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Re: Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed 

Post#1441 » by dougthonus » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:07 pm

Scalaboner wrote:I’d much rather try to free up max space for Kemba instead of Russell. His one season track record is suspect when throwing max money at him and fit is questionable here. Whereas Kemba is a better fit here and proven winner in both college and how he has developed in the NBA.


Pros for Russell:
1: Kemba's max vs D-Lo's max is 117M vs 140M. So it isn't a straight apples to apples situation

2: Kemba is almost certainly going to stay with Charlotte if they pony up the cash (has said his first priority is there, and he's eligible for super max there if they want to offer it, Charlotte can pay him massive amounts more), so the likelihood of this is less.

3: Kemba is 29 right now, we would have him for years 29, 30, 31, and 32. There's a fair chance he will decline over this period of time. D-Lo is 23 right now, you'd have him for years 23, 24, 25, and 26, likely the absolute prime of his career.

4: Look at their stats last season Kemba vs Russell and Russell has a much higher assist percentage and plays a lot less like a ball dominant player. It's more likely he'd fit with our other players.

Pros for Kemba:
1: You feel more confident that his year was not a fluke. Russell has only really had one good year and may have been a fluke.

2: You feel more confident in Kemba as a leader/character guy.

3: Russell is probably only obtainable if the Nets want and get Irving (and then likely a second max guy)

It's likely that neither guy is really available, but if I had my choice, I would go with Russell.
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Post#1442 » by Axolotl » Fri Jun 7, 2019 9:11 pm

I don't really mind the 2-year deals -thing. If the FO doesn't see a player or players available that they consider to be long term pieces, why should they make long term pieces out of those players?

Also, it can't be that rigid - if, strictly hypothetically of course, the agent of a star player calls and says that for some unfathomable reason apparently to do with the wonderful weather there his client wants to sign for the Chicago Bulls for four years of his prime, would Pax then say yeah, sorry no, we have this policy of two year deals only?

About D-Lo - there's something that makes me go like "I don't know man..." Not sure what it is exactly, and why.
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Post#1443 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Fri Jun 7, 2019 9:12 pm

LOL players arent in their prime at age 24,25,26 - but more from 26-30,when they matured enough and have experiance under belt.
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Post#1444 » by drosereturn » Sat Jun 8, 2019 12:23 am

Scalaboner wrote:I’d much rather try to free up max space for Kemba instead of Russell. His one season track record is suspect when throwing max money at him and fit is questionable here. Whereas Kemba is a better fit here and proven winner in both college and how he has developed in the NBA.


Kemba will be getting washed up when your paying the wrong age of 30s. Russell's max is a lot less crippling even if things go wrong.
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Post#1445 » by heir_jordan22 » Sat Jun 8, 2019 2:54 am

I can see Chris Paul getting traded to Boston for Gordon Hayward. They have too many SG/SF. Kyrie will leave. Rozier will get a big pay day from a bad team. And this would let Houston give the ball to Harden without another player barking for the ball.
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Post#1446 » by heir_jordan22 » Sat Jun 8, 2019 2:55 am

I can see Chris Paul getting traded to Boston for Gordon Hayward. They have too many SG/SF. Kyrie will leave. Rozier will get a big pay day from a bad team. And this would let Houston give the ball to Harden without another player barking for the ball.
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Post#1447 » by sco » Sat Jun 8, 2019 1:11 pm

Saw the news in the Coby White thread about him working out for Twolves. A trade I'd happily do is:

#7,#38, (& Dunn if they would take him back) for #11 and Saric. I might even be willing to take Dieng's salary too, if they take Felicio's (saving them around $10M per year).
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Post#1448 » by rtblues » Sun Jun 9, 2019 5:33 pm

Cheap vet PG to consider?
Cory Joseph anyone?
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Post#1449 » by sco » Sun Jun 9, 2019 6:14 pm

rtblues wrote:Cheap vet PG to consider?
Cory Joseph anyone?

He'd be a good add if we draft one and dump Dunn. Maybe MLE?
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Post#1450 » by MeloRoseNoah » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:08 am

rtblues wrote:Cheap vet PG to consider?
Cory Joseph anyone?


No thanks. Kris Dumb is cheaper and better.
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Post#1451 » by ThreeMileAllan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:00 pm

sco wrote:Saw the news in the Coby White thread about him working out for Twolves. A trade I'd happily do is:

#7,#38, (& Dunn if they would take him back) for #11 and Saric. I might even be willing to take Dieng's salary too, if they take Felicio's (saving them around $10M per year).
Interesting. We could just look to next years draft class for a pg. I could do without the Felicio Deng swap tho. Unless we were sure we couldnt do something better with that cap.

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Post#1452 » by Jiipee84 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:20 am

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2019/06/10/lauri-markkanen-would-be-the-impossible-dream-pf-for-the-phoenix-suns/?utm_source=connatix&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=connatix

Phoenix interested Lauri Markkanen but the problem in this is that Lauri isn't trade block.
But he won't be untouchable if price is right.

And only question which comes my mind is that why Suns wants Lauri right now?
Suns had chance to draft Lauri 4th overall in 2017 NBA draft but they took Josh Jackson.
PS What it would cost to the Suns if they really want Lauri?
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Post#1453 » by sco » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:41 am

Jiipee84 wrote:https://valleyofthesuns.com/2019/06/10/lauri-markkanen-would-be-the-impossible-dream-pf-for-the-phoenix-suns/?utm_source=connatix&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=connatix

Phoenix interested Lauri Markkanen but the problem in this is that Lauri isn't trade block.
But he won't be untouchable if price is right.

