Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

[Dan Z]

I'd be down for getting involved in a 3-way trade with Zach going to Sac (Castle probably to SA also), Fox to SA and matching salaries (Johnson, Huerter, Collins) back to the Bulls with the Bulls getting their pick back and additional draft assets.

Depending on the additional assets, this looks very good for all teams involved. We have to waive and pay some players to do a 1 for 3 trade. KJ fits our timeline, and Collins guarantees the tank in a subsequent Vuc trade. Huerter in Zach's spot pushes us even further down.

Trading Vuc and Lavine both in-season means we probably have to waive 3-5 guys. Not sure if trading both is even realistic, unless the Bulls just decide to eat all those contracts.

Actually, if you take in all those players (Johnson, Huerter and Collins) the Bulls would be taking more money in and can trade out more pieces.

Here's a quick trade I threw together:

Bulls get: Huerter, Johnson, Collins and 2 FRPs (one of those being their own FRP back)

Spurs get: Fox, Duarte and Craig

Kings get Zach and Castle

That works out perfect financially and no teams need to release anyone beforehand.

I think the problem with that trade is that the Spur value Castle and won't trade him (which is understandable). The Kings would probably want a pick out of the deal too.

It's an interesting idea. Bill Simmons recently (on his podcast) suggested that the Spurs make a trade to get better now as long at it doesn't cost a lot to do. I tend to agree, but the problem is what deal? Fox obviously will require a lot of assets to get.

[Infinity2152]

I'd be down for getting involved in a 3-way trade with Zach going to Sac (Castle probably to SA also), Fox to SA and matching salaries (Johnson, Huerter, Collins) back to the Bulls with the Bulls getting their pick back and additional draft assets.

Depending on the additional assets, this looks very good for all teams involved. We have to waive and pay some players to do a 1 for 3 trade. KJ fits our timeline, and Collins guarantees the tank in a subsequent Vuc trade. Huerter in Zach's spot pushes us even further down.

Trading Vuc and Lavine both in-season means we probably have to waive 3-5 guys. Not sure if trading both is even realistic, unless the Bulls just decide to eat all those contracts.

Actually, if you take in all those players (Johnson, Huerter and Collins) the Bulls would be taking more money in and can trade out more pieces.

Here's a quick trade I threw together:

Bulls get: Huerter, Johnson, Collins and 2 FRPs (one of those being their own FRP back)

Spurs get: Fox, Duarte and Craig

Kings get Zach and Castle

That works out perfect financially and no teams need to release anyone beforehand.

Looks good. Craig and Duarte might actually get some minutes over there. That's a GREAT return for the Kings, given they have like 10 days to trade Fox or lose him for nothing. Would imagine draft compensation comes from them as well, Castles worth a pick alone.

[Dan Z]

The Sixers won today (Maxey had 43 points).

They're now 18-27. Two games away from the Bulls.

[Muzbar]

I think the problem with that trade is that the Spur value Castle and won't trade him (which is understandable). The Kings would probably want a pick out of the deal too.

It's an interesting idea. Bill Simmons recently (on his podcast) suggested that the Spurs make a trade to get better now as long at it doesn't cost a lot to do. I tend to agree, but the problem is what deal? Fox obviously will require a lot of assets to get.

The Spurs are probably going to have to give up Castle if they want to pair Fox with Wemby, he'll be a key piece that the Kings would want back I'd imagine. Personally, if I were the Spurs I'd just leave their core as is and build around Wemby and Castle.

Looks good. Craig and Duarte might actually get some minutes over there. That's a GREAT return for the Kings, given they have like 10 days to trade Fox or lose him for nothing. Would imagine draft compensation comes from them as well, Castles worth a pick alone.

Like I said, it was just a quick throw together to make it work financially. The rest of the details can be ironed out later.

I don't think the Kings would have to include a pick, they're trading the best player in the deal plus they're taking on Zachs deal, I don't think they need to send anything else back.

Sorry, I know this probably belongs in the trade thread but Fox was being discussed here so I shared an example.

[Infinity2152]

I think the problem with that trade is that the Spur value Castle and won't trade him (which is understandable). The Kings would probably want a pick out of the deal too.

It's an interesting idea. Bill Simmons recently (on his podcast) suggested that the Spurs make a trade to get better now as long at it doesn't cost a lot to do. I tend to agree, but the problem is what deal? Fox obviously will require a lot of assets to get.

