OT Bears 2019/20 season

Post #1441 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:15 am

Hard for me to put too much on Foles today. Yeah, there were a lot of bad sacks where I was just screaming for him to throw the ball away, but on the Bears overtime drive, they dropped consecutive passes that would have given them a first down had both been caught. They lost multiple drives due to penalities including Wims idiocy. He rallied them with a TD and FG drive in the closing minutes.

His end of day numbers look nearly identical to Brees outside of the one interception (41 passes for 272 + 2 TDs vs 41 for 280 + 2 TDs). He made a couple 4th down conversions and some other clutch throws. I'm not saying it was an amazing day for Foles, but I think people are only remembering the mistakes and not the successes.

dice · Post #1442 » by **dice** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:16 am

nomorezorro wrote:oh yeah no, i think switching back to mitch is a reasonable move. a statue behind this offensive line is just not working out, and it's not like foles isn't also prone to awful decisionmaking

i'm just saying...when it takes five starts for people to go "actually maybe mitch trubisky is our best option," you have a terrible qb situation

i thought heading into the season that they needed to gamble on mitch and not spend on a 2nd QB. let him scramble all he wants, play to his strengths, and just hope he improves in other areas and doesn't get injured. and if he DID get injured, oh well. not a long term investment worth bubble wrapping

Susan · Post #1443 » by **Susan** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:21 am

dice wrote:
Susan wrote:
dice wrote:you keep saying that "foles beat brady." THAT's junk. foles's TEAM beat brady's TEAM. it's one thing if foles played as well, but he didn't

so yes, you could argue that mack beat brady more than you could that foles beat brady. exactly my point

wouldn't even require a collapse, let alone an insane one. they're on track for 10-6, so it would probably only take a single upset to miss the playoffs

lol, who's winning next Monday? The Bears or the Rams?

On track for 10-6...they're 5-1 my friend and what NFC teams are catching them to keep them out of the playoffs?

i'm thinking ryan pace would pull the lever for 10-6 real quick at the moment

As would any GM.

As terrible as today was, they were in it. That dip (starting with the terrible playcalling to end the first half) was about as pathetic as I've seen the Bears play in a while. They had that game and just imploded. Good on them for coming back but ****, Nagy needs to look in the mirror and evolve.

That 3rd & 4 delay of game should have been a TO by the sideline, it was clear they were all over the place.
They were super predictable on defense for a good majority of the game.

Highlights - Montomgery, Ro Smith/Danny T, Anthony Miller, Mooney, ARob and Harris

This season is still salvageable but it's going to require some real growth and it starts with Matt Nagy. He's figured it out before IMO, I hope he can again.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1444 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:21 am

dougthonus wrote:Hard for me to put too much on Foles today. Yeah, there were a lot of bad sacks where I was just screaming for him to throw the ball away, but on the Bears overtime drive, they dropped consecutive passes that would have given them a first down had both been caught. They lost multiple drives due to penalities including Wims idiocy. He rallied them with a TD and FG drive in the closing minutes.

His end of day numbers look nearly identical to Brees outside of the one interception (41 passes for 272 + 2 TDs vs 41 for 280 + 2 TDs). He made a couple 4th down conversions and some other clutch throws. I'm not saying it was an amazing day for Foles, but I think people are only remembering the mistakes and not the successes.

Yeah, in Foles defense, there were some bad bad drops and missed catches at crucial times on good throws. Graham was hit in the numbers on that one that would have been a 1st down or at least close. Miller dropped a first down catch that would have kept things going also.

Leslie Forman · Post #1445 » by **Leslie Forman** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:36 am

Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid and can't make a good throw in anything less than perfect conditions. He's like a poor man's Joe Flacco.

It's time to draft a new quarterback, like literally every single year of this franchise's existence.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #1446 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:51 am

Aikman needs to call every Bears game. His utter disgust with Foles, Nagy, and the Bears having a good record when they shouldn’t channels my inner anger in a way no other announcer comes close to.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1447 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:54 am

Its not just the QB's. Its not just the line. Its a combination of those with Nagy's coaching. Its all of the above. And who does all that fall on? Pace.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #1448 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:02 am

Nagy has rode the "relatable guy" train since he was hired. And it was a breath of fresh air coming from the incomprehensible John Fox era. But that charm has long worn off. He's probably an above average OC when he can be left alone to focus on just that. But as a HC he looks like a man who's about to break.

dice · Post #1449 » by **dice** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:06 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid

at least give him andy ried

Post #1450 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:32 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid and can't make a good throw in anything less than perfect conditions. He's like a poor man's Joe Flacco.

It's time to draft a new quarterback, like literally every single year of this franchise's existence.

I agree with this in general, just think he was solid today for the most part, atheist relative to normal.

