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Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1401 » by Dresden » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:25 pm

Almost Retired wrote:Ben Johnson, Detroit Lions offensive coordinator

Ben Johnson is the bell of the ball for NFL teams in the market for a new head coach. While some will knock the fact that he’s now backed down on two potential head-coaching gigs in consecutive years – Carolina Panthers in 2023 and the Washington Commanders in 2024 – that’s not going to matter much for desperate teams.

The resume speaks for itself. Jared Goff is playing at an even higher level than he did with Sean McVay and the warts that prevented the Los Angeles Rams from winning a Super Bowl are now gone from Goff with Johnson. He is a phenomenal offensive architect and the demand for his services means he will, once again, get to dictate what job he takes and his next salary. The team to keep a close eye on is the Chicago Bears.


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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1402 » by jordanwilliams6 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:37 pm

CBS7 wrote:Despite this trainwreck of the season I really don't feel the dread. We have Caleb, some great skill position players locked up, a great cap situation, and extra draft capital. This is why I don't hate Poles. He whiffed on Eberflus, but that's fine.

It’s important not overreact too much. If you reverse the Commanders & Packers games (we should have won both in a realistic sense) then we are 6-5 and pushing for the playoffs. That’s about where everyone expected us to be.

We’ve had some poor games as a team and that includes Caleb but he’s still a rookie. It’s also important to recognise that the coaching is poor and should be upgraded as a priority along with minor positional moves.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1403 » by nitetrain8603 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:55 pm

Charlesareed wrote:
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I don't think any of that negates nomorezorros points, however. He doesn't have a staff in place. He barely started communicating with the QB two weeks ago (as stated by said QB). You want that franchise QB to now have to talk to someone else they don't know or haven't started a growing relationship with and who will also probably be gone at the end of the year? That's the definition of having too many voices in your QBs ears.

The only thing he has going for himself is that his playbook is not much different than Shane Waldron's. They're both from the same tree. It's why TB was brought in. There won't be much change there. But what Caleb needs more than anything is to be coached up. The issues on offense are not with the playbook.

Let's also pump the brakes on TB. It's two weeks. Let's see what he does for the rest of the season. Heck, if we listened to folks around here last year, Bobby Slowik, who is about to be fired, would've been brought in. The point being is you can have spurts of looking good. You can also have be great at one thing, but bad at another.

In the end, if your priority is Caleb's development, you shouldn't keep playing musical chairs in the coaching room because you just don't like Eberflus. Unless you are hiring a coach today and giving him a 3-4 year deal today, then it makes no sense to fire Eberflus now. You're not saving the season doing it at this point. At best, you're giving yourself a worse pick.


Good point about Slowik. He was the hot guy last offseason, and this year HOU has regressed. To some extent, same thing with Kingsbury in WAS- they haven't trailed off recently, and lost to a terrible DAL team last week.

And speaking of WAS, Daniels also hasn't looked as good lately. Bo Nix is coming up fast on him for OROY. If Caleb continues to play the way he has the past two weeks, he might be in that convo as well.



Eberflus is gone either way might aswell fire him now and see how the team plays under brown it won’t hurt to just see in a lost season what’s the worst can happen at this point


The worst that can happen is that you further hinder your QBs development when you didn't need to, upsetting him and he either busts or succeeds anyway and wants to leave your franchise in 4 years.

The worst that can happen is that Thomas Brown nevers gets another crack at coaching again because he accepted a position setup for him to fail him

The worst that can happen is that the Bears win a few more meangingless games that negatively affect draft position and potential trades.

The only coach who I could see accept such a bad situation would be one that already believes they won't get another crack at that again or one who has been guaranteed the job for the next 3-4 years. Are you willing to guarantee Thomas Brown the job off of 2 games?

Someone else said it too. The Bears win meaningless games down the stretch that serve as a mirage and then come back down to earth next year.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1404 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:38 pm

Charlesareed wrote:
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I don't think any of that negates nomorezorros points, however. He doesn't have a staff in place. He barely started communicating with the QB two weeks ago (as stated by said QB). You want that franchise QB to now have to talk to someone else they don't know or haven't started a growing relationship with and who will also probably be gone at the end of the year? That's the definition of having too many voices in your QBs ears.

The only thing he has going for himself is that his playbook is not much different than Shane Waldron's. They're both from the same tree. It's why TB was brought in. There won't be much change there. But what Caleb needs more than anything is to be coached up. The issues on offense are not with the playbook.

Let's also pump the brakes on TB. It's two weeks. Let's see what he does for the rest of the season. Heck, if we listened to folks around here last year, Bobby Slowik, who is about to be fired, would've been brought in. The point being is you can have spurts of looking good. You can also have be great at one thing, but bad at another.

In the end, if your priority is Caleb's development, you shouldn't keep playing musical chairs in the coaching room because you just don't like Eberflus. Unless you are hiring a coach today and giving him a 3-4 year deal today, then it makes no sense to fire Eberflus now. You're not saving the season doing it at this point. At best, you're giving yourself a worse pick.


Good point about Slowik. He was the hot guy last offseason, and this year HOU has regressed. To some extent, same thing with Kingsbury in WAS- they haven't trailed off recently, and lost to a terrible DAL team last week.