The Spurs are probably going to have to give up Castle if they want to pair Fox with Wemby, he'll be a key piece that the Kings would want back I'd imagine. Personally, if I were the Spurs I'd just leave their core as is and build around Wemby and Castle.

Looks good. Craig and Duarte might actually get some minutes over there. That's a GREAT return for the Kings, given they have like 10 days to trade Fox or lose him for nothing. Would imagine draft compensation comes from them as well, Castles worth a pick alone.

Like I said, it was just a quick throw together to make it work financially. The rest of the details can be ironed out later.

I don't think the Kings would have to include a pick, they're trading the best player in the deal plus they're taking on Zachs deal, I don't think they need to send anything else back.

Sorry, I know this probably belongs in the trade thread but Fox was being discussed here so I shared an example.

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

[Dan Z]

I think the problem with that trade is that the Spur value Castle and won't trade him (which is understandable). The Kings would probably want a pick out of the deal too.

It's an interesting idea. Bill Simmons recently (on his podcast) suggested that the Spurs make a trade to get better now as long at it doesn't cost a lot to do. I tend to agree, but the problem is what deal? Fox obviously will require a lot of assets to get.

The Spurs are probably going to have to give up Castle if they want to pair Fox with Wemby, he'll be a key piece that the Kings would want back I'd imagine. Personally, if I were the Spurs I'd just leave their core as is and build around Wemby and Castle.

Looks good. Craig and Duarte might actually get some minutes over there. That's a GREAT return for the Kings, given they have like 10 days to trade Fox or lose him for nothing. Would imagine draft compensation comes from them as well, Castles worth a pick alone.

Like I said, it was just a quick throw together to make it work financially. The rest of the details can be ironed out later.

I don't think the Kings would have to include a pick, they're trading the best player in the deal plus they're taking on Zachs deal, I don't think they need to send anything else back.

Sorry, I know this probably belongs in the trade thread but Fox was being discussed here so I shared an example.

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

Fox has one more year on his contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23600/deaaron-fox

[Infinity2152]

The Spurs are probably going to have to give up Castle if they want to pair Fox with Wemby, he'll be a key piece that the Kings would want back I'd imagine. Personally, if I were the Spurs I'd just leave their core as is and build around Wemby and Castle.


Like I said, it was just a quick throw together to make it work financially. The rest of the details can be ironed out later.

I don't think the Kings would have to include a pick, they're trading the best player in the deal plus they're taking on Zachs deal, I don't think they need to send anything else back.

Sorry, I know this probably belongs in the trade thread but Fox was being discussed here so I shared an example.

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

Fox has one more year on his contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23600/deaaron-fox

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Kings have more leverage than I thought. Given that, it's kind of odd that they're rushing to trade him now in a much tighter market than this summer.

[Muzbar]

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

Fox has one more year on his contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23600/deaaron-fox

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Kings have more leverage than I thought. Given that, it's kind of odd that they're rushing to trade him now in a much tighter market than this summer.

I was wondering why you thought they were going to lose him so soon. Simple mistake.

Fox is a clutch agent, I don't think it's necessarily the Kings that are in a rush to trade him. But they'll listen to offers, there's no guarantee he gets traded this deadline.

There were rumours that this deadline was going to be a quiet one, there's certainly a lot of smoke out there though.

[Chi town]

Blazers and Sixers win!

Inching closer to that 7th pick.

[step]

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

Fox has one more year on his contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23600/deaaron-fox

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Kings have more leverage than I thought. Given that, it's kind of odd that they're rushing to trade him now in a much tighter market than this summer.

Fox's value lessons in that last year, teams won't give up as much for a rental.

[Red8911]

Poor Demar thought he was walking into a better situation in Sacramento but ended up being similar to the bulls with even more drama.

[drosestruts]

Screw it - go for Fox

What would you offer for him? Would he want to come here?

We're not the best of trade partners, but, just give them all the young DeMar proteges and some picks

Coby, Ayo, Williams, PDX 1st, CHI 2028 1st (top 6 protected) for Fox, McLaughlin, and McDermott

They're likely to fetch a better offer, but it's what I would try.

Start: Fox/Ball/LaVine/Giddey/Vucevic

[2weekswithpay]

Read on Twitter

The Hawks have lost 6 in a row as injuries pile up. Only 2 games ahead of the Bulls currently. If the Bulls aren't seller at the deadline then there's a good chance we make the play-in.

