SI: D'Antoni accepts offer to coach Knicks

BrooklynBulls · Post #141 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:55 pm

It is a little mind-boggling of D'Antoni to even take the job. It doesn't fit him, not even a little. Guess its all about the money for him.

kyrv · Post #142 » by **kyrv** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:55 pm

NYSPORTSNUCCA wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I was hoping he went to the Bulls because we don't have anything remotely resembling Nash, Amare, Marion and if you want.., Joe Johnson. I like Walsh and I like atleast having a quick enough hiring for the upcoming draft but geesh...., this man's system wont win squat in today's league. We wont even be exciting enough to watch because., we don't have his type of players.

Only one team has that, the Suns [edit - well, no teams now, obviously, wish Marion gone, only one team *had* that]. I'm not clear, are you suggesting that nobody should hire D'Antoni?

Why would you want Avery? You don't have anybody resembling Dirk or Howard?

Bulls1983 · Post #143 » by **Bulls1983** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:57 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:It is a little mind-boggling of D'Antoni to even take the job. It doesn't fit him, not even a little. Guess its all about the money for him.

Where

kyrv · Post #144 » by **kyrv** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:00 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:It is a little mind-boggling of D'Antoni to even take the job. It doesn't fit him, not even a little. Guess its all about the money for him.

I agree but to be fair, do but how many current Knicks do you think will be on the team in two years, let alone four?

He's not going in with a bad roster with a GM that acquired them (like IT and Brown). Walsh is a smart guy, he probably has similiar thoughts on their roster, that you do.

kodo · Post #145 » by **kodo** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:02 pm

I couldn't believe it. Why would you guys be upset about not hiring him?

Bulls aren't like most teams, D'Antoni's weakness on defense isn't much concern here since we have a lot of naturally gifted defensive players. On offense, it's a totally different story. That's why D'Antoni would have been a good fit, like Flip's offense oriented style in Detroit, they're a very balanced team right now.

I think on most teams, including NY, D'Antoni has a lot of pros & cons and isn't necessarily a slam dunk. Kinda like George Karl.

Anyway gratz to NY, i hope he works out well there.

BrooklynBulls · Post #146 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:04 pm

kyrv wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree but to be fair, do but how many current Knicks do you think will be on the team in two years, let alone four?

He's not going in with a bad roster with a GM that acquired them (like IT and Brown). Walsh is a smart guy, he probably has similiar thoughts on their roster, that you do.

Ha, that roster needs to be overhauled, but it cant be overhauled. Those contracts are either immovable or of low value. You need to catch a team desperate for expirings or desperate to get rid of a player, possibly both, to get something that can help D'Antoni. 2 years from now, it may look a little better, but THIS offseason, even WITH Rose/Beasley/Mayo or whoever, that roster is screwed.

Susan · Post #147 » by **Susan** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:07 pm

[quote="NYSPORTSNUCCA"][/quote]

Well the Knicks are a trainwreck pretty much regardless right now. But if Walsh and D'Antoni survive the next two seasons, get talent, cut the fat out from that team they're going to be a good team.

I'm just sad that this team was ready to get an identity again but they've failed to do so.

Bulls1983 · Post #148 » by **Bulls1983** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:10 pm

FIND THE DIFFERENCES:

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Post #149 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:14 pm

Unless the media reports are totally wrong - Paxson did want Mr Pringles & recommended him to the Boss

Apparently either JR didnt like Mr Pringles. That is the only logical explanation. He would have known that MD wanted at least $5 million for 4 years. The extra $4 million is not an issue for a team making a $60 million profit.

Bottom line must be that there was something JR didnt like about Mr Pringles. Attitude maybe? No one but he would know. The Bulls certainly could have matched that offer if they chose

GB · Post #150 » by GB » Sat May 10, 2008 8:16 pm

umfan83 wrote:This is so bad. It shows how backward this organization is.

This move would have:

-Energized the fan base who had to sit through a dreadful season of watching the players basically give up on the team.
-Energize the players, who were said to be salivating at the opportunity to work with D'Antoni
-Given the Bulls a coach that could maximize the abilities (at least offensively) of the team, a team who has what is said to be "the perfect fit" for his system
-Given notice to the league that the Bulls want to win now. Not in 5-10 years. Now
-Given Paxson the leeway to not have to necessarily go for a roster overhaul.

Instead, the players are pissed, the fans are pissed, and the roster needs a lot of work, if this team even thinks about contending the next couple of seasons.

Great work JR.

mariotti, is that you?

InSportsHell · Post #151 » by **InSportsHell** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:19 pm

kodo wrote:
I couldn't believe it. Why would you guys be upset about not hiring him?

