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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1461 » by LGhost » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:58 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/02/12/derrick-rose-injury-acl-return-chicago-fatherhood/1913639/

There's a video there and at the end it has the whole 110 % comment. When you see it, you'll going to laugh at how this is all overblown. He says it could be a couple of weeks, when he says next yr, it doesn't even finish it and says any day. watch the video, you'll see what I'm saying


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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1462 » by cool007 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:09 pm

He is coming back on Feb. 28th vs Philly at home on a Nationally televised game (TNT) and the same team that he got injured against in the playoffs.

Great story line. They already are planning on that return.

Just look at my sig. Look at his T-shirt. He wants to not only come back but wants to be ready right away and lead the team possibly win it all. He is determined. Thus his T-Shirt "Unfinished Business - 2012-13"

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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1463 » by dmk08 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:24 pm

Wow after watching the video these reports are laughable.
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Post#1464 » by Indomitable » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:31 pm

dmk08 wrote:Wow after watching the video these reports are laughable.

ESPN people
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1465 » by LGhost » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:38 pm

Indomitable wrote:
dmk08 wrote:Wow after watching the video these reports are laughable.

ESPN people


Sports Illustrated (or their affiliate) reported the whole thing came from D. Rose's facebook page... lol

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Post#1466 » by #1TKfan » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:43 pm

cool007 wrote:He is coming back on Feb. 28th vs Philly at home on a Nationally televised game (TNT) and the same team that he got injured against in the playoffs.

Great story line. They already are planning on that return.

Just look at my sig. Look at his T-shirt. He wants to not only come back but wants to be ready right away and lead the team possibly win it all. He is determined. Thus his T-Shirt "Unfinished Business - 2012-13"

#TheReturn.

Just a hunch.


That would be a nice set up. Hope youre right.
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Post#1467 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:44 pm

This dude is lying, he'll be back in March. Sounds like he is just deflecting pressure in coming back.
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1468 » by BigUps » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:56 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/02/12/derrick-rose-injury-acl-return-chicago-fatherhood/1913639/

There's a video there and at the end it has the whole 110 % comment. When you see it, you'll going to laugh at how this is all overblown. He says it could be a couple of weeks, when he says next yr, it doesn't even finish it and says any day. watch the video, you'll see what I'm saying


A picture speaks a thousand words. Rose is echoing the same statements that Thibs and the entire Bulls organization have been saying all along.

The Thibs version of the story: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... cl-surgery
“If he’s ready,” the coach replied. “To me, it’s why we have taken the approach we have. There’s no timetable. It’s when he’s ready. We’re not measuring it against someone else’s timetable. This is Derrick. When he’s ready, he will go.”


Gar's version: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bulls/2013/01 ... _rose.html
"There is no end game in sight,'' Forman responded, when asked about the All-Star Game as being the date frequently thrown out there for a Rose return. "The next step was to get him on the floor where he's participating in practice and contact activities. So we're not skipping steps. Once we feel comfortable with that and our doctors feel comfortable, then we'll go to the next step. It's not about us being evasive with our answers.

"Everything has been planned out, in detail. That's why we're taking this step-by-step and not skipping steps. There's a process in place and we've never wanted to jump ahead.''


Pax's version: http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... t-practice
"We don't have the defined plan yet because Derrick is still progressing," Paxson said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "The way he feels and what his body tells him is going to dictate how we do things. But I can tell you one thing -- and this is for certain -- he's going to have to have a high volume of practices and contact, and where he's comfortable on the floor doing things that he used to do naturally. And that takes some time and he's just starting that process now.

"We can't sit here today and say he's going to be back in three weeks or after the All-Star break. Those things are a hope, but his body is going to tell us and then when we get to that point, that's when we're going to have to sit down and determine, after we talk to our doctors and everything, then determine our game plan of minutes and how best to bring him back. We don't want to bring him back and then have a setback because he wasn't totally ready. We want this to be a progression where he comes back, he starts to play and every week he gets better and feels better."


Reinsdorfs version (same link as above):
"There's no date," Reinsdorf said during an interview with WGN-TV on Monday. "The doctors say that he's doing everything that he's supposed to be doing and there's no specific date.

"He's not going to come back until the doctors say unequivocally that he has no greater chance of getting hurt than any other player. If there's any risk, he's not coming back."


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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1469 » by babblin-on » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:05 pm

coldfish wrote:Recently, someone was calling Hinrich for being injury prone. Duck rightly pointed out that so far, Derrick Rose is orders of magnitude more injury prone.



Here's the post you're referring to:

Ben wrote:I think that Derrick has missed 22% of his total possible regular-season games over his career.
By comparison, Hinrich has missed 12.4% of the possible games over his career (unless my count is wrong).


