Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART

[Ice Man]

Duncan Robinson is Kyle Korver squared. Shooting 44% on 3s this year in higher volume than Korver ever did, literally does nothing else. Today he took 12 shots from the field, made 9. All 3s. That's 27 points on 12 shots, Miami won the game by 3. I think that's the future of the game, one guy in the lineup who absolutely is nothing but a without conscience bomber.

[SfBull]

Zion struggling against Mavs' frontcourt,good test for him.

[Dresden]

Duncan Robinson is Kyle Korver squared. Shooting 44% on 3s this year in higher volume than Korver ever did, literally does nothing else. Today he took 12 shots from the field, made 9. All 3s. That's 27 points on 12 shots, Miami won the game by 3. I think that's the future of the game, one guy in the lineup who absolutely is nothing but a without conscience bomber.

Sure, if you can find them. And if they aren't an absolute sieve on defense. But no matter what, it's clear that the more 3 point shooters you have, the better you will be. Tonight for instance, MN got back into the game after we had a 13 point lead by just making 3's. 4 possessions, 12 points.

[dumbell78]

Man Luka just shook Jrue Holiday at the top of the key nasty. Kid is so special.

[Dresden]

They are the worst fo in the league along with Michael Jordan (ironically). Worst eyes for talent in the league. Presti his clean up crew cannot come soon enough

Lauri was a very good pick at #7 until this season. Coby is looking like the 3rd best player in his class. Jimmy Butler. Niko Mirotic. Bobby Portis was pretty good for where he was picked. Not to mention Deng, Noah, Hinrich, Gordon, etc., etc. I'd say they've identified some pretty good players during their tenure.

they've been terrible since drafting jimmy/niko. lauri's promise is mostly gone. he's certainly not high ceiling at this point. and save his recent hot streak coby has played like a 2nd rounder w/ free reign to shoot

No, they haven't. Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

If you expect the GM to be able to find a Jimmy Butler or a Manu Ginobilli every year, than every GM is a horrible drafter by that standard.

[dice]

Lauri was a very good pick at #7 until this season. Coby is looking like the 3rd best player in his class. Jimmy Butler. Niko Mirotic. Bobby Portis was pretty good for where he was picked. Not to mention Deng, Noah, Hinrich, Gordon, etc., etc. I'd say they've identified some pretty good players during their tenure.

they've been terrible since drafting jimmy/niko. lauri's promise is mostly gone. he's certainly not high ceiling at this point. and save his recent hot streak coby has played like a 2nd rounder w/ free reign to shoot

No, they haven't.

maybe terrible was an overstatement in terms of drafting. but their drafting in combination with bad trades is why the team sucks now

Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

#21 pick in the draft, #21 in the draft in VORP. he's not a good example for either side of the argument. he was expected to be mediocre and mediocre he has been. terrible defender, very inefficient scorer...he's basically only good for rebounding

larry nance and montrezl harrell were on the board

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

left out jarrett allen and john collins at minimum. and every team would take lonzo over lauri in a re-draft as well. trending in different directions

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

brodgon, dejounte murray, arguably zubac and beasley. i'm not gonna criticize that pick though

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

agreed

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

needed a big and passed on dieng, plumlee and gobert. roberson was better too until he got injured. pretty big whiff

also, you left out the inexplicable teague selection when we didn't even need a backup PG, we DID need a big and crowder/draymond/middleton were on the board

finally, the elephant in the room...doug mcdermott

[GameBredAPBT]

Lauri was a very good pick at #7 until this season. Coby is looking like the 3rd best player in his class. Jimmy Butler. Niko Mirotic. Bobby Portis was pretty good for where he was picked. Not to mention Deng, Noah, Hinrich, Gordon, etc., etc. I'd say they've identified some pretty good players during their tenure.

they've been terrible since drafting jimmy/niko. lauri's promise is mostly gone. he's certainly not high ceiling at this point. and save his recent hot streak coby has played like a 2nd rounder w/ free reign to shoot

No, they haven't. Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

If you expect the GM to be able to find a Jimmy Butler or a Manu Ginobilli every year, than every GM is a horrible drafter by that standard.

