be 28 next season, making 45+M for the next 4 seasons and would get the Bulls no closer to a title.

He would definitely improve this team, but nobody they get this off season will make them championship contenders.

I agree that his contract is a concern. The trade suggested on the trade board had the Bulls giving up Patrick Williams, Vucevic and picks for him. Vuc has one year left on his deal and PW gets paid 18 million a year for the next 4.

I'm not saying the Bulls should trade for Markkanen, but it's an interesting idea. Realistically I don't think AK will consider him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went after someone else such as Sabonis.

I would love a consolidation trade, but I think we should focus on adding an elite wing defender (which should be doable without giving up picks). Where's Shaq Harrison these days?

[Jcool0]

I agree. He moves well for his size, seems to play best in transition and is a good three point shooter.

I'm not sure what Ainge would want for him or if it's even a good idea for AK to ask.

He will be 28 next season, making 45+M for the next 4 seasons and would get the Bulls no closer to a title.

He would definitely improve this team, but nobody they get this off season will make them championship contenders.

I agree that his contract is a concern. The trade suggested on the trade board had the Bulls giving up Patrick Williams, Vucevic and picks for him. Vuc has one year left on his deal and PW gets paid 18 million a year for the next 4.

I'm not saying the Bulls should trade for Markkanen, but it's an interesting idea. Realistically I don't think AK will consider him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went after someone else such as Sabonis.

1. Adding talent almost always improves things. How much is the question. Lauri at his best with the Jazz not in full tank mode got them 37 wins.

2. What are the Bulls giving up? Coby for Markkanen swap? 3 1sts and Ayo + Williams? Ainge likes maximum returns.

3. Much like the questions with Giddey. How effective is Lauri if he isn't the #1 option. Are you okay with a 17/7 Markkanen as a 2nd option making over 50M by year 4?

4. I couldn't think of a worse move then Sabonis and i'm worried AK is banking on it.

[MrSparkle]

Trading assets for Markannen or Sabonis would be foolish. Just prepare a max offer for JJJ next year if that’s the route. He’ll be unrestricted, and Memphis is just hoping he doesn’t play himself into a 5Y supermax.