And speaking of WAS, Daniels also hasn't looked as good lately. Bo Nix is coming up fast on him for OROY. If Caleb continues to play the way he has the past two weeks, he might be in that convo as well.



Eberflus is gone either way might aswell fire him now and see how the team plays under brown it won’t hurt to just see in a lost season what’s the worst can happen at this point


Everyone hopes Eberflus is gone but no one really knows what the agreement was about this season .
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1405 » by Dresden » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:43 am

Everyone thought last year he'd be fired for sure, too.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1406 » by dice » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:53 am

season to date:

offense:

yards/drive: 27th
points/drive: 24th

defense:

yards/drive: 15th
points/drive: 7th

7th turnovers forced
T6 lowest missed tackles
5th lowest penalty yards

25th oppt pass yds per attempt
5th highest pressure %

29th oppt rush yds per attempt
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1407 » by fleet » Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:15 am

I’m not gonna try to verify these numbers, but I glanced a similar graphic on the Fox show, and Stroud was trailing both Caleb and Daniels IIRC. Which is really what I need from the Panthers trade….for the Bears quarterback to be able to keep Stroud in the rear view mirror. Otherwise, **** that trade. I didn’t have time to read the other names, there was like 6 or 7 on the list that Caleb was holding his own with.

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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1408 » by sco » Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:19 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-qb-caleb-williams-sets-185518858.html

Caleb breaks record for most passes without throwing an interception!...or touchdown
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1409 » by Chi town » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:17 pm

I think CW would be all time elite if we had TB all season and training camp as OC. I consider TB thus far to be NFL average. Waldron was the Flus of OC’s. Incompetent. He held CW back big time.

I think we will see our QB ball out rest of the way.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1410 » by Chi town » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:19 pm

sco wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bears-qb-caleb-williams-sets-185518858.html

Caleb breaks record for most passes without throwing an interception!...or touchdown
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That’s all Flus and Waldron ball control BS. It’s why he won’t pull the trigger or throw anyone open. This is the biggest hindrance to his development.

He will push through it though and will learn to let it fly.

I’m fine with some interceptions if we are also hitting big plays and TDs. I want him pushing the envelope and seeing what he can do. I hope it’s that way the rest of the way.

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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1411 » by Dresden » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:16 pm

dice wrote:season to date:

offense:

yards/drive: 27th
points/drive: 24th

defense:

yards/drive: 15th
yards/drive: 7th

7th turnovers forced
T6 lowest missed tackles
5th lowest penalty yards

25th oppt pass yds per attempt
5th highest pressure %

29th oppt rush yds per attempt


A couple of those are eye openers- we're 5th highest in pressuring opponents QBs?? Or is that our QB is getting pressured the 5th most?

We're good at tackling, getting turnovers, and avoiding penalties- that's all positive.

But we are a sieve v. the run, and not much better v. the pass.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1412 » by Dresden » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:33 pm

The Bears went to the sideline after Tillery’s block and decided to insert right tackle Darnell Wright in place of Jones. Santos made two field goals after that, including a 48-yarder to send the game to overtime.

“Darnell didn’t blink,” Hightower said. “Darnell said, ‘Hey, whatever you need.’ And yesterday he was, ‘Hey, whatever else I can do. Let me know. Anything you want me to do, I’ll do it, Coach.’ So that guy’s attitude is phenomenal.”

That's from Yahoo Sports.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1413 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:35 am

What would be a win for the Bears tomorrow? Holding the Lions to under 28. Scoring at least 3 TD's. I think the second will be more likely than the first.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1414 » by fleet » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:43 pm

-Bears are competing

-Lions just too goood

-Toast Stevenson true to form
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1415 » by patryk7754 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:47 pm

Everything is so precise in the Lions offense. And virtually no mistakes in execution. It’s a perfect combination of coaching up a system, play calling and the playing near perfect understanding of the offense
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1416 » by fleet » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:47 pm

Ben Johnson stopped running the ball on the goal line. Mistake. Not that it’s gonna matter in the end.
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Post#1417 » by patryk7754 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:49 pm

The lions back up LT has been pretty good taking over for an injured decker. Idk if he’s a free agent but I don’t expect the lions to cut decker. The backup really whooped Jacob marring on that drive.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1418 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:49 pm

fleet wrote:-Bears are competing

-Lions just too goood

-Toast Stevenson true to form


Stevenson had soft coverage on one play that allowed a 1st down pickup, but he had excellent coverage on 3rd down in the red zone that forced an incompletion and a FG instead of a TD. So no, he wasn't really toast on that drive.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1419 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:50 pm

Gordon is really playing well this year. He's going to get a big contract. And Hicks is out with a concussion- so we're down to a 3rd string safety.
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Re: Bears 8.0: Season being flushed down the drain 

Post#1420 » by Dresden » Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:55 pm

fleet wrote:Ben Johnson stopped running the ball on the goal line. Mistake. Not that it’s gonna matter in the end.


Yeah, if they had kept running it, they likely would have scored 7. Bears have to avoid big plays on defense, try to hold them to fg's, and then move the ball at least a little bit on offense to give the defense a rest. If they do all that, they might only lose by 14.

A 3 and out on the first series is not the way to start. Again, it's the lack of a run game that hurst them. They had 2nd and 4 and then lost 2 on a run play. And then Caleb almost got DJ killed.

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