Bulls aren't like most teams, D'Antoni's weakness on defense isn't much concern here since we have a lot of naturally gifted defensive players. On offense, it's a totally different story. That's why D'Antoni would have been a good fit, like Flip's offense oriented style in Detroit, they're a very balanced team right now.

I think on most teams, including NY, D'Antoni has a lot of pros & cons and isn't necessarily a slam dunk. Kinda like George Karl.

Anyway gratz to NY, i hope he works out well there.

You still need to practice defence as a team.

I am not suprised D'Antoni was not hired by the Bulls. In fact I said in a post last week that I thought Avery Johnson was the real target. Given that Kerr and Paxson share a common winning expirience based on defense first, I found it unusual that so many were accepting D'Antoni's coaching which doesn't even work on D in practice.

HitMan52 · Post #152 » by **HitMan52** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:19 pm

There is only one thing that can make me feel better after our cheapskate management and that is if we land a top 2 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft and then I will forget all of my frustration about D'Antoni.

Also trading Hughes for just expiring contracts would help make me feel better also but I will still be a little frustrated.

But since both of those are unlikely to happen, I guess I will be watching the Bulls every once in a while.

SportsWorld · Post #153 » by **SportsWorld** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:20 pm

I expect an entertaining article by Mariotti tonight

GB · Post #154 » by GB » Sat May 10, 2008 8:22 pm

Here's the problem, as I understand it: Paxson made a basketball decision and Reinsdorf vetoed it over 1.5 million (the difference between 4.5 (the Bulls offer) and 6 million (the Knicks offer)) dollars.

What else can Paxson do? He should leave with his head erect and let Reinsdorf hire his own coach. He'd get another job later on down the line...

The problem here is credibility. Right now Reinsdorf can claim he's won 7 championships in two sports so he must know what he's doing. But if a top coach comes in and says that the organization needs some restructuring...everyone is listening to the coach, not Jerry.

Jerry won't let that happen.

CoreyVillains · Post #155 » by **CoreyVillains** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:25 pm

Jo Jo English wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

True, but I still don't take too much solace in that. It is like saying since your last meal was a dog turd on a hot dog bun, you'll be pleased as punch if I take you to McDonald's.

Sure, the chicken McNuggets are going to taste better than dog feces, but dammit, Bulls fan shouldn't have to settle for that.

We all know that the fancy, expensive places like Morton's steakhouse or Alinea are out (Uncle Jerry has his purse strings a little too tight), but don't we at least deserve an average meal at a place like Chili's or Outback Steakhouse?

Well we need to score 100 points first.

AirP. · Post #156 » by **AirP.** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:28 pm

InSportsHell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You still need to practice defence as a team.

I am not suprised D'Antoni was not hired by the Bulls. In fact I said in a post last week that I thought Avery Johnson was the real target. Given that Kerr and Paxson share a common winning expirience based on defense first, I found it unusual that so many were accepting D'Antoni's coaching which doesn't even work on D in practice.

Because with the last 2 years 1st round exits in the playoffs, Avery's defensive style has worked GREAT for the Mavs. Where as D'Antoni's exit out of the playoffs by eventual champs shows his style just isn't good enough, especially last year when a pretty dirty play may have stopped them from beating the eventual champs.

As good as San Antonio is as an organization with Duncan, Manu, Parker and Pop they haven't won it every year, but Pop puts them in a position to win each year and that's all you can really hope fur.

Raptors90102 · Post #157 » by **Raptors90102** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:35 pm

You guys need Sam Mitchell!

If he's fired, would you guys consider it over Thibideau (sp?) and Avery Johnson??

Bulls1983 · Post #158 » by **Bulls1983** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:36 pm

I dont know who

BR0D1E86 · Post #159 » by **BR0D1E86** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:46 pm

SportsWorld wrote:I expect the Suns to go after Thibodeau now. Do you guys think the Suns will spend more money on him than us?

I'd expect McDonald's to pay him more to manage a store.

AirP. · Post #160 » by **AirP.** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:49 pm

Here's some numbers for you from this year...

Chicago vs Dallas(Johnson) vs Phoenix(D'Antoni)

Defensivly they gave up...
Dallas - 2pts 44%, 3pts 35%
Phoenix - 2pts 46%, 3pts 35%
Chicago - 2pts 45%, 3pts 38%

Not a whole big diffrence.. so what's the differences?

Right here....

Offensivly
Dallas - 2pts 46%, 3pts 35%
Phoenix - 2pts 50%, 3pts 39%
Chicago - 2pts 44%, 3pts 36%

Toss in our more defensive minded players then Phoenix's and I think D'Anotnoi would have been a great fit in Chicago, especially with good help defenders in the paint in Noah and Tyrus(as both continue to mature and get experience).