Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[Proven_Winner]

Marion's totally fine for insurance on Jimmy Butler. We need another defensive wing and I don't see better ones on the market.

On top of that this is the bottom of trash now so get what you can. You can't be picky as hell about a guy who's probably not going to be your starter and would be coming for the vet min.

[BrooklynBulls]

Marion's totally fine for insurance on Jimmy Butler. We need another defensive wing and I don't see better ones on the market.

On top of that this is the bottom of trash now so get what you can. You can't be picky as hell about a guy who's probably not going to be your starter and would be coming for the vet min.

I was vocally against Marion for above the minimum, but now, who else is out there? I don't even see any reasonable veteran options.

[Chi town]

We'd could even go with Brooks, Kirk, Dunleavy and Gasol with Snell as insurance and used for defense and size.

Edit: Dunleavy would need to be included to make the reported deal work. Also I wouldn't be surprised if the rumor deal was not proposed and it's Gibson, Butler and one of Nikola/Doug as the other big piece.

I agree with this. I think its Taj+Jimmy+ another asset. It better not be Mc3. I'd prefer it be Niko but IMO that's an overpay. I also don't see Bulls trading Niko for him after all that has been said about his guarantee to stay with the Bulls. If Niko is not involved then it makes so sense as he won't get any mins behind Gasol and Love.

Ideally it'd be Niko and Jimmy and SAC pick but salaries don't match. Then we trade Taj in a separate trade for a wing.

I'm convinced Bulls wont' be in a 3 way where Love goes to Cavs as Cavs don't want to help the Bulls. I think Flip will settle for Thad Young instead of Taj. Cavs will give up Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and picks. MIN will get a pick, Wiggins, and Young. PHI gets Waiters and Bennett. CLE keeps TT.

[Payt10]

Real Plus Minus is a better statistic than the regular + -.

Marion was still a slightly over positive defender last year, but hurt the Mavericks on offense.

2013-2014:

ORPM: -1.72
DRPM: 0.68
WAR: 1.96

[Chi town]

I remain very skeptical of CHI getting any player from CLE and vice versa. Just don't see why they would help each other in any trade.

Cavs don't want to play against a movitvated Waiters. I can see where a third team like PHI comes in and CLE gets love and MIN gets Wiggins and Thad Young and Sixers get Waiters.

Fans get confused and try to conflate rumors and interests when they're in fact, separate actions. Just like all that nonsense of Gasol and Melo together when anyone with common sense knew Melo represented Plan A and Gasol was Plan B.

We want Love, King James also wants Love. When it goes down, we will not be helping our biggest foe in the Central and possibly the East get their man. Period.

Yep. I could see Bulls being in a 3 way involving Love but only for MIN to get more and the Bulls to benefit as well. Bulls won't send any players to CLE and CLE won't send any players to Bulls. This is why I think PHI is the team that will get it done.

[Proven_Winner]

Marion's totally fine for insurance on Jimmy Butler. We need another defensive wing and I don't see better ones on the market.

On top of that this is the bottom of trash now so get what you can. You can't be picky as hell about a guy who's probably not going to be your starter and would be coming for the vet min.

I was vocally against Marion for above the minimum, but now, who else is out there? I don't even see any reasonable veteran options.

Above the minimum I probably say hell no, but every other decent wing is gone and your only asking marion for a couple of minutes in short burst.

[Ice Man]

You can't be picky as hell about a guy who's probably not going to be your starter and would be coming for the vet min.

Fair enough. Presumably, he wouldn't play much -- would be basically a practice player.

[Proven_Winner]

You can't be picky as hell about a guy who's probably not going to be your starter and would be coming for the vet min.

Fair enough. Presumably, he wouldn't play much -- would be basically a practice player.

I don't know about practice player, but he wouldn't get a ton of minutes. Practice player is actually a slap in the face I mean damn even Nazr got his ass off the bench for a couple of minutes.

[Indomitable]

And yet, Deng played more but we didn't miss a beat when he left....the glue guy, the key to the defense, the etc. blah blah

The Bulls aren't going to suffer tremendously over the loss of a back-up PF that's unlikely to have the same closing role as in years past.

Taj Gibson is overrated heavily on this board.

Butler's ability to guard 2/3 helped alleviate Deng's loss on defense. But as soon as we ran into a competent wing tandem in Beal/Ariza, not having Deng hurt big time, as we got eviscerated.

