Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Bulls03]

For those opposed to trading Jimmy, what's your hypothetical scenario for the next two years? You obviously need to sign one/two big name free agents this summer to keep Jimmy happy.

Let's say we get Jrue and Ibaka resulting in a starting lineup of:

Jrue
Wade
Butler
Ibaka
RoLo

Top 5 eastern team but not better than Cleveland and still on par with Washington, Boston, etc. Hell, replace Ibaka with Blake Griffin and we still only have a puncher's chance at beating LeBron. And even if we get past him, the Warriors would destroy us in a gentleman's sweep at best.

No one is beating Golden State anytime soon so the best you can hope for is the opportunity to get your ass handed to you by either LeBron or Steph.

Sorry but I'd much rather cash Jimmy in NOW and gamble with multiple high lotto picks allowing Cleveland and GS to Duke it out over the next 3-5 years.

Pray you strike gold with at least 2 picks and attempt to build a team that will be in contention by the end of the Warrior dynasty.



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I know the playoffs are different, but this year's team has given CLE a rough time - add Holiday and Ibaka and I like our chances.

GS is a Curry injury away from being beatable by that team. Sign me up!!!

Jrue
Wade
Jimmy
Ibaka
Bosh

With our money that's possible.

[DarthDiggler69]

Both Brooklyn picks and trash is fine for me, maybe throw in a 2nd rounder too because Gar/Pax are at least good with those

[Ralphb07]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

[KissedByaRose1]

I think it's very safe to say we've reached Sacramento levels of franchise ineptitude. I'm in the keep Butler camp and pray to God that Reinsdorf gets his head out of his ass, fires GarPax and hires a competent GM. That way we have a prayer of competing in his prime.

Spoiler-this won't happen. We're guna suck for awhile and you're kidding yourself if you think differently.

[Dez]

I think it's very safe to say we've reached Sacramento levels of franchise ineptitude. I'm in the keep Butler camp and pray to God that Reinsdorf gets his head out of his ass, fires GarPax and hires a competent GM. That way we have a prayer of competing in his prime.

Spoiler-this won't happen. We're guna suck for awhile and you're kidding yourself if you think differently.

Sacramento level of incompetence? Get your hand off it.

[jimmy_smith]

Draft pick are the most overrate asset in NBA, the odd is ALWAYS against you.

I use random number generate program to choose the top 3 pick between 1980-2016
the result are

2nd pick 1989 - Danny Ferry (who?)
1st pick 1995 - Joe Smith (meh)
3rd pick 1989 - Sean Elliott (1989 again? but not that bad, still isn't worth Jimmy)
2nd pick 1980 - Darrell Griffith (between all-star Joe Barry Carroll and HOF Mchale, YOU give me Darrell Griffith?!)
2nd pick 1988 - Rik Smits (meh)
3rd pick 1994 - Grant Hill (finally a player worth trading Jimmy for)
3rd pick 2012 - Bradley Beal (decent but not worth Jimmy)
2nd pick 1997 - Keith Van Horn (between Duncan at 1st and Billups at 3rd, I get Keith Van f**king Horn)
1st pick 2000 - Kenyon Martin (meh)
3rd pick 2015 - Jahlil Okafor (plz kill me)

Ever with ALL 3 of Nets picks, the odd of getting player better than Jimmy is slim.

[DarthDiggler69]

How about Brookyn's 2017 First rounder
Jaylen Brown or Bradley plus trash to make it fit
The 3 second rounders owed to them. (Gar/Pax are better at these then first rounders)

[KissedByaRose1]

I think it's very safe to say we've reached Sacramento levels of franchise ineptitude. I'm in the keep Butler camp and pray to God that Reinsdorf gets his head out of his ass, fires GarPax and hires a competent GM. That way we have a prayer of competing in his prime.

Spoiler-this won't happen. We're guna suck for awhile and you're kidding yourself if you think differently.

Sacramento level of incompetence? Get your hand off it.

Tell me how exactly our situations are crazy different going forward right now?

