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[drosestruts]

Anyone have an nba podcast recommendation?


Something similar to...

I like the Jalen and Jacoby vibe or Waddle and Silvy vibe.

Maybe with a splash of Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons.

Easy, entertaining listening with a splash of serious analysis to offset the hot takes.


I tried the Athletic podcasts and just weren't fun to listen to.



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I cycle through the following basketball podcasts:

The Mismatch
Open Floor
The Lowe Post
No Dunks (new pod from The Starters guys)

[DASMACKDOWN]

I guess there was a windup but he's clearly going for the ball. Cam's long face happened to get in the way

Yeah, if it wasn't for the windup, I'm not sure it's even a foul. He swiped the ball cleanly for sure - and this is coming from a person who irrationally hates Phoenix (the city, and through the transitive process all of its teams) for personal reasons.

I think the windup is ironically what actually made Cam get hit hard in the first place. I think Cam sees the big paw wound up, and then instinctively turns his face away. In turning his face away, he actually moves his head forward into a position to get hit. If Joker just went for a normal swipe, I don't think Cam has time to see it, and react to put his head in the way. That's not saying it's Cam's fault. I think he just reacted naturally to something he saw happening. It was excessive, and deserved a flagrant 1. Flagrant 2, nah. While it wouldn't have changed the series outcome, I'm sure Utah/LAC would've been happy to see Phoenix have to expend energy, and possibly get nicked up in another game, or two.

I think everyone's judgement of the play is clouded because it was Jokic and they wanted to see him out there.

But That was a text book flagrant 2. No question.

You have to remember that is a 7ft 300 pound man going full force swipe across a man half his size. He could have easily broken his nose or worse. The actual intent is irrelevant. He even said he wanted to hard foul out of frustration. He didnt want to hurt him for real but again, its irrelevant. He was probably trying to swipe his hands or arms, but caught his face. That error is the difference between F1 and F2. Everyone knows this.

Is the league soft? Most definitely. But that was still a flagrant 2 in any league. Lets see how Ja Morant talks if it were Shaq going full force swipe across his face and breaks his nose or injures his neck. Will he say he only deserves a F1 then? Certainly not.

If someone hit me like that that would be a fight for real.

[sco]

This would be very good for the game!

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-discussing-rule-change-so-players-couldnt-use-unnatural-motions-on-jump-shots-to-draw-fouls-203826570.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

[MrFortune3]

This would be very good for the game!

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-discussing-rule-change-so-players-couldnt-use-unnatural-motions-on-jump-shots-to-draw-fouls-203826570.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

For the love of God pass this rule and start enforcing the flopping rule again.

[MrFortune3]

Yeah, if it wasn't for the windup, I'm not sure it's even a foul. He swiped the ball cleanly for sure - and this is coming from a person who irrationally hates Phoenix (the city, and through the transitive process all of its teams) for personal reasons.

I think the windup is ironically what actually made Cam get hit hard in the first place. I think Cam sees the big paw wound up, and then instinctively turns his face away. In turning his face away, he actually moves his head forward into a position to get hit. If Joker just went for a normal swipe, I don't think Cam has time to see it, and react to put his head in the way. That's not saying it's Cam's fault. I think he just reacted naturally to something he saw happening. It was excessive, and deserved a flagrant 1. Flagrant 2, nah. While it wouldn't have changed the series outcome, I'm sure Utah/LAC would've been happy to see Phoenix have to expend energy, and possibly get nicked up in another game, or two.

I think everyone's judgement of the play is clouded because it was Jokic and they wanted to see him out there.

But That was a text book flagrant 2. No question.

You have to remember that is a 7ft 300 pound man going full force swipe across a man half his size. He could have easily broken his nose or worse. The actual intent is irrelevant. He even said he wanted to hard foul out of frustration. He didnt want to hurt him for real but again, its irrelevant. He was probably trying to swipe his hands or arms, but caught his face. That error is the difference between F1 and F2. Everyone knows this.

Is the league soft? Most definitely. But that was still a flagrant 2 in any league. Lets see how Ja Morant talks if it were Shaq going full force swipe across his face and breaks his nose or injures his neck. Will he say he only deserves a F1 then? Certainly not.

If someone hit me like that that would be a fight for real.

