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Jcool0 wrote:fleet wrote:
158 QBR. AR8 150 QBR.
Difference being
patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
. Then you need to find another team to cheer for; it takes time to develop an NFL quarterback. I'm being realistic: the offense is going to struggle for the first few weeks of the season.patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
Susan wrote:
Fields with zero sacks in the first half, impressive half for the Jets. Over 5.5 minutes ahead on TOP, that Steelers defense is going to get tired in the second half.
Steelers running game is non-existent, they're relying on Rodgers magic but with the way he moves in the pocket there's just less magic there.
Bulls69 wrote:. Then you need to find another team to cheer for; it takes time to develop an NFL quarterback. I'm being realistic: the offense is going to struggle for the first few weeks of the season.patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
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dougthonus wrote:dice wrote:dougthonus wrote:
Mathematically it is a terrible idea to give up high value assets for the right to pay market value for a player even if you cannot get that player in FA at the same value. Overall, when you repeat this transaction you lose total value. Yes, you might miss out on this guy, but over time you will have the option to get a different guy and have more total value. There are times when that is fine because you are aiming for a title immediately and thus you need to maximize value in a short term window, the Bears have not been in that position under Poles.
i finally have a doppleganger!
Haha, I've been your doppleganger on this one the whole time
dougthonus wrote:fleet wrote:Things have broken pretty well for Poles and the Bears all considering the shenanigans. (we think) The Bears have a future. But what could have been is the painful part. The disappointing aspect of his tenure is that it could have been so much better had he stopped pressing, earnestly listened to other opinions, and used some basic common wisdom that he was preaching, but not following. He’s probably got some decent insights, but he hasn’t augmented his base ability with other perspectives. That’s a tough way to live.
People feel the arrow is pointing up, but the reality is we have 3, 7, 5 wins over his first 3 years, most of the good stuff feels like dumb luck, and so far he hasn't leveraged the good stuff into any results in the record books. If Caleb is a miss, then he will be a generationally dumb GM to whiff on pro bowl QBs with the #1 pick in back to back years that go #2.
SalmonsSuperfan wrote:dice wrote:QBR by college season:
2021 - JD 66 caleb 83*
2022 - JD 72 caleb 84
2023 - JD 93 caleb 80
*8 games
caleb was consistently excellent and the higher rated recruit as well. so the question was whether JD's freakish heisman year aided by tremendous receivers was a fluke
In hindsight, can definitely say it wasn't a fluke, right? I don't think you can call it "freakish", "aided by receivers" because he's clearly a very good NFL player and the QBR differential between them is even more pronounced in the NFL (~25 points). If you just look at this trend you've posted, one shows a guy who is improving year over year while the other guy looks stagnant. Based on what I know of their college careers (not much), Jayden's game looked like it would actually translate whereas Caleb seemed like the Jimmer Fredette of QBs. Undersized for one, but mostly in the sense of taking advantage of non-professional defenders doing stuff that isn't gonna fly in the pros (scrambling around, holding onto the ball forever).
I dunno what NFL scouts were thinking. I mean, I'm saying this in hindsight, but it seems absurd to me that Caleb was "clearly" the number one pick. Didn't he suck in big games against the best college teams?
fleet wrote:No sign of sophomore slump for JD
Dolphins proving they are butthurt soft losers
Drake Maye doing his job in year 2patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
Wow
Dresden wrote:As I said in an earlier post, CJ Stoud's QBP was 17th in the league last year, just 4 spots better than Caleb's. So the jury is still out on how good he'll actually by. In any case, you can't call Poles a "generationally dumb GM" for doing what at least 90% of the other GM's would have done in similar situations.
I also don't find it very convincing to slough off all the positive things that have happened the past 3 years as just "dumb luck". Just to name one, it wasn't dumb luck that Ben Johnson chose the Bears to be the team he coaches for.
Bulls69 wrote:. Then you need to find another team to cheer for; it takes time to develop an NFL quarterback. I'm being realistic: the offense is going to struggle for the first few weeks of the season.patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
Dresden wrote:dougthonus wrote:fleet wrote:Things have broken pretty well for Poles and the Bears all considering the shenanigans. (we think) The Bears have a future. But what could have been is the painful part. The disappointing aspect of his tenure is that it could have been so much better had he stopped pressing, earnestly listened to other opinions, and used some basic common wisdom that he was preaching, but not following. He’s probably got some decent insights, but he hasn’t augmented his base ability with other perspectives. That’s a tough way to live.
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dice wrote:Bulls69 wrote:. Then you need to find another team to cheer for; it takes time to develop an NFL quarterback. I'm being realistic: the offense is going to struggle for the first few weeks of the season.patryk7754 wrote:I swear to god, Williams better be mvp
yeah, i mean it'd be pretty ironic to crucify caleb for another so-so season based on comparison to a guy in fields who would be having his breakout season in year 5
anyhoo...fields 0-1 leading the jets. discuss
dougthonus wrote:Dresden wrote:As I said in an earlier post, CJ Stoud's QBP was 17th in the league last year, just 4 spots better than Caleb's. So the jury is still out on how good he'll actually by. In any case, you can't call Poles a "generationally dumb GM" for doing what at least 90% of the other GM's would have done in similar situations.
You can call him generationally dumb for not having a process to fully evaluate every QB when picking #1 in the draft which feels like what was reported, and has been insinuated in the past.I also don't find it very convincing to slough off all the positive things that have happened the past 3 years as just "dumb luck". Just to name one, it wasn't dumb luck that Ben Johnson chose the Bears to be the team he coaches for.
The vast majority of good things come down to the Lovie Smith winning a pointless game in the final seconds to move their team from #1 to #2. It was an event that Poles had no control over.
Bulls69 wrote:dice wrote:Bulls69 wrote:. Then you need to find another team to cheer for; it takes time to develop an NFL quarterback. I'm being realistic: the offense is going to struggle for the first few weeks of the season.
yeah, i mean it'd be pretty ironic to crucify caleb for another so-so season based on comparison to a guy in fields who would be having his breakout season in year 5
anyhoo...fields 0-1 leading the jets. discuss
I was a Fields backer, but that ship has sailed. I support my quarterback, Caleb Williams. I'm a Bears fan first; I have been since Walter Payton and Roland Harper were the Bears' running backs.
patryk7754 wrote:Some of you guys take posts on here way too serious
