Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[TheFinishSniper]

Also I will say when you hear in media reports talking about Bears looking for new coach it means it's done deal. And I mean done deal in terms Nagy will be replaced sooner than later. Bears can deny it and go with "supporting coach" route but it's leaked for a reason. It's leaked so HC candidates and potential candidates around the league are aware job is/will be available.

[patryk7754]

with a victory the bears will be half a game behind the falcons for the final playoff spot heading into their bye week. with the falcons heading into dallas next week. take that for what it's worth

I don't think the bears are going to win and I don't think it'll be close. The Steelers defense is easily the best the bears will face so far. And to make things worse their biggest strength (pass-rushing) is perfect for our biggest weakness (pass protection). He got sacked 9 times against the Browns? I wouldn't be surprised if the steelers beat that. The only way the bears win is if the defense has a 2018 showing and scores two TDs which is doable against.

On the bright side this might be the ass beating that gets Nagy fired.

[patryk7754]

If the bears want an established HC, Jim Harbough being the top candidate makes the most sense. He's probably had the most NFL success than any other "established" coach, he ran a very successful offense with a similar QB in Kap (Fields is just a much better passer), there's a history with the team, and an added bonus is that he might make it much more likely to bring back Fangio. The only thing is that he has to leave Michigan first but I think there's a really good chance since they already lost to Mich St. and will most likely lose to Ohio St. again.

Overall, I don't think we need a "QB whisper" we need a great offensive mind and play-caller. If you have one as a coordinator you'll lose them to another team the makes them a HC. What needs to be avoided is solely hiring an OC because of their offensive genius, they need to show they can be leaders. I think The chiefs and bills OCs both have the leadership quality to be successful as HCs

[Susan]

with a victory the bears will be half a game behind the falcons for the final playoff spot heading into their bye week. with the falcons heading into dallas next week. take that for what it's worth

lol, it's bananas. And NOLA looked bad without Jameis. The hunt for the wildcard is going to be fun in the NFC this year.

They need a huge night from their offense because they're without Mack, Hicks. EJax and Olgetree (all most likely). Pitt's D is 10th ranked in Defensive DVOA.

Montgomery is back, Fields legs were unleashed last week and Herbert has proven to be legit. Gotta get more from the air if they're going to roll with this banged up defense. Thankfully Borom is healthy because when we have practice squad tackles on the road against good edge rushers, Justin gets wrecked and it looks ugly as all getout.

[Susan]

Also I will say when you hear in media reports talking about Bears looking for new coach it means it's done deal. And I mean done deal in terms Nagy will be replaced sooner than later. Bears can deny it and go with "supporting coach" route but it's leaked for a reason. It's leaked so HC candidates and potential candidates around the league are aware job is/will be available.

My ideal scenario is Pace going to EV of Football Ops because I don't trust Ted Phillips/George, Champ Kelly gets promoted within, they keep their scouting dept and bring in Jim Harbaugh with his handpicked coordinators and we have a new era with Fields as the focal point of the franchise going forward.

New eyes on the job, just focus on building around our franchise QB and laugh at Jordan Love being the Packers QB.

Harbaugh's contract is barely guaranteed year to year in Michigan. Something like 600k/yr is guaranteed, here's an article that details the situation better than I can:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927620-despite-contract-extension-michigans-jim-harbaugh-still-on-cfbs-hottest-seat

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

So when does Nagy get fired? After tonight?

[Susan]

So when does Nagy get fired? After tonight?

End of season, this isn't a dumpster fire and they still have a shot at that wildcard spot.

Last week wasn't a lack of effort but rather lack of defensive talent on the field due to injuries. They might have a push in them following the bye with a healthy Monty, Mack, Borom, Jenkins, Hicks and Jackson.

You're not getting anywhere with Tabor leading the charge (we saw him last week) and Nagy is just mediocre/not doing lasting damage.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

My ideal scenario is Pace going to EV of Football Ops because I don't trust Ted Phillips/George,

I see talking points like this so often and it's honestly so silly. Not to rag on you specifically Susan, but this would change nothing. Whether it's Pace, or occassionally it's mentioned in the framework of bringing in new "Pres of Football Ops", the structure is no different.

At the end of the day you have one #1 football guy who dictates the football ops. That's overwhelmingly how it works in the NFL. There is no issue of "trusting" an owner or CEO because in all but two franchises they outsource that work to a top football guy (those two cases being DAL and CIN where the owner runs football ops too) . A title change/elevation doesn't do anything.