Chi town · Post #1451 » by **Chi town** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:27 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid and can't make a good throw in anything less than perfect conditions. He's like a poor man's Joe Flacco.

It's time to draft a new quarterback, like literally every single year of this franchise's existence.

This. He missed some throws that would have been TDs too had he not underthrown the WR.

I go back to Mitch and let him run for his life and make plays. IMO it’s a better recipe for winning then Foles behind this line that has nothing left.

If we had Goldman our D would stop the run and be dominant and we could keep winning with this awful offense.

Daniels and Cohen missing the season were big losses.

Mooney is going to be a star if we can ever get a QB that can throw him the ball.

Nagy’s two big misses were calling the TO at end of half for NO. He gambled on his tired D and it turned into a TD and totally changed the momentum.

Secondly, his run play calls at the goal line were awful and wasted another 1:30 off the clock.

Chi town · Post #1452 » by **Chi town** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:27 am

Susan wrote:This has been Monty's best game as a Bear.

With a Swiss cheese line.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1453 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:28 am

Leslie Forman wrote:Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid and can't make a good throw in anything less than perfect conditions. He's like a poor man's Joe Flacco.

It's time to draft a new quarterback, like literally every single year of this franchise's existence.

I'm not saying he wasn't terrible. I'm just saying that his receivers didn't exactly help him out today. Sometimes a game comes down to one or two plays and if a couple passes that were drops were catches, the game goes the other way.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1454 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:32 am

Chi town wrote:
Susan wrote:This has been Monty's best game as a Bear.

With a Swiss cheese line.

I was actually very impressed with him today. I may have judged him too harshly and would like to see him run behind a line that is just average. I saw a stat that he leads the NFL in broken tackles. He rarely gets taken down by the first contact...it's just our line is so bad that he hardly has a chance to get out of the backfield.

johnnyvann840 · Post #1455 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:33 am

If E Jackson makes that pick in OT, the Bears win the game. That was a very catchable ball too.

Jeffster81 · Post #1456 » by **Jeffster81** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:35 am

Bears are done and they should lose out but most likely, when they reach loss 7 or 8 on the season, they'll probably win out to finish the year at 7-9 or 8-8, and fall short of the playoffs. Which means Nagy/Pace gets one more year and the Bears are likely to try and bandaid the most important position on the field AGAIN, just so 2021 will be another wasted year in the Bears competitive window.

the ultimates · Post #1457 » by **the ultimates** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:48 am

If people are going to say that if the drops were caught it's a different game then you can say if Foles would have made more accurate when not under pressure it would have been a different game. He's had three straight games with awful picks and would have had a second one today overthrowing an open Robinson. He hasn't shown better command of the offense or accuracy over the guy he replaced.

Post #1458 » by **Payt10** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:49 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:If E Jackson makes that pick in OT, the Bears win the game. That was a very catchable ball too.

The Bears have missed so many attempts at interceptions in the last two games. Goff should have thrown 2 or 3 in the first half last week, and Brees nearly could have had a few today as well.

What separated the 2018 defense from the 2019 defense was turnovers. The same thing is happening again this year except they're also way worse without Eddie Goldman against the run, which is pulling them closer into the direction of being more of a mediocre defense rather than an elite one.

TheStig · Post #1459 » by **TheStig** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 5:39 am

dougthonus wrote:Hard for me to put too much on Foles today. Yeah, there were a lot of bad sacks where I was just screaming for him to throw the ball away, but on the Bears overtime drive, they dropped consecutive passes that would have given them a first down had both been caught. They lost multiple drives due to penalities including Wims idiocy. He rallied them with a TD and FG drive in the closing minutes.

His end of day numbers look nearly identical to Brees outside of the one interception (41 passes for 272 + 2 TDs vs 41 for 280 + 2 TDs). He made a couple 4th down conversions and some other clutch throws. I'm not saying it was an amazing day for Foles, but I think people are only remembering the mistakes and not the successes.

If this team had a good o line, I think they'd be so much better on offense.

Leslie Forman · Post #1460 » by **Leslie Forman** » Mon Nov 2, 2020 12:39 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:Nah Foles is absolutely awful. He has the mobility of Andy Reid and can't make a good throw in anything less than perfect conditions. He's like a poor man's Joe Flacco.

It's time to draft a new quarterback, like literally every single year of this franchise's existence.

I'm not saying he wasn't terrible. I'm just saying that his receivers didn't exactly help him out today. Sometimes a game comes down to one or two plays and if a couple passes that were drops were catches, the game goes the other way.

If he could actually throw just a little more accurately and move even just a little bit better, the game doesn't even go to OT. His mere existence is basically a mistake on the field.

You'd think a guy with such poor mobility still hanging in this league would at least be good at passing, yet he stinks at that too. Mitch has just made the bar so freaking low that we're pleasantly surprised with just a "bad" passer.