No GM in the league would take Markkanen over Collins. Lauri might not ever be better than collins is right now, nevermind their primes. You’re overrating Fox, he’s been bad this year. Definitely wouldn’t get drafted above Collins. That redraft goes Tatum, Mitchell, Collins. As of right now, anyways

I see very few paths to success for Carter Jr. he’s not a top athlete, he doesn’t have great size, he isn’t a natural shooter, no handles whatsoever, mediocre passer, and he’s constantly injured, and is now grossly overweight. He was a disastrous pick over SGA, who would have fit in perfectly & who a lot of people were clamoring for over WCJ. They had no business drafting him, especially with how available centers are nowadays & with Markkanen already on the team. Can you imagine Zach/SGA/Coby?

Jimmy wasn’t Jimmy when the Bulls drafted him, and Thibs deserves a lot of the credit for his development. The fo didnt do anything. They traded him when he was going into his prime & they fired the guy who developed him (a guy who they didn’t even hire. The owner hired him)

[dice]

they've been terrible since drafting jimmy/niko. lauri's promise is mostly gone. he's certainly not high ceiling at this point. and save his recent hot streak coby has played like a 2nd rounder w/ free reign to shoot

No, they haven't. Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

If you expect the GM to be able to find a Jimmy Butler or a Manu Ginobilli every year, than every GM is a horrible drafter by that standard.

No GM in the league would take Markkanen over Collins. Lauri might not ever be better than collins is right now, nevermind their primes. You’re overrating Fox, he’s been bad this year. Definitely wouldn’t get drafted above Collins. That redraft goes Tatum, Mitchell, Collins. As of right now, anyways

I see very few paths to success for Carter Jr. he’s not a top athlete, he doesn’t have great size, he isn’t a natural shooter, no handles whatsoever, mediocre passer, and he’s constantly injured, and is now grossly overweight. He was a disastrous pick over SGA, who would have fit in perfectly & who a lot of people were clamoring for over WCJ. They had no business drafting him, especially with how available centers are nowadays & with Markkanen already on the team. Can you imagine Zach/SGA/Coby?

if they shouldn't have taken WCJ because we had another starting big on the roster (lauri) - a weird suggestion - it would make even less sense to draft back-to-back combo guards w/ zach on the roster

Jimmy wasn’t Jimmy when the Bulls drafted him, and Thibs deserves a lot of the credit for his development. The fo didnt do anything.

that would suggest that thibs would have developed any old player they took in that spot into a star. which is preposterous

[Dresden]

they've been terrible since drafting jimmy/niko. lauri's promise is mostly gone. he's certainly not high ceiling at this point. and save his recent hot streak coby has played like a 2nd rounder w/ free reign to shoot

No, they haven't.

maybe terrible was an overstatement in terms of drafting. but their drafting in combination with bad trades is why the team sucks now

Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

#21 pick in the draft, #21 in the draft in VORP. he's not a good example for either side of the argument. he was expected to be mediocre and mediocre he has been. terrible defender, very inefficient scorer...he's basically only good for rebounding

larry nance and montrezl harrell were on the board

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

left out jarrett allen and john collins at minimum. and every team would take lonzo over lauri in a re-draft as well. trending in different directions

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

brodgon, dejounte murray, arguably zubac and beasley. i'm not gonna criticize that pick though

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

agreed

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

needed a big and passed on dieng, plumlee and gobert. roberson was better too until he got injured. pretty big whiff

also, you left out the inexplicable teague selection when we didn't even need a backup PG, we DID need a big and crowder/draymond/middleton were on the board

finally, the elephant in the room...doug mcdermott

Sure, you can argue a player here or there might be better or worse than the guy we picked, but the overall picture is that the Bulls did pretty well in selecting guys that have proven to be decent picks for where they were taken. Not horrible, as you stated in your post. And yes, they did whiff badly on McDermott and Teague. But teams whiff all the freaking time in the draft.

[dice]

No, they haven't.

maybe terrible was an overstatement in terms of drafting. but their drafting in combination with bad trades is why the team sucks now

Bobby Portis has had a better career than almost everyone taken after him, and better than half the players taken before him.