The NFL is also unique from the NBA for instance. NBA teams have broad authority to block FO movement. NFL teams only have that broad authority at the number 2 spot and below. So if a guy isn't your top football guy, he's just a number two and you can't stop him from being hired away for another teams number 1 role.

[chicagoballer]

So when does Nagy get fired? After tonight?

End of season, this isn't a dumpster fire and they still have a shot at that wildcard spot.

Last week wasn't a lack of effort but rather lack of defensive talent on the field due to injuries. They might have a push in them following the bye with a healthy Monty, Mack, Borom, Jenkins, Hicks and Jackson.

You're not getting anywhere with Tabor leading the charge (we saw him last week) and Nagy is just mediocre/not doing lasting damage.

I agree that he will be fired at end of season. Don’t agree with the reason. He will be fired at the end because McCaskeys have never fired a coach mid-season. Even trestman was let go at the end of the season. Not sure if it is due to compassion or being cheap.

All football teams have injuries, should never be used as an excuse. I appreciate your consistent positivity with the bears, but it is a total dumpster fire. Too much money tied up in an aging defense and have to pay Roquan soon. Hicks will also be a FA. How much will you pay to a 32 yo DT? No first round pick. No QB (JF is a prospect). Busted high round draft picks. No proven playmakers on offense (A-rob demoted from that tag this season). And you have to work with the McCaskeys who seem to consistently fail at the sports part and are successful at the business part.

[Hold That]

There’s no point in firing Nagy right now. Might as well wait until the season is over .. Greg Roman should be the hire and Daboll if Roman isn’t available..
Roman took Kap to a super bowl, Tyrod Taylor made a pro bowl, and now he has Lamar..

If there was ever a coach who knows how to get the most out of a dual threat QB it’s Roman.. I’m not that high on DaBoll.. we need to make sure we get a coach who has history with dual threats. I don’t want any coaches learning on the job with how to handle a dual threat, the last decade Roman playbook has been designed around having a dual threat QB. And it’s not just experience with ONE it’s 3.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

There’s no point in firing Nagy right now. Might as well wait until the season is over .. Greg Roman should be the hire and Daboll if Roman isn’t available..
Roman took Kap to a super bowl, Tyrod Taylor made a pro bowl, and now he has Lamar..

If there was ever a coach who knows how to get the most out of a dual threat QB it’s Roman.. I’m not that high on DaBoll.. we need to make sure we get a coach who has history with dual threats. I don’t want any coaches learning on the job with how to handle a dual threat, the last decade Roman playbook has been designed around having a dual threat QB. And it’s not just experience with ONE it’s 3.

I disagree that there is no point in firing Nagy right now. I'm not against keeping him for the rest of the season but the point in firing him now would be to not waste Fields rookie season of development under his control. I would rather have Lazor as interim and tell him the remainder of the season is to develop this kid and get him some good experience instead of Nagy here trying to win with his terrible game planning trying to save his job and stunting another young QB's growth.

Can we get a wild card spot, sure. But this team from what I've seen is not making any noise in the playoffs with this coach, with this defense, with this offensive line, with a rookie QB. I actually think we would have a better chance making the playoffs without Nagy anyways. Who knows though, maybe we'll see a different coach out there now after his week off.

[Hold That]

There’s no point in firing Nagy right now. Might as well wait until the season is over .. Greg Roman should be the hire and Daboll if Roman isn’t available..
Roman took Kap to a super bowl, Tyrod Taylor made a pro bowl, and now he has Lamar..

If there was ever a coach who knows how to get the most out of a dual threat QB it’s Roman.. I’m not that high on DaBoll.. we need to make sure we get a coach who has history with dual threats. I don’t want any coaches learning on the job with how to handle a dual threat, the last decade Roman playbook has been designed around having a dual threat QB. And it’s not just experience with ONE it’s 3.

I disagree that there is no point in firing Nagy right now. I'm not against keeping him for the rest of the season but the point in firing him now would be to not waste Fields rookie season of development under his control. I would rather have Lazor as interim and tell him the remainder of the season is to develop this kid and get him some good experience instead of Nagy here trying to win with his terrible game planning trying to save his job and stunting another young QB's growth.

Can we get a wild card spot, sure. But this team from what I've seen is not making any noise in the playoffs with this coach, with this defense, with this offensive line, with a rookie QB. I actually think we would have a better chance making the playoffs without Nagy anyways. Who knows though, maybe we'll see a different coach out there now after his week off.

