Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[johnnyvann840]

I'm convinced now that Wendell Carter Jr should just start the season.

There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't. Not for the sake of Robin Lopez.Robin can come off the bench and be just as effective a player and or teacher.

Lopez will start. It's symbolic. Wendell will close.

I fully expect a lot of playing time for Lopez and featured sets for him as we look to trade him before the trade deadline.

After that, it'll be all Carter.

I understand this logic, just don't agree with it.

No need for that foolishness from Fred or the FO. Lopez has been in this league for 10 years. If teams don't know what he is by now, they aren't trading for him. No need to "showcase" a vet like that. Any team looking for help that Robin can give aren't going to care if he starts or not and they understand the Bulls just tanked away a season and spent that lottery pick on Wendell. They expect the Bulls to use him from the start.

[musiqsoulchild]

Lopez , Asik, Felicio are very important contractual pieces to utilize this season in preparation for the next.

For example, I'd love to be the team that facilitates a 3 team deal where :

Team 1 gets the overpaid talent
Team 2 gets cap space and LT savings
Team 3 ( Bulls ) get rid of Felicio and Asik's future salary of 2019 --- 11 Million dollars cap hit.

[Ctownbulls]

I thought it was a given. If this team, who is in a rebuild and tanked last season away doesn't start the player they tanked for, what the hell are they thinking? No reason at all Lopez should be starting or playing more minutes than WCJ. None. No veteran entitlement starts or minutes.

The same reason why Jerian Grant and Holliday started to begin the year last year.

Ah, I see. We're looking for another 3-20 start to the season.

That really isnt the point.

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[bullsareback]

FIXED! Did this in a rush. Mispelled Blockanda as Blaukanda.
Now it's right!

[Betta Bulleavit]

I'm convinced now that Wendell Carter Jr should just start the season.

There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't. Not for the sake of Robin Lopez.Robin can come off the bench and be just as effective a player and or teacher.

Lopez will start. It's symbolic. Wendell will close.

I fully expect a lot of playing time for Lopez and featured sets for him as we look to trade him before the trade deadline.

After that, it'll be all Carter.

I understand this logic, just don't agree with it.

No need for that foolishness from Fred or the FO. Lopez has been in this league for 10 years. If teams don't know what he is by now, they aren't trading for him. No need to "showcase" a vet like that. Any team looking for help that Robin can give aren't going to care if he starts or not and they understand the Bulls just tanked away a season and spent that lottery pick on Wendell. They expect the Bulls to use him from the start.

Well, if the objective is to trade him for any type of value, then you almost have to give Lopez at least 15-20 minutes a game just to reaffirm that he is still a ready and serviceable part. Much in the same way older, good running vehicles need road time to stay loose so to speak. If I'm in the market for a used vehicle, I'd trust the one that I've seen in action on the road as opposed to the one that's been sitting in the garage collecting dust that the seller "tells" me still runs great.

[johnnyvann840]

Lopez will start. It's symbolic. Wendell will close.

I fully expect a lot of playing time for Lopez and featured sets for him as we look to trade him before the trade deadline.

After that, it'll be all Carter.

I understand this logic, just don't agree with it.

No need for that foolishness from Fred or the FO. Lopez has been in this league for 10 years. If teams don't know what he is by now, they aren't trading for him. No need to "showcase" a vet like that. Any team looking for help that Robin can give aren't going to care if he starts or not and they understand the Bulls just tanked away a season and spent that lottery pick on Wendell. They expect the Bulls to use him from the start.

Well, if the objective is to trade him for any type of value, then you almost have to give Lopez at least 15-20 minutes a game just to reaffirm that he is still a ready and serviceable part. Much in the same way older, good running vehicles need road time to stay loose so to speak. If I'm in the market for a used vehicle, I'd trust the one that I've seen in action on the road as opposed to the one that's been sitting in the garage collecting dust that the seller "tells" me still runs great.