#21 pick in the draft, #21 in the draft in VORP. he's not a good example for either side of the argument. he was expected to be mediocre and mediocre he has been. terrible defender, very inefficient scorer...he's basically only good for rebounding

larry nance and montrezl harrell were on the board

Lauri is still better or equal to anyone taken before him other than Tatum, Fox and Ball. And better than anyone taken after him other than Mitchell, Bam and Kuzma.

left out jarrett allen and john collins at minimum. and every team would take lonzo over lauri in a re-draft as well. trending in different directions

Denzel is as good as half the players taken ahead of him, and better than anyone after him other than LaVert and Siakam.

brodgon, dejounte murray, arguably zubac and beasley. i'm not gonna criticize that pick though

Wendell is still not a finished product, but the only guy taken after him that jumps out is Shai.

agreed

Other than Gobert, no one has done much better than Snell. Maybe Allen Crabbe.

needed a big and passed on dieng, plumlee and gobert. roberson was better too until he got injured. pretty big whiff

also, you left out the inexplicable teague selection when we didn't even need a backup PG, we DID need a big and crowder/draymond/middleton were on the board

finally, the elephant in the room...doug mcdermott

Sure, you can argue a player here or there might be better or worse than the guy we picked, but the overall picture is that the Bulls did pretty well in selecting guys that have proven to be decent picks for where they were taken. Not horrible, as you stated in your post. And yes, they did whiff badly on McDermott and Teague. But teams whiff all the freaking time in the draft.

so what we've got is a bunch of mediocre choices and a couple of horrible (and more importantly, MISGUIDED) whiffs. that's well below average performance. which is a big reason the bulls are a bad team

[RSP83]

Chris Wood is quietly turning the corner in Detroit. I've been watching Pistons game due Derrick, and Wood has really step up since the Drummond trade. I think he's worth keeping an eye on.

[dice]

Man Luka just shook Jrue Holiday at the top of the key nasty. Kid is so special.

think if he becomes a good shooter

[dice]

35p/0r/0a/0b/0s

terrence ross last night

[Repeat 3-peat]

The Clippers have dominated the Rockets.

[dumbell78]

Clippers are the best team in the league.

[dice]

Clippers are the best team in the league.

40-10 lakers w/ AD and lebron in lineup
22-7 clips w/ PG and kawhi

[dumbell78]

Clippers are the best team in the league.

40-10 lakers w/ AD and lebron in lineup
22-7 clips w/ PG and kawhi

I'll put my money on the Clips.

Records aren't going to be the end all. Bucks are 52-9 and wouldn't take them over the Clips.

[DASMACKDOWN]

It was so great to watch Curry last night. Hes one of my favorite players.

[Dresden]

maybe terrible was an overstatement in terms of drafting. but their drafting in combination with bad trades is why the team sucks now


#21 pick in the draft, #21 in the draft in VORP. he's not a good example for either side of the argument. he was expected to be mediocre and mediocre he has been. terrible defender, very inefficient scorer...he's basically only good for rebounding

larry nance and montrezl harrell were on the board


left out jarrett allen and john collins at minimum. and every team would take lonzo over lauri in a re-draft as well. trending in different directions


brodgon, dejounte murray, arguably zubac and beasley. i'm not gonna criticize that pick though


agreed


needed a big and passed on dieng, plumlee and gobert. roberson was better too until he got injured. pretty big whiff

also, you left out the inexplicable teague selection when we didn't even need a backup PG, we DID need a big and crowder/draymond/middleton were on the board

finally, the elephant in the room...doug mcdermott

Sure, you can argue a player here or there might be better or worse than the guy we picked, but the overall picture is that the Bulls did pretty well in selecting guys that have proven to be decent picks for where they were taken. Not horrible, as you stated in your post. And yes, they did whiff badly on McDermott and Teague. But teams whiff all the freaking time in the draft.

so what we've got is a bunch of mediocre choices and a couple of horrible (and more importantly, MISGUIDED) whiffs. that's well below average performance. which is a big reason the bulls are a bad team

But as I pointed out, those other choices were not "mediocre". It was the draft that was mediocre. What you're saying is that they didn't find any hidden gems. Which is true. Not another Jimmy Butler. But that's not bad drafting. A bad draft pick is when there were a lot of players taken after the pick that turned out better. Outside of Doug, I don't think you can say that about any of the picks. Even Teague- he was picked 29th or something. A lot of 29th picks don't pan out.

[jc23]

Man Kenny had it rough on Inside last night, first they show a clip of him in college getting the ball thrown off his back during an inbounds play for a score. Then later Chuck makes a side comment about how kenny doesnt have any money, which was in regards to the divorce he is going through. Ouch.