Bill Lazor has been calling plays for 3 weeks now. Nothing during that span tells me the Bears have a shot in hell at making the wildcard. It’s a pipe dream to think the bears will beat out one of the Rams/Cardinals or Saints for one of the wildcard spots. Bill Lazor has basically had bottom 5 offenses his last 5-6 seasons. Is he everyone hero because his name isn’t Nagy? Can’t possibly be his resume.

And we saw who was the interim coach last week it was not Lazor. Regardless there’s really no point in fields dealing with an interim mid season and then dealing with an entirely new coaching staff the start of next training camp.. keep it consistent until the end of the season, I assure you Nagy won’t ruin his development nor will it play any factor in his progression moving forward. If somehow these finals 8 games ruins fields because Nagy is still there to finish out the year, then Fields was never meant to be great to begin with. Nothing is gained by removing Nagy right now.

Name me some teams who fired coaches mid season and made a playoff run? Players check out once the coach is fired this late into the season. Firing Nagy right now is basically a neon sign saying we give up this season to veteran players mid season.. Especially when those players realize that interim will not be back next year. Then you basically are putting your QB in the hands of a staff whom they all know they won’t be back next year since Nagy is officially fired. Fans just want blood same with the media but don’t ever really think things through.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

There’s no point in firing Nagy right now. Might as well wait until the season is over .. Greg Roman should be the hire and Daboll if Roman isn’t available..
Roman took Kap to a super bowl, Tyrod Taylor made a pro bowl, and now he has Lamar..

If there was ever a coach who knows how to get the most out of a dual threat QB it’s Roman.. I’m not that high on DaBoll.. we need to make sure we get a coach who has history with dual threats. I don’t want any coaches learning on the job with how to handle a dual threat, the last decade Roman playbook has been designed around having a dual threat QB. And it’s not just experience with ONE it’s 3.

I disagree that there is no point in firing Nagy right now. I'm not against keeping him for the rest of the season but the point in firing him now would be to not waste Fields rookie season of development under his control. I would rather have Lazor as interim and tell him the remainder of the season is to develop this kid and get him some good experience instead of Nagy here trying to win with his terrible game planning trying to save his job and stunting another young QB's growth.

Can we get a wild card spot, sure. But this team from what I've seen is not making any noise in the playoffs with this coach, with this defense, with this offensive line, with a rookie QB. I actually think we would have a better chance making the playoffs without Nagy anyways. Who knows though, maybe we'll see a different coach out there now after his week off.

Bill Lazor has been calling plays for 3 weeks now. Nothing during that span tells me the Bears have a shot in hell at making the wildcard. It’s a pipe dream to think the bears will beat out one of the Rams/Cardinals or Saints for one of the wildcard spots. Bill Lazor has basically had bottom 5 offenses his last 5-6 seasons. Is he everyone hero because his name isn’t Nagy? Can’t possibly be his resume.

And we saw who was the interim coach last week it was not Lazor. Regardless there’s really no point in fields dealing with an interim mid season and then dealing with an entirely new coaching staff the start of next training camp.. keep it consistent until the end of the season, I assure you Nagy won’t ruin his development nor will it play any factor in his progression moving forward. If somehow these finals 8 games ruins fields because Nagy is still there to finish out the year, then Fields was never meant to be great to begin with. Nothing is gained by removing Nagy right now.

Name me some teams who fired coaches mid season and made a playoff run? Players check out once the coach is fired this late into the season. Firing Nagy right now is basically a neon sign saying we give up this season to veteran players mid season.. Especially when those players realize that interim will not be back next year. Then you basically are putting your QB in the hands of a staff whom they all know they won’t be back next year since Nagy is officially fired. Fans just want blood same with the media but don’t ever really think things through.

Oh no I’m with you on the playoffs thing. I just would like Nagy to be gone so he doesn’t continue to break our young qb trying to make the playoffs and save his job.

[fleet]

No problem with Lazor’s Nagy’s calls tonight. That said, holy crap.

[bearadonisdna]

Fields had no chemistry with Kmet.
It really hurts

[fleet]

Not a dumpster fire. It is just empty, beat up old dumpster. Forgotten, deep in the back of a vast dumpster boneyard.

[Hold That]

We don’t even look at ARob as a red zone target. Such a shame

[fleet]

Despite the earlier comment on play calls, still too much from the pocket for Justin.

Lately the last number of games, Justin has been uncorking some deep throws that would make Trubisky proud. The circumstances have affected him to a certain degree.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

This team is so undisciplined. Another effect of really poor coaching. 100+ yards of penalties.

[Hold That]

This team is so undisciplined. Another effect of really poor coaching. 100+ yards of penalties.

This team has always been undisciplined under Nagy.. Wims and Miller showed us that last year