For sure. 15-20 minutes off the bench sounds perfect... leaning more towards 15ish. Especially if we are "going to run featured sets for him". Let him slay other teams 2nd units and bench players. I just don't think he needs to start or play more than that.

[johnnyvann840]

The same reason why Jerian Grant and Holliday started to begin the year last year.

Ah, I see. We're looking for another 3-20 start to the season.

That really isnt the point.

What is the point? Seeing as the team started 3-20, obviously not doing it to win more games.

Symbolism? That is a terrible reason for anything.

Making the kids "earn it"? Only Dunn would qualify since Lavine was out injured and Holiday wound up being better than LavIne in regards to impact, anyway..

Showcasing the players who won't be part of this team for long in hopes of getting better value for them? Noting that we got nothing at all for Jerian Grant, regardless, and Holiday is still here, that can't be it.

Seems like faulty logic to me and just doing something because it's the perceived "right thing to do". I would rather just do what I think is in the best interests of the Bulls for the long term. Puppies can swim, they just don't know it until you throw them in the water.

[johnnyvann840]

Lopez , Asik, Felicio are very important contractual pieces to utilize this season in preparation for the next.

For example, I'd love to be the team that facilitates a 3 team deal where :

Team 1 gets the overpaid talent
Team 2 gets cap space and LT savings
Team 3 ( Bulls ) get rid of Felicio and Asik's future salary of 2019 --- 11 Million dollars cap hit.

What's in this for Team 1 again and why do they do it?

[Ctownbulls]

Ah, I see. We're looking for another 3-20 start to the season.

That really isnt the point.

What is the point? Seeing as the team started 3-20, obviously not doing it to win more games.

Symbolism? That is a terrible reason for anything.

Making the kids "earn it"? Only Dunn would qualify since Lavine was out injured and Holiday wound up being better than LavIne in regards to impact, anyway..

Showcasing the players who won't be part of this team for long in hopes of getting better value for them? Noting that we got nothing at all for Jerian Grant, regardless.

Seems like faulty logic to me and just doing something because it's the perceived "right thing to do". I would rather just do what I think is in the best interests of the Bulls for the long term. Puppies can swim, they just don't know it until you throw them in the water.

Why are you arguing with me as if I don't want the young guys to play or Carter to start lol? I am just saying the Bulls historically make the young guys earn it and play vets.

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[johnnyvann840]

That really isnt the point.

What is the point? Seeing as the team started 3-20, obviously not doing it to win more games.

Symbolism? That is a terrible reason for anything.

Making the kids "earn it"? Only Dunn would qualify since Lavine was out injured and Holiday wound up being better than LavIne in regards to impact, anyway..

Showcasing the players who won't be part of this team for long in hopes of getting better value for them? Noting that we got nothing at all for Jerian Grant, regardless.

Seems like faulty logic to me and just doing something because it's the perceived "right thing to do". I would rather just do what I think is in the best interests of the Bulls for the long term. Puppies can swim, they just don't know it until you throw them in the water.

Why are you arguing with me as if I don't want the young guys to play or Carter to start lol? I am just saying the Bulls historically make the young guys earn it and play vets.

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Not arguing with you. I was asking what the point is. Maybe the Bulls should change the way they do things since what they've been doing hasn't exactly worked out very well in this regard.

[Ctownbulls]

What is the point? Seeing as the team started 3-20, obviously not doing it to win more games.

Symbolism? That is a terrible reason for anything.

Making the kids "earn it"? Only Dunn would qualify since Lavine was out injured and Holiday wound up being better than LavIne in regards to impact, anyway..

Showcasing the players who won't be part of this team for long in hopes of getting better value for them? Noting that we got nothing at all for Jerian Grant, regardless.

Seems like faulty logic to me and just doing something because it's the perceived "right thing to do". I would rather just do what I think is in the best interests of the Bulls for the long term. Puppies can swim, they just don't know it until you throw them in the water.

Why are you arguing with me as if I don't want the young guys to play or Carter to start lol? I am just saying the Bulls historically make the young guys earn it and play vets.