And only question which comes my mind is that why Suns wants Lauri right now?
Suns had chance to draft Lauri 4th overall in 2017 NBA draft but they took Josh Jackson.
PS What it would cost to the Suns if they really want Lauri?


Just a spec piece. Assuming they won't include Booker or Ayton, would folks take #6 and 2021 top 3 protected 1st?
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Post#1454 » by panthermark » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:17 am

sco wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:https://valleyofthesuns.com/2019/06/10/lauri-markkanen-would-be-the-impossible-dream-pf-for-the-phoenix-suns/?utm_source=connatix&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=connatix

Phoenix interested Lauri Markkanen but the problem in this is that Lauri isn't trade block.
But he won't be untouchable if price is right.

And only question which comes my mind is that why Suns wants Lauri right now?
Suns had chance to draft Lauri 4th overall in 2017 NBA draft but they took Josh Jackson.
PS What it would cost to the Suns if they really want Lauri?


Just a spec piece. Assuming they won't include Booker or Ayton, would folks take #6 and 2021 top 3 protected 1st?

Nope...
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Post#1455 » by MeloRoseNoah » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:10 am

Jiipee84 wrote:https://valleyofthesuns.com/2019/06/10/lauri-markkanen-would-be-the-impossible-dream-pf-for-the-phoenix-suns/?utm_source=connatix&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=connatix

Phoenix interested Lauri Markkanen but the problem in this is that Lauri isn't trade block.
But he won't be untouchable if price is right.

And only question which comes my mind is that why Suns wants Lauri right now?
Suns had chance to draft Lauri 4th overall in 2017 NBA draft but they took Josh Jackson.
PS What it would cost to the Suns if they really want Lauri?


The only way that I would trade Lauri to the Phoenix Suns would be their overall #6 pick, plus 6-10 unprotected first rounders every off year. Yes, Lauri is as close to a top prospect as you can get. If Lauri is in this draft, he would be neck to neck with Zion, with Zion slightly favored over him.
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Post#1456 » by Repeat 3-peat » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:12 am

Lauri is going nowhere. The Bulls still view him as the building block for this team.

I have zero interest in anything the Suns would offer.
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Post#1457 » by Jiipee84 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:02 am

GhostOfChicago wrote:Lauri is going nowhere. The Bulls still view him as the building block for this team.

I have zero interest in anything the Suns would offer.


Yes Bulls shouldn't trade Lauri just for make a trade happen.
I know that article isn't nothing more than fantasy speculation even Phoenix Suns front office knows that Lauri is Bulls best young player and there is a reasons why Lauri isn't trade block not now and probably not ever.

But is Lauri untouchable really maybe he's and maybe he isn't.
GarPax clearly is high on Lauri and they have said they won't listen any trade offer for Lauri.
But these-kind fantasy speculations tells that Lauri is interesting player around NBA but how many teams are ready to trade him that's another story.
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Post#1458 » by Jiipee84 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:21 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:https://valleyofthesuns.com/2019/06/10/lauri-markkanen-would-be-the-impossible-dream-pf-for-the-phoenix-suns/?utm_source=connatix&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=connatix

Phoenix interested Lauri Markkanen but the problem in this is that Lauri isn't trade block.
But he won't be untouchable if price is right.

And only question which comes my mind is that why Suns wants Lauri right now?
Suns had chance to draft Lauri 4th overall in 2017 NBA draft but they took Josh Jackson.
PS What it would cost to the Suns if they really want Lauri?


The only way that I would trade Lauri to the Phoenix Suns would be their overall #6 pick, plus 6-10 unprotected first rounders every off year. Yes, Lauri is as close to a top prospect as you can get. If Lauri is in this draft, he would be neck to neck with Zion, with Zion slightly favored over him.


That's true.
I saw Lauri playing first time in Helsinki Basket Academy high school team in Finland's 1st men's division before he left to Arizona.
And i was immediately impressed how talented Lauri was even my friend said '' that kid is going to be NBA star''.

Finland doesn't ever had basketball player like Lauri Markkanen he's generational talent for us ( Finns) and our men's national team.
NBA players like Lauri won't come often from Finland that's for sure.

We can't know how high Lauri would have gone if his was in this years NBA draft.
But maybe he would have been if not neck to neck with Zion but definitely somewhere TOP3 or TOP5 range.

Bulls shouldn't never trade Lauri for just make a trade happen and there's no way on that.
And if some team wants to trade for Lauri Bulls should ask very high price for Lauri.

Lauri is so crucial piece of Bulls rebuild so there is a clear reasons why GarPax has said they won't listen any trade offers for Lauri.
But is Lauri untouchable maybe he's maybe isn't but nobody can't say that for sure.
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Post#1459 » by Butler4thewin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:44 am

I wouldn't want to do this trade and I know I'll catch major heat here but IF and I know he wont

But if Anthony Davis were to be willing to resign here I think we outbid the Lakers

Lauri I feel is highly valued around the league and easily worth more then any player the Lakers could offer

Wcj another high potential player on a rookie deal and fits nicely with the Zion timetable and playstyle

Pick 7 this is just a throw in since Lakers will throw in there more valuable pick

I think this package lands ad since that's 2 players that would be amazing next to Zion and spread the floor and improve plus they get our pick to add to there core


We would be left with

Hole
Lavine
Porter
Davis
Lopez

If we then somehow land Beverly we will be contenders with Durant down and out for next season plus we would need lavine to take it up one more notch for us to be a legit contender to come out the east .....flame suit on
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