It was an incredibly dumb foul born out of frustration. He clearly didn't intend to hit him that hard and he was swiping at the ball, but as you said, that's a 300 lb man that ended up striking him in the face and looking at the slow motion allows you to see just how hard that impact was.

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[Wingy]

Yeah, if it wasn't for the windup, I'm not sure it's even a foul. He swiped the ball cleanly for sure - and this is coming from a person who irrationally hates Phoenix (the city, and through the transitive process all of its teams) for personal reasons.

I think the windup is ironically what actually made Cam get hit hard in the first place. I think Cam sees the big paw wound up, and then instinctively turns his face away. In turning his face away, he actually moves his head forward into a position to get hit. If Joker just went for a normal swipe, I don't think Cam has time to see it, and react to put his head in the way. That's not saying it's Cam's fault. I think he just reacted naturally to something he saw happening. It was excessive, and deserved a flagrant 1. Flagrant 2, nah. While it wouldn't have changed the series outcome, I'm sure Utah/LAC would've been happy to see Phoenix have to expend energy, and possibly get nicked up in another game, or two.

I think everyone's judgement of the play is clouded because it was Jokic and they wanted to see him out there.

But That was a text book flagrant 2. No question.

You have to remember that is a 7ft 300 pound man going full force swipe across a man half his size. He could have easily broken his nose or worse. The actual intent is irrelevant. He even said he wanted to hard foul out of frustration. He didnt want to hurt him for real but again, its irrelevant. He was probably trying to swipe his hands or arms, but caught his face. That error is the difference between F1 and F2. Everyone knows this.

Is the league soft? Most definitely. But that was still a flagrant 2 in any league. Lets see how Ja Morant talks if it were Shaq going full force swipe across his face and breaks his nose or injures his neck. Will he say he only deserves a F1 then? Certainly not.

If someone hit me like that that would be a fight for real.

Disagree. I’ve watched one night of games since the Bulls season ended, so I don’t personally care if Jokic plays or not, especially already down 0-3.

He made a clear play on the ball. The so-called “follow through” called out by the rules was that of smashing the hell out of...the basketball. The thing players are supposed to swipe at.

Size shouldn’t matter. Bigs are regularly punished for simply being bigger, and that shouldn’t be the case. It’s the act that matters, and to me, it was an F1.

Not just Ja either, Trae Young also questioned the decision. The league’s two brightest young PG stars see the call for the act committed against a PG as rubbish.

Edit: In general, I’m also not one to call things out as “soft” either. Things change, and I don’t yearn for the days of dimwits like Laimbeer.

[kulaz3000]

I can't justify that as being a flagrant 2 in any way I look at it. Was it a frustration swipe? Sure! But it was still a swipe at the ball, which constitutes as a basketball play. This isn't some sort of play where a player is in the air, a player is undercut, or had a swipe with no chance of getting the ball.

And I'm honestly tired the league is soft argument also quite frankly, the league has changed the rules and how the refs calls plays for over a decade now, the league is what it is at this stage, but the problem is, the refs are just inconsistent with how they call the plays which is the frustrating part. There is just no consistency.

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[MrFortune3]

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Sometimes players need to make a business decision and just move out of the way

[CobyWhite0]

I can't justify that as being a flagrant 2 in any way I look at it. Was it a frustration swipe? Sure! But it was still a swipe at the ball, which constitutes as a basketball play. This isn't some sort of play where a player is in the air, a player is undercut, or had a swipe with no chance of getting the ball.

And I'm honestly tired the league is soft argument also quite frankly, the league has changed the rules and how the refs calls plays for over a decade now, the league is what it is at this stage, but the problem is, the refs are just inconsistent with how they call the plays which is the frustrating part. There is just no consistency.

It was the wind-up, plain and simple. In a natural basketball play, you don't bring your hand behind your head to swipe at the ball. It was most definitely an unnatural act.

This 15 second video shows it perfectly, starting at the :06 mark.

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[kulaz3000]

I can't justify that as being a flagrant 2 in any way I look at it. Was it a frustration swipe? Sure! But it was still a swipe at the ball, which constitutes as a basketball play. This isn't some sort of play where a player is in the air, a player is undercut, or had a swipe with no chance of getting the ball.

And I'm honestly tired the league is soft argument also quite frankly, the league has changed the rules and how the refs calls plays for over a decade now, the league is what it is at this stage, but the problem is, the refs are just inconsistent with how they call the plays which is the frustrating part. There is just no consistency.

