AAU Teammate wrote:Ok! Locked and loaded for this one. Reasoning for why this trade had to happen.
Last year we offered 3 years of control of Jimmy, and we were going to get back mainly LaVine and Dunn from Minnesota.This time around we're offering 2 years of control (after his career year) and we're getting those players…plus the highly regarded big man draft pick. Ok.
Why am I this OK with all that?
1) Where are the other offers?
I don’t think we're turning anything down that's all that good. We were asking Boston to give us basically two high first rounders (this year and next) for a guy who THEY shut down in postseason play. Granted that's Avery Bradley shutting him down. He's a great defender. But last postseason they basically created the proof that Jimmy isn't Kobe, and now we want to get back a Kobe-like package for him. The package we get back does actually kind of remind you of the type of return Lakers got for Shaq in '04. Per Vincent Goodwill, we were trying to get even ONE high pick this year, but who was going to give it? Cleveland was trying to attain a pick of this sort to flip to us, but it didn't work out. They wanted to get Butler in a 3-way for Kevin Love apparently. Other teams were offering...stuff.... like the Suns and Nuggets…but we never heard a rumor that they were going to blow this Minnesota out of the water. They apparently didn't.
2) 2 years of control, then after that he's owed $230 million
We're trading two years of control. Then after that point, you have to pay him tons of money for his early 30s age years. We've seen stars that are one year rentals that just don't command much on the trade market. Lets say we wait til the next trade deadline. Then you eliminate Minnesota, one of your best suitors, because generally at the deadline they are already out of it, b/c the West is so competitive. To have Minnesota driving up the bidding, you have to do an offseason deal.
3) Free-throws as main aspect of his offense
These last few years the Bulls' entire offense has been based on getting to the free throw line and rebounding. That's no way to live come playoff time. In playoff games, refs let you play a little more, eat the whistle. I'm not comfy knowing that in a game where the ref is eating the whistle, we have a neutralized JB. I think some of that is what we saw in the playoffs. LaVine doesnt get to the line, but he shoots well. Markkanen too. The league is becoming more and more about shooting,shooting,shooting.
4) Knee problems.
Did Avery Bradley shut down Jimmy, or is this knee thing just a rising problem for him? He didn't look himself in a few playoff games. And he has just been traded to the highest offer coming from the team with Thibodeau making personnel decisions. Thibs does not believe Jimmy is injured, because no one could ever be injured …to him
5) You have to do this now re - current NBA landscape.
Jimmy probably keeps you out of the lottery next year if he's healthy. In the East you have to be quite bad to be in the lotto. Meanwhile, Warriors will run off a few titles. It's a good time to be bad and stocking up. Sure you could keep Jimmy and try to get into the lottery. The Warriors themselves drafted really well without Top 5 picks. But if you can get high picks by being bad, you do it. We fill the stadium, so it's not a concern to go young. Fans will come out for a Baby Bulls #2 and will chant M-V-P for whoever the best player is.
6) Don't take on $ filler quite yet...
Dont do a deal with Boston. They wanted to fill you with contracts that would drive up your wins (somewhat) and your payroll. Get some cap space, and you can become the kind of team that takes on a bad contract if a pick is added as a sweetener. Brooklyn did this, they just took on D'Angelo Russell for free, basically, just had to absorb other salaries during win-later years. That said, we will probably spend some money on Mirotic, so this part may not become reality for me. When Wade is off the books, we'll have $ again and can do this. We might be able to do a little of this approach now though, we'll see.
7) he's a SF
Just off the top of my head, i feel like to trade a SF to a contender...well...you'd have to find a near-contending team that is short a SF. He can kind of be a SG too, but still, fit could be an issue. For instance Boston has Crowder, who is worse, but the position isn't a mega need position on many already-good teams. Boston did meanwhile apparently go bananas over trying to get Porzingis yesterday
You make good points across the board.
But the reality is that for the 5th time in a row, GarPax made a "losing" trade.
At a certain point, this organization just doesn't want to admit that can't make a proactive trade if their lives depended on it. They're 1-year late on every talent evaluation. And I have every reason to expect the same in the future. Look, LaVine is coming up on a contract extension (I don't care what any optimist says, it's gonna be a tough decision evaluating him coming off that ACL tear in his contract year). They still don't know what they want to do with Niko. I'm assuming Payne and Grant are just deep bench trash now, unless Dunn really is a bust.
Let's be honest. The fans on the board with no insider information call it how they see it 1-2 years before these bozos make their move.
I'd like to see what they do with Lopez, Rondo and Wade. I don't expect much, but it'd be nice to see some kind of minor draft assets coming in.