[WesPeace]

Screw it - go for Fox

What would you offer for him? Would he want to come here?

We're not the best of trade partners, but, just give them all the young DeMar proteges and some picks

Coby, Ayo, Williams, PDX 1st, CHI 2028 1st (top 6 protected) for Fox, McLaughlin, and McDermott

They're likely to fetch a better offer, but it's what I would try.

Start: Fox/Ball/LaVine/Giddey/Vucevic

Kinda weird lineup with 4 guards..but it is in Billy D style I just cant see Bulls as a team Fox would want to go, at all.. also our bench would be even worse than before.

[drosestruts]

What would you offer for him? Would he want to come here?

We're not the best of trade partners, but, just give them all the young DeMar proteges and some picks

Coby, Ayo, Williams, PDX 1st, CHI 2028 1st (top 6 protected) for Fox, McLaughlin, and McDermott

They're likely to fetch a better offer, but it's what I would try.

Start: Fox/Ball/LaVine/Giddey/Vucevic

Kinda weird lineup with 4 guards..but it is in Billy D style I just cant see Bulls as a team Fox would want to go, at all.. also our bench would be even worse than before.

Part of our bench not being great is due to our rotations. I imagine Carter and Caraig, two veteran players, would help our bench tremendously if they were given more opportunity.

Agreed trading for Fox comes with the risk of him not wanting to be here beyond his current contract. At that point, in me eyes, can also sign and trade him to gain some assets back.

[drosestruts]

how about those Magic. 4-10 in January and have crashed back down to .500

6tth seed really was there for the taking if we didn't decide to be equally as bad and go 5-9 in January with losses to Washington, New Orleans, Atlanta, Portland, Golden State, Philly

[DuckIII]

I think the problem with that trade is that the Spur value Castle and won't trade him (which is understandable). The Kings would probably want a pick out of the deal too.

It's an interesting idea. Bill Simmons recently (on his podcast) suggested that the Spurs make a trade to get better now as long at it doesn't cost a lot to do. I tend to agree, but the problem is what deal? Fox obviously will require a lot of assets to get.

The Spurs are probably going to have to give up Castle if they want to pair Fox with Wemby, he'll be a key piece that the Kings would want back I'd imagine. Personally, if I were the Spurs I'd just leave their core as is and build around Wemby and Castle.

Looks good. Craig and Duarte might actually get some minutes over there. That's a GREAT return for the Kings, given they have like 10 days to trade Fox or lose him for nothing. Would imagine draft compensation comes from them as well, Castles worth a pick alone.

Like I said, it was just a quick throw together to make it work financially. The rest of the details can be ironed out later.

I don't think the Kings would have to include a pick, they're trading the best player in the deal plus they're taking on Zachs deal, I don't think they need to send anything else back.

Sorry, I know this probably belongs in the trade thread but Fox was being discussed here so I shared an example.

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

I agree with all this regarding the Spurs position. It is one of absolute strength from every angle. I’m sure they’d love Fox. Now. But they don’t have to panic and throw everything at Sacto. For example, I bet dollars to donuts if they trade for Fox it won’t cost them Castle.

San Antonio is going to have so many options it’s ridiculous and they have the greatest safety net of all time while doing things deliberately. I’d LOVE to see Fox there. But the Spurs don’t have to do this unless it’s on favored terms relative to what we’ve been conditioned to believe players like Fox might be worth. This will be the opposite of the Knicks/Bridges dynamic.

[DuckIII]

Kings are giving up the best player, but they're in the worst situation. Spurs and Bulls really don't need to do anything now. We've seen with Lavine, Ingram and others it's hard to do a big money trade this year, and the clock is ticking. Fox is a free agent this summer, Spurs could send no assets, clear some cap, and just sign him.

Fox has one more year on his contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/23600/deaaron-fox

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Kings have more leverage than I thought. Given that, it's kind of odd that they're rushing to trade him now in a much tighter market than this summer.

They still don’t have leverage. He has made it clear he will not sign with them and it’s only a year away.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Wemby is amazing but I don't believe it's time for the Spurs to start cashing in assets. They should stay patient in terms of team building with their picks and wait for a bigger name.

[Dan Z]

The Sixers won today. They're only one game behind the Bulls.