Vucevic Trade Watch 2025

[kulaz3000]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

[Dan Z]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

What if it's for PW straight up?

[greenwing]

yeah, I've always disliked Kuminga, seems like a very c+ guy to me who is about to get overpaid.

We are oddly deep, if anything we have too many DECENT bodies and not enough GOOD bodies. Some of our depth are on good contracts, or at least trade able contracts

To me the optimal outcome this offseason is 1) get another decent pick somehow. 2) facilitate as the 3rd team which nets us a couple more decent future picks, at least 1 1st. There are teams in the league with a vulgar # of 1sts...I'd like a couple ideally

I just don't see us being big players in the FA market...just don't

Yes, we are in NBA purgatory right now. Not good enough to contend and not bad enough to tank. Problem is we have a number of good players who are young and still have potential that it's not easy to tear down via trade without getting lesser assets in a trade. Best case scenario is one of our guys tears it up next season (Giddey, White or Buzelis would be prime candidates) or a star gets disgruntled where we can combine those assets into a star player. I guess we will have to see how the season progresses.

[kulaz3000]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

What if it's for PW straight up?

I still wouldn't, because that deal would only happen with an extension.

I'd only do it if it was a high one year extension and a straight up trade, with another filler player like Carter.

And even then, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat, I'd take a wait and see approach with him.

[Dan Z]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

What if it's for PW straight up?

I still wouldn't, because that deal would only happen with an extension.

I'd only do it if it was a high one year extension and a straight up trade, with another filler player like Carter.

And even then, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat, I'd take a wait and see approach with him.

I doubt Golden State and Kuminga wouldn't agree to that, but I get why you'd want those stipulations.

I'd hate for the Bulls to get Kuminga and then if he doesn't work out the team is stuck with another bad contract.

[kulaz3000]

What if it's for PW straight up?

I still wouldn't, because that deal would only happen with an extension.

I'd only do it if it was a high one year extension and a straight up trade, with another filler player like Carter.

And even then, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat, I'd take a wait and see approach with him.

I doubt Golden State and Kuminga would agree to that, but I get why you'd want those stipulations.

I'd hate for the Bulls to get Kuminga and then if he doesn't work out the team is stuck with another bad contract.

That's exactly my fear, because he is likely to get something in the range of 25 million per season extension. And I'd rather find another player via the draft or in free agency, than to be stuck with a modern day Corey Maggette.

[Dan Z]

I still wouldn't, because that deal would only happen with an extension.

I'd only do it if it was a high one year extension and a straight up trade, with another filler player like Carter.

And even then, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat, I'd take a wait and see approach with him.

I doubt Golden State and Kuminga would agree to that, but I get why you'd want those stipulations.

I'd hate for the Bulls to get Kuminga and then if he doesn't work out the team is stuck with another bad contract.

That's exactly my fear, because he is likely to get something in the range of 25 million per season extension. And I'd rather find another player via the draft or in free agency, than to be stuck with a modern day Corey Maggette.

I meant to say that they wouldn't agree to that (which is fine...the Bulls just move on).

[WesPeace]

I agree with most of you guys..I dont really want Kuminga now! Before Matas yes probably, but now, nope, I dont see a good fit and contract wise we could have another PWill situation.
Even for PWill swap I'm not leaning to it, healthy PWill fits alongside Matas more with his defense.

[burlydee]

I would love Kuminga. The Bulls need talent. He's better than PWill. Shows promise as a plus scorer and decent rebounder.

Sometimes guys don't fit. I don't believe in the magic of championship franchises. Its not the franchise, it's Curry (and Durant, Green, Klay).

The Bulls need assets. So they should be drafting guys and bringing in as many top 20 FAs as possible who fit. I think he could fit. The Bulls need players who fit an uptempo style that can attack the rim. Bring him in on a reasonable contract and rebuild your asset based. I don't see many other options.

[kulaz3000]

I would love Kuminga. The Bulls need talent. He's better than PWill. Shows promise as a plus scorer and decent rebounder.

Sometimes guys don't fit. I don't believe in the magic of championship franchises. Its not the franchise, it's Curry (and Durant, Green, Klay).

The Bulls need assets. So they should be drafting guys and bringing in as many top 20 FAs as possible who fit. I think he could fit. The Bulls need players who fit an uptempo style that can attack the rim. Bring him in on a reasonable contract and rebuild your asset based. I don't see many other options.