[ArizonaBullsFan]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

[MisterRoy]

How about just fire the front office and let the new front office build around Jimmy? We should get rid of the problem, not the solution.


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[gobullschi]

What do people prefer:

1. Staying the course. Dump Niko for something. Make the playoffs (most likely). Hope Dwayne Wade can recruit Chris Paul or Blake Griffin.

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Dwayne Wade
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Taj Gibson
C: Robin Lopez

2. Blow it up. Move Butler for Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, and 2017 1st Rounder (BKN)

[Ben]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

Please post here more often.

[kulaz3000]

How about just fire the front office and let the new front office build around Jimmy? We should get rid of the problem, not the solution.


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Here is the problem. We can all say that Jimmy is worth keeping and we can build a contender around him, but the truth remains we don't know whether he is a no.1 or a no.2 on a really good team because the front office hasn't done Jimmy any favors by not building a team suited for him and as such if they do decide to trade Jimmy they would be doing it without giving a chance to build around him to actually see if he is capable of being the no.1 option.

[MisterRoy]

I would consider pinning hopes on a draft pick and gamble as well. The devil you know is better than the devil you dont.


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[Ralphb07]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

While Boston is of topic there's other teams for Jimmy. I'm not disagreeing in the Bulls shouldn't push for both but that while not getting it I see other deals that can work, i.e Bradley and Brown. I doubt Bradley and Brown would be involved in they were offered both picks. To me when I talk Jimmy trades its in mind that the Bulls decided to reboot.

[Ralphb07]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

Please post here more often.

How bout both of you post more

[Patsfan1081]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

As a Celtic fan I would have no problem giving up both Brooklyn picks, Zizic(though I'm really high on the kid), or whatever. My actual concern was giving away both picks plus Brown, I actually love the kid and believe he could shoot at the average from three. He's at 31% for the season yet is streaky within the limited minutes he played. What I haven't seen discussed at all among the boards is getting another team involved. I'm not sure if the Bulls would be looking at a full rebuild or not if they moved on from Butler but let's say if they wanted another good pick or young player then why not flip say Crowder to another team, he may not fit the Bulls plan but he does have pretty good value and could most likely yield a good return.

[Chi]

Not a lot in this league I would trade Jimmy for...

[Ralphb07]

Brown was the #3 pick last year so getting him and this years pick the Bulls would be getting two top 3 picks for Jimmy, plus one of Bradley/Crowder and probably another asset. Keeping Butler may be people's preference but the above deal is a nice haul for a team looking to blow it up

Maybe, but Ainge has to pay a premium for getting another year of playoffs out of Butler.

If I can't get both BKN picks plus Zizic while adding Lopez for Johnson, then I wait to see what I can do in free agency this summer. If the Bulls can't add at least a Hayward or Lowry this summer, you can still get the deal you're proposing after free agency.

And I have zero interest in Brown, to me wing players who are lousy 3-point shooters don't have a whole lot of value, no matter how athletic they are.

As a Celtic fan I would have no problem giving up both Brooklyn picks, Zizic(though I'm really high on the kid), or whatever. My actual concern was giving away both picks plus Brown, I actually love the kid and believe he could shoot at the average from three. He's at 31% for the season yet is streaky within the limited minutes he played. What I haven't seen discussed at all among the boards is getting another team involved. I'm not sure if the Bulls would be looking at a full rebuild or not if they moved on from Butler but let's say if they wanted another good pick or young player then why not flip say Crowder to another team, he may not fit the Bulls plan but he does have pretty good value and could most likely yield a good return.

You might want to talk sense on you boy Ainge... Not only Bulls fans but more importantly Bulls management would rather both BK picks and if Ainge offered it Jimmy would be a Celtic right now....

Ainge is just too greedy it seems. I think Ainge could get Butler and Lopez and be right there with Cleveland

[BahamaBull]

Not a lot in this league I would trade Jimmy for...

i would say i would trade him for 7-9 guys in this league...and thats it!

#buildaroundjimmycamp