I think you could also say Rose's injury history can be explained away as one snakebit year and that the things such as tendonitis which he never missed games with are normal things NBA players must deal with. Also, using total percentage of career games missed is incredibly misleading because Hinrich has had more than double the possible games played in his career. If Rose had never missed a game in his career prior to tearing his ACL in the 1st game of the playoffs, and then he missed every game up to this point in the current season, his percentage of career games missed would be 14%, which would still be higher than Hinrich's percentage of games missed. If you used that criteria to judge Michael Jordan's inury proneness vs Kirk Hinrich at the same point in his career as Derrick Rose(363 possible games played), he'd come out to missing 17% of his possible games played. Would that be in any way an accurate reflection of the frequency with which those 3 players have missed games to injury(which is what people usually refer to when using the phrase injury prone)?

Outside of that, LOL. Orders of magnitude? I really think you might hate Derrick Rose because you try to exaggerate or omit things in order to judge him more harshly. It is mathematically impossible for Rose to be even one order of magnitude more injury prone, much less orders of magnitude more, because that would mean he'd have missed more than 100% of his possible career games.

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Number language generally confuses people. Many seem to suppose that a 100% increase must be pretty much the same as an increase by an order of magnitude, but in fact such an increase represents merely a doubling of quantity. A “hundredfold increase” is even bigger: one hundred times as much. If you don’t have a firm grasp on such concepts, it’s best to avoid the expression altogether. After all, “Our audience is ten times as big now as when the show opened” makes the same point more clearly than “Our audience has increased by an order of magnitude.”
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1470 » by blumeany » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:42 pm

Rose via his Facebook account:

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It can be within a couple of weeks. It could be next year. It could be any day. It could be any time. It's just that I'm not coming back until I'm ready. With all the hard work I've been putting into my craft, I think I'm going to be OK. I'm not coming back until I'm 110%.....Right now, I'm probably in the high 80s


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Post#1471 » by RyGuy24 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:53 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/02/12/derrick-rose-injury-acl-return-chicago-fatherhood/1913639/

There's a video there and at the end it has the whole 110 % comment. When you see it, you'll going to laugh at how this is all overblown. He says it could be a couple of weeks, when he says next yr, it doesn't even finish it and says any day. watch the video, you'll see what I'm saying

Will he able to be the same explosive player he was pre-injury? "For sure. I could do that right now," Rose said. "But I'm just being patient. You don't want to rush anything."
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Post#1472 » by DRose4MVP » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:57 pm

I got 2 texts yesterday from my buddies that are Bulls fans... Both linked the ESPN article and said something along the lines of "He might as well retire" and "He's done for the year. So are we". So I read the article, and come away with thinking nothing different than what I did before I read the article. I can't believe here in 2013 people are still fooled by the media trying to make a story out of nothing. Its what keeps them in business!
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1473 » by chifan1798 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:02 pm

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PMONSTER wrote:Rose wants to be 110% and people he's done for the year.


It's mid February and Rose said that he's "far far away" from being ready to return. Nothing unreasonable about thinking he might be done. Unless you are arguing that it's unreasonable to take Rose at face value.

Everyone has their own interpretations......it just seems like everyone is viewing things as negative and ignoring what else he has said. No one knows for sure what "far far away" for him means.....could be a few weeks. When you think of someone being high 80's in terms of readiness, that doesn't seem far far away. Then adding that Rose said that it's possible that he could be back in days or weeks, but everyone sees next year and jumps into panic mode. For someone who is around 86-89% ready, doesn't seem like it should be too long. I'm actually a little surprised that he is that far, because I thought that when he returned, he'd only be around 75%, and then work his way up from that.

In a few weeks, we may all be looking at this panic mode and laugh about it.
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Post#1474 » by Ralphb07 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:04 pm

dmk08 wrote:Wow after watching the video these reports are laughable.


Isn't it. I didn't buy much into it when I read it, but after seeing the video I just started to laugh. He gave a political answer IMO.
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1475 » by chifan1798 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:11 pm

NeilNStacey wrote:That article by Bernstein tells nothing more than he talks about every day on his show. He is set on saying we have NO CHANCE against the Heat this year. Heat are **** good no question. Better than we are yes. But there was also no one that thought the Heat would get beat by the Mavs in 2010 after the Heat smashed us in the ECF. Our team is better this year if Derrick can get back with 25 or so games left. Who knows what could happen. Not saying we could beat the Heat, but I am saying a series against them would be worth playing whether Bernstein wants to admit it or not. Bernstein doesn't watch the games, and when he does he just does it to critique. There wasn't one good point in his whole damn article. Everything he said was typical crap he would say. I actually like Bernstein he is hilarious but when it comes to current Bulls basketball and current NBA basketball, he doesn't have a clue. It is one thing to think we will lose to the Heat. It is another to forget that the games are PLAYED FOR A REASON.