It was the wind-up, plain and simple. In a natural basketball play, you don't bring your hand behind your head to swipe at the ball. It was most definitely an unnatural act.

This 15 second video shows it perfectly, starting at the :06 mark.

Watch on YouTube

I've seen plenty of steals where the windup started from above the head, especially when a player is trying to knock a ball out of a player who has two hands on the ball.

[ThreeMileAllan]

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Sometimes players need to make a business decision and just move out of the way

I saw this highlight and I don't think I moved for 2 minutes because I was in shock

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[MrFortune3]

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Sometimes players need to make a business decision and just move out of the way

I saw this highlight and I don't think I moved for 2 minutes because I was in shock

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That dunk was just sick. I know pro athletes have pride and an ego and all. But nah, just move.

[Wingy]

While other teams are on a whole other level (perhaps more than one) than us, this playoffs is a great reminder we shouldn’t be shaking in our boots afraid to try to compete, and strengthen the roster over time. The health of many contenders is literally fragile (Suns CP3, Sixers Embiid, Nets big 30+ three). We’re super far away from these teams, but these teams are not invincible. There are no 96 Bulls, nor peak Warriors out there right now.

[Southpaw]

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That was nasty! Kawhi is unreal in the playoffs when healthy.

[BullChit]

While other teams are on a whole other level (perhaps more than one) than us, this playoffs is a great reminder we shouldn’t be shaking in our boots afraid to try to compete, and strengthen the roster over time. The health of many contenders is literally fragile (Suns CP3, Sixers Embiid, Nets big 30+ three). We’re super far away from these teams, but these teams are not invincible. There are no 96 Bulls, nor peak Warriors out there right now.

Not only this but the success of the Suns and the Jazz has actually got me in good spirits about our Bulls.

Listening to the media talk about the play of Booker and Mitchell, especially Booker and how he was being ridiculed in previous seasons for not leading his team to the playoffs but now (yes partly most to CP3) he is showing out in the playoffs...

Mitchell on the other hand is again showing out in the playoffs BUT with Conley out he is now being accused by the media in the Clippers series as not being able to get his team mates involved.

I actually have high hopes for what AKME is putting together and I really hope they swing hard for Lowry because I think for Zach to make the next next step he needs a hard nose leader out there that can help him get to the playoffs to allow him to be the leathal scoring assassin on the big stage we know he can be.

[Ice Man]

OK, I didn't care for the first round, because it had too many third-rate teams and most series weren't competitive, but this round is getting the job done. I like.

[troza]

While other teams are on a whole other level (perhaps more than one) than us, this playoffs is a great reminder we shouldn’t be shaking in our boots afraid to try to compete, and strengthen the roster over time. The health of many contenders is literally fragile (Suns CP3, Sixers Embiid, Nets big 30+ three). We’re super far away from these teams, but these teams are not invincible. There are no 96 Bulls, nor peak Warriors out there right now.

The 96 Bulls had a 30+ years old big 3 anyway and no one knew what Rodman would do (mainly after his antics on the 95 playoffs). No one knew if Jordan would be able to really get back into the top and there were lots of injuries in that playoffs run (watching the finals, I would say Harper and Kukoc at least weren't at 100%... not sure about Pippen). The fact is that the Bulls were able to make it work out and had some luck with the health of the team... much like we were expecting from the Lakers and Nets if they remained healthy.

Even if there are teams like that (see peak Warriors in 2019), there is always something that might go wrong for them... we must do our part and be ready and in the right place if luck struck out. We saw that with the 2011 Mavs, 2019 Raptors... even teams that didn't win it all like the 2010 Magic (with Garnet's injury), the last year's Heat.

[Andi Obst]

Embiid already had some dominant performances in this series, but yesterday he looked like a guy who clearly shouldn’t have been out there. Zero mobility, no help defense at all, just trying to find "easy" ways to score. Without him at 100% the Sixers offense just isn’t good enough. Simmons can’t create anything for himself and Harris is, as good as he is, just not "the guy“.

Just a couple of days ago it seemed like the Bucks were in for another disappointing season. Now they look like the team likely to be in the finals. And even though I like the Bucks (certainly more than the Nets or Sixers), it would feel like they made it by default to me.

Who knows, though, the Bucks also might just lose to the Irving/Harden-less Nets. They’re that kind of team.