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Not arguing with you. I was asking what the point is. Maybe the Bulls should change the way they do things since what they've been doing hasn't exactly worked out very well in this regard.

I think we all agree the Bulls should change how they do things in respect to a lot of things. They have constantly proven that they don't evolve. It is what it is. This is why I previously said they will need to luck into a contending team (just like they did with D. Rose) instead of actually building one.

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[johnnyvann840]

^^ Case in point. The Bulls only started Lauri last season because they were forced to by a Bobby Portis punch. That break from what the team has historically done actually worked out great (until Lavine came back and F'd it up for Lauri). Maybe they should just do it this time without needing one player to punch his teammate in the face.

[micromonkey]

Def start him--only issue is to make sure he learns to play right and get better--he seems smart -should be very coachable and flexible. Not that Thibs redshirt is the way to do it--but make sure he's working to get better as he already has a bit of polish--he could easily coast on that and still do well.

I tend to think his BBIQ is smart enough to "get it" already and even if he doesn't have crazy athleticism upside (I think its at least "good")--keep learning the skills. He seems like a guy who should be able to get what you need- ie help keep a guy off glass if he's going nuts, score inside if needed, stretch a bit if needed, play smart D, set good screens - or a little bit of all of it etc. The story about Duke and his changing role seem to all confirm he can be a swiss army knife.

His potential IMO is to be an RPM all-star--maybe even as a 19/8 -ish box score guy. Getting to line seems to be one thing to work on. I mean its still just SL but if you are going to guess from that--that is my guess.

[bigworld2017]

There is nothing wrong with a strategy that has RoLo starting to begin the season and having a fairly even split in minutes. Let Wendell get used to the increased physicality and speed of regular season NBA while gaining experience and confidence against bench players. Then slowly ratchet up his minutes especially in "crunch time". By the First of the year he takes over as the starter. There is no need to rush him. Of course if the team clicks in pre-season better with Wendell on the floor then he starts from Day 1. Let the game come to him. We don't need to force the issue. He will be the starter at some point this season.

[Peelboy]

IMO Lopez likely starting has little to do with wins or showcasing him and everything to do with development of Dunn/LaVine/Lauri. Having a guy like Lopez freeing you on screens, moving to the right place on the pick & pop, making the good entry pass into the post, etc helps develop the younger players. It also shows Carter what he needs to do.

Of course as soon as Wendell can do those things (and I don't expect it to take long), he should absolutely start. But you can't look at his starting in a vacuum (i.e., better for him to get more run).

[wolffy]

Ok i'm just gonna say it... the Block Panther stuff is super cringey.

[Electric Slim]

Ok i'm just gonna say it... the Block Panther stuff is super cringey.

Absolutely

[musiqsoulchild]

Lopez , Asik, Felicio are very important contractual pieces to utilize this season in preparation for the next.

For example, I'd love to be the team that facilitates a 3 team deal where :

Team 1 gets the overpaid talent
Team 2 gets cap space and LT savings
Team 3 ( Bulls ) get rid of Felicio and Asik's future salary of 2019 --- 11 Million dollars cap hit.

What's in this for Team 1 again and why do they do it?

Team 1 gets the overpaid talent.

We dont know how the mid-season looks like. There are teams now that are committed to LT in the aspiration for a playoff spot. That may not transpire by mid-season.

For example, say Cleveland or Miami....lets say they are struggling to make a playoff spot. Then I can see either Love or Hassan Whiteside being packaged along with other future salary to clean their respective salary books of massive LT bills.

[musiqsoulchild]

^^ Case in point. The Bulls only started Lauri last season because they were forced to by a Bobby Portis punch. That break from what the team has historically done actually worked out great (until Lavine came back and F'd it up for Lauri). Maybe they should just do it this time without needing one player to punch his teammate in the face.

That would assume that drafting Lauri was plain luck.

I would vehemently disagree.

The Bulls know what they are doing. We may not agree with it - but they know how to phase in and phase out players.

[RememberLu]

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