There was nothing better than going into that series with the Heat back in 2010 feeling like we could win. That is what sports are all about. It was a tough finish but it was a huge moment for every player/coach on our team. Derrick WILL come back this year and we WILL see the Heat in the playoffs. We WILL scare the living **** out of them and if they don't play their best basketball WE WILL beat them. Bernstein can kiss my ass haha.

I do agree that the games are played for a reason. We don't know what could happen in the post season. Any injury could happen. It's not likely to be Lebron, but could be Wade or Bosh who have both missed playoff games in their careers because of injury. I know if Rose sat out, and then something happened to one or two of the big 3, then people would be seething mad, because it could have been a prime opportunity. Not that I want to wish injury on anyone, but you never know what happens. Heck, look at Boston last year......they were a quarter away from the finals. Why? Because D Rose got injured in the first round, so they were able to survive to make it to the ECF, and then on top of that, Bosh missed most of their series with the Heat. If Bosh never came back, who knows what could have been. But as you say, there's a reason you play the games.

Constantly saying sit Rose because you have no chance against the heat is silly. I think the bulls do have a chance, albeit, not a very high one, but a chance nonetheless. It's different if you've got a team like the Bucks, and you have no chance to do anything......but this team with a healthy Rose has probably the best chance of any team in the east of knocking out the heat. That being said, Rose should do what's best for him. If he feels that he should stay out for the season, then so be it......it's his life and career.
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1477 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:16 pm

BigUps wrote:A picture speaks a thousand words. Rose is echoing the same statements that Thibs and the entire Bulls organization have been saying all along.

The Thibs version of the story: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... cl-surgery
“If he’s ready,” the coach replied. “To me, it’s why we have taken the approach we have. There’s no timetable. It’s when he’s ready. We’re not measuring it against someone else’s timetable. This is Derrick. When he’s ready, he will go.”


Gar's version: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bulls/2013/01 ... _rose.html
"There is no end game in sight,'' Forman responded, when asked about the All-Star Game as being the date frequently thrown out there for a Rose return. "The next step was to get him on the floor where he's participating in practice and contact activities. So we're not skipping steps. Once we feel comfortable with that and our doctors feel comfortable, then we'll go to the next step. It's not about us being evasive with our answers.

"Everything has been planned out, in detail. That's why we're taking this step-by-step and not skipping steps. There's a process in place and we've never wanted to jump ahead.''


Pax's version: http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/ ... t-practice
"We don't have the defined plan yet because Derrick is still progressing," Paxson said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "The way he feels and what his body tells him is going to dictate how we do things. But I can tell you one thing -- and this is for certain -- he's going to have to have a high volume of practices and contact, and where he's comfortable on the floor doing things that he used to do naturally. And that takes some time and he's just starting that process now.

"We can't sit here today and say he's going to be back in three weeks or after the All-Star break. Those things are a hope, but his body is going to tell us and then when we get to that point, that's when we're going to have to sit down and determine, after we talk to our doctors and everything, then determine our game plan of minutes and how best to bring him back. We don't want to bring him back and then have a setback because he wasn't totally ready. We want this to be a progression where he comes back, he starts to play and every week he gets better and feels better."


Reinsdorfs version (same link as above):
"There's no date," Reinsdorf said during an interview with WGN-TV on Monday. "The doctors say that he's doing everything that he's supposed to be doing and there's no specific date.

"He's not going to come back until the doctors say unequivocally that he has no greater chance of getting hurt than any other player. If there's any risk, he's not coming back."


Everyone's on the same page. Well, except for the fans who want a date.

Exactly :lol: .
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Re: Official Derrick Rose Injury Progress Update Thread 

Post#1478 » by DRoseChiCity420 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:22 pm

Bulls Adiais are alll loving this right now cause there making it a surprise cause it good for business imagine what the hype will be if that happens and the bulls just announce him in the starting line up.....chi town would go crazy
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Post#1479 » by nitric0 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:25 pm

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Post#1480 » by Rerisen » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:26 pm

jc23 wrote:David Haugh (chicago media) seems to believe Adidas is controlling much of the decision process on Derricks return date. I cant say i believe it but its the first time i have heard this.


Darren Rovell, ESPN's busniess analyst said there is nothing in it for Adidas shoe sales wise for Derrick to come back at this point this season. That the All-Star break is the critical time for a guy to be marketed for selling wise, and Derrick is already missing that.

Adidas is all in with Rose, they can't afford to lose him as their top pitch guy. According to him, the MJ Brand - apart from Nike even - is itself bigger than the whole of Adidas.

Also was mentioned on the radio the other day, I believe by Friedell or Stacey, Bucher's source is likely to be BJ Armstrong, not Reggie Rose.

The USA today interview was setup by the reporter reaching out to BJ and even above him, Arn Tellum, way at the beginning of the season, and has taken this long to get set up.

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