The Bulls in past years have put out a few bad defensive lineups, and once you go past a certain point they indeed become irredeemable and fall apart, even with Thibs as the coach. Generally 3 poor defenders is the breaking point. Which we would be doing much more so without Taj.

Pau Gasol was a bad defender last year, if we believe in the narrative he 'just wasn't trying' and he actually recovers, it will probably only be to average at best.

Tired legs had more to do with the Bulls down fall last year than Deng's absence. They ran out of gas.

Ariza and Beal were killling us, because we had to many limited athletes out there. Deng would have helped a lot.
Which is why I am glad Washington let Ariza go and brought Pierce. I feel they have downgraded their ability to kill us on the fastbreak.

[Mech Engineer]

Even the great LeBron stopper Jimmy struggled against Beal in the playoffs. And, people want to discount Deng's loss as something similar to losing Nazr or Mike James.

[panthermark]

Ariza and Beal were killling us, because we had to many limited athletes out there. Deng would have helped a lot.
Which is why I am glad Washington let Ariza go and brought Pierce. I feel they have downgraded their ability to kill us on the fastbreak.

Washington took a step backwards with Pierce IMO.

That dude is slower than dirt.

I understand that they are going after KD after next year.....but damn...PP is like a regular rotation player at this point. A slow one....

[DRoseCantStop]

Ariza and Beal were killling us, because we had to many limited athletes out there. Deng would have helped a lot.
Which is why I am glad Washington let Ariza go and brought Pierce. I feel they have downgraded their ability to kill us on the fastbreak.

Washington took a step backwards with Pierce IMO.

That dude is slower than dirt.

I understand that they are going after KD after next year.....but damn...PP is like a regular rotation player at this point. A slow one....

Dat potential playoff match-up with the Cavaliers tho!!!!!!

[BeatDaCavs420]

People just ain't going to let the bulls live down that Wizards series,there was so many factors as to why the Wizards won that series AT THAT TIME

[Concept Coop]

Ariza and Beal were killling us, because we had to many limited athletes out there. Deng would have helped a lot.
Which is why I am glad Washington let Ariza go and brought Pierce. I feel they have downgraded their ability to kill us on the fastbreak.

Washington took a step backwards with Pierce IMO.

That dude is slower than dirt.

I understand that they are going after KD after next year.....but damn...PP is like a regular rotation player at this point. A slow one....

Scoring is a rare talent, even at this level, and Pierce can still do it. Given the contract--I personally view it as a nice piece for them. He won't put them over the top, by any means--only Beal and Wall becoming top 10-12 players will, imo--but he'll likely earn that contract.

[Proven_Winner]

Even the great LeBron stopper Jimmy struggled against Beal in the playoffs. And, people want to discount Deng's loss as something similar to losing Nazr or Mike James.

You're right a tired Jimmy got killed in the playoffs. Deng's loss does make a difference come playoff time, but I don't know if this series was a good example.

[Concept Coop]

People just ain't going to let the bulls live down that Wizards series,there was so many factors as to why the Wizards won that series AT THAT TIME

I think it's the Miami series that we need to get over. Some posters seem to believe that we don't even have the means to beat a trap or double team on Rose.

[BeatDaCavs420]

We was GASSED and injured coming towards end of the season even from the start of that series we was playing on fumes...Healthy Noah vs Healthy Nene yeah Nene aint having a series like that again...same with Jimmy and Beal

Are bench consisted of players the name of Admunson Mike James Jimmer and Brewer LOL

[TheJordanRule]

We was GASSED and injured coming towards end of the season even from the start of that series we was playing on fumes...Healthy Noah vs Healthy Nene yeah Nene aint having a series like that again...same with Jimmy and Beal

Are bench consisted of players the name of Admunson Mike James Jimmer and Brewer LOL

We always get to the playoffs with Noah gassed. The kid simply does not have the large center frame that can take the pounding at center over 82 games and then be expected to perform well in the playoffs. Noah's a workaholic, intimidator, defensive beast, motivator and cerebral offensive player and if he had the body of a center he would be unstoppable. But he just doesn't have the frame. He's a gigantic PF who we play at C because there's no legit C on our roster. The fact that the kid gets through the regular season with flying colors shows us how much heart he has. We definitely need to limit Noah's minutes as much as possible next season, especially since he's starting to get up there in age.

[CousinOfDeath]

Even the great LeBron stopper Jimmy struggled against Beal in the playoffs. And, people want to discount Deng's loss as something similar to losing Nazr or Mike James.

No he didn't.

[WinCity]

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