What's a reasonable contract to you? Because he is looking at a contract in the 30 million per range.

I'd much pay both Coby and Giddey in the 30 million per season range over Kuminga that same type of money.

[t-time]

What’s the bet PWill goes to GSW and suddenly remembers how to play and care again. I can already see the ESPN segments showing his amazing defense and his big hands.

[Jvaughn]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

What if it's for PW straight up?

Without a second thought. Not sure if we can do a 3 year extension under the CBA, but I'd take Kuminga over PAW without a second thought if we can get him for roughly $20-25 mil a year. It's more than Patrick, but the difference in Kuminga actually trying on the court vs whatever the hell it is that we've seen Patrick doing is worth it to me. Patrick is a better shooter, and probably a better defender but he is nearly unplayable at this point. Maybe Kerr can pull some give a f*** out of him. Good riddance either way.

[Jvaughn]

What’s the bet PWill goes to GSW and suddenly remembers how to play and care again. I can already see the ESPN segments showing his amazing defense and his big hands.

Less than 1% and his lack of effort rebounding while dribbling the ball off his feet, while missing dunks nightly aren't going away. If he ever ended up successful somewhere, it would be stirfly to stand in the short corner and shoot.

[Dan Z]

I would really dislike Kuminga. He is a black hole, that still hasn't really found his place, despite being around a championship level franchise.

What if it's for PW straight up?

Without a second thought. Not sure if we can do a 3 year extension under the CBA, but I'd take Kuminga over PAW without a second thought if we can get him for roughly $20-25 mil a year. It's more than Patrick, but the difference in Kuminga actually trying on the court vs whatever the hell it is that we've seen Patrick doing is worth it to me. Patrick is a better shooter, and probably a better defender but he is nearly unplayable at this point. Maybe Kerr can pull some give a f*** out of him. Good riddance either way.

I have mixed thoughts on it, but think that's the only way I'd do a sign and trade for Kuminga. Like I said in a previous post I'd hate for the Bulls to get Kuminga and then the team ends up with two duds on long term contract (not saying PW and Kuminga will both be bad, but that's a possibility).

Maybe the GSW would prefer PW because he can shoot and defend? That fits better with their team.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Kuminga would make me happy. I can tell he was underutilized. I don't think he's a black hole.

I think he was just a young man eager to prove his worth while being in a circumstance he didn't respect because of how he was treated.

[NecessaryEvil]

Vooch and P-Will for Kuminga

Draft Derik Queen with the 12th pick

rebuild completed - - -

C Queen / Smith / Collins
F Kuminga / Smith
F Buzelis / Huerter / Phillips
G White / Dosunmu / Terry
G Giddey / Ball

Ball out at the deadline for more assets

Collins & Huerter on expirings (likely trade Collins/resign Kevin)

The Bulls are gonna be really good in a couple of yrs

[Kuro]

Kuminga would make me happy. I can tell he was underutilized. I don't think he's a black hole.

I think he was just a young man eager to prove his worth while being in a circumstance he didn't respect because of how he was treated.

Gotta agree here. He was drafted to a playoff team full of aging vets and a coach who clearly didn't want him. Had he been drafted to a younger team like Orlando a pick later, I think he'd be viewed much more favorably right now.

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[nomorezorro]

Kuminga would make me happy. I can tell he was underutilized. I don't think he's a black hole.

I think he was just a young man eager to prove his worth while being in a circumstance he didn't respect because of how he was treated.

is the "circumstance he didn't respect" being asked to play team basketball for the greatest franchise of this era in a secondary/complementary role to an all-time great? because i personally would not be super thrilled about landing a dude who doesn't take well to that situation

[JohnnyTapwater]

Kuminga would make me happy. I can tell he was underutilized. I don't think he's a black hole.

I think he was just a young man eager to prove his worth while being in a circumstance he didn't respect because of how he was treated.

is the "circumstance he didn't respect" being asked to play team basketball for the greatest franchise of this era in a secondary/complementary role to an all-time great? because i personally would not be super thrilled about landing a dude who doesn't take well to that situation

Then you take into account his age then remember how your perception was once led by developing emotions. After that, you understand he's not perfect, but not condemnable and deserving of a fresh start with a renewed outlook.

[nomorezorro]

from a basketball evaluation standpoint, i think it's pretty condemnable that a player consistently struggled to play winning team basketball in his first 4 seasons!

i don't think that means he's doomed to failure, but i also wouldn't be super eager to give that guy $20+ million a year