NBA Trade Thread

[gobullschi]

If the Bulls were to obtain the number one overall pick in this year's lottery do you trade it for Ben Simmons along with probably Coby White and 2nd round picks for the next two seasons and cap filler with Satoranský and Young?

The advantages for the 76ers they get a true point Guard with equal passing abilities and a willingness to shoot on a much cheaper deal and several complementary pieces in Young and Sato. A shot creating perineal six man of the year and 2 prospects in two very deep drafts with HS players and college players available for drafting.

The Bulls get a chance to have a to 10 player in the league on their team to build around. Simmons with shooting around him at all the other 4 positions would be insane and a bonafide playmaker and bucket getter just nasty.
PG: Simmons
SG: Lavine
SF: Porter
PF: Markkanen
C: Carter/Gafford

And if you really got creative the Jazz might do a Carter, Hutchison and filler for Gobbert. It's a long shot, but not impossible. Simmons at the 1 and Gobbert to anchor the defense the Bulls become a to 5 team in the East with bench construction being the key element for a legitimate title run.

Yes. Love the idea of a Simmons / LaVine backcourt, but I doubt Philadelphia does this. Wouldn’t do the Gobert deal.

[sco]

If the Bulls were to obtain the number one overall pick in this year's lottery do you trade it for Ben Simmons along with probably Coby White and 2nd round picks for the next two seasons and cap filler with Satoranský and Young?

The advantages for the 76ers they get a true point Guard with equal passing abilities and a willingness to shoot on a much cheaper deal and several complementary pieces in Young and Sato. A shot creating perineal six man of the year and 2 prospects in two very deep drafts with HS players and college players available for drafting.

The Bulls get a chance to have a to 10 player in the league on their team to build around. Simmons with shooting around him at all the other 4 positions would be insane and a bonafide playmaker and bucket getter just nasty.
PG: Simmons
SG: Lavine
SF: Porter
PF: Markkanen
C: Carter/Gafford

And if you really got creative the Jazz might do a Carter, Hutchison and filler for Gobbert. It's a long shot, but not impossible. Simmons at the 1 and Gobbert to anchor the defense the Bulls become a to 5 team in the East with bench construction being the key element for a legitimate title run.

Yes. Love the idea of a Simmons / LaVine backcourt, but I doubt Philadelphia does this. Wouldn’t do the Gobert deal.

I'm not sure Phi would want Coby given his age and inconsistency. I would love to do a deal centered around Porter, Sato and Thad plus our unprotected pick this season. I'd throw in Gafford if needed. Also, I think Simmons at the SF makes sense with Coby, Zach, Lauri and Carter.

[drosereturn]

Back again.

Gary Harris, Monte Morris, Bol Bol, Rockets 2020 1st, Denver 2022 1st(unprotected), Denver 2024 Pick swap

for

Zach Lavine

Yep, I'd do it.

I don't know... Harris had a real down year.

Lavine is the better scorer while you can make a case for Harris being a more complete player.

Bol bol is a project in every sense of the word and has no value to me right now

Morris is what, a slight upgrade on RyanA?

Both those picks wouldn't be that appealing as they would be in the back end of the draft.

I would be more inclined to offer Lavine, Sato or Young and a 2nd for Harris, an undesirable contract (I don't know Denver's situation) Morris, Porter and the 22 1st

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Woah. Harris was the superior player until recent yrs and thats mostly has to do with usage issue. Any player is going to look like horse if your taking 10 shots per game. Bol, Morris, and 1 pick already makes it so worth Im not even looking back and run.
Sure, your losing 2nd best player but at the same time you gain an entire bench for basically free that literally guarantees playoffs.

[MrSparkle]

Yep, I'd do it.

I don't know... Harris had a real down year.

Lavine is the better scorer while you can make a case for Harris being a more complete player.

Bol bol is a project in every sense of the word and has no value to me right now

Morris is what, a slight upgrade on RyanA?

Both those picks wouldn't be that appealing as they would be in the back end of the draft.

I would be more inclined to offer Lavine, Sato or Young and a 2nd for Harris, an undesirable contract (I don't know Denver's situation) Morris, Porter and the 22 1st

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Woah. Harris was the superior player until recent yrs and thats mostly has to do with usage issue. Any player is going to look like horse if your taking 10 shots per game. Bol, Morris, and 1 pick already makes it so worth Im not even looking back and run.
Sure, your losing 2nd best player but at the same time you gain an entire bench for basically free that literally guarantees playoffs.

I don’t understand the fascination with selling higher value players (Zach is a prime fringe all-star coming off career-high stats on a cap-friendly deal) for guys registering career-lows or complete projects with low odds of panning out in the NBA.

You do realize Morris, Bol and Harris can be acquired with the likes of “junk” assets, right? Sato, Thad, 2nd rd picks, 20-30 FRP, expiring contract (Felicio).

Why is Zach in these conversations? I’d use Zach to “trade up” for an all-star two-way wing.

[Kazuya10]

I don't know... Harris had a real down year.

Lavine is the better scorer while you can make a case for Harris being a more complete player.

Bol bol is a project in every sense of the word and has no value to me right now

Morris is what, a slight upgrade on RyanA?

Both those picks wouldn't be that appealing as they would be in the back end of the draft.

I would be more inclined to offer Lavine, Sato or Young and a 2nd for Harris, an undesirable contract (I don't know Denver's situation) Morris, Porter and the 22 1st

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Woah. Harris was the superior player until recent yrs and thats mostly has to do with usage issue. Any player is going to look like horse if your taking 10 shots per game. Bol, Morris, and 1 pick already makes it so worth Im not even looking back and run.
Sure, your losing 2nd best player but at the same time you gain an entire bench for basically free that literally guarantees playoffs.

I don’t understand the fascination with selling higher value players (Zach is a prime fringe all-star coming off career-high stats on a cap-friendly deal) for guys registering career-lows or complete projects with low odds of panning out in the NBA.

You do realize Morris, Bol and Harris can be acquired with the likes of “junk” assets, right? Sato, Thad, 2nd rd picks, 20-30 FRP, expiring contract (Felicio).

Why is Zach in these conversations? I’d use Zach to “trade up” for an all-star two-way wing.

I dunno, you get enough talent coming back being Porter Jr, Morris, Harris and a Pick.. at least 1 should pan out and in a vacuum and the sum of the total parts could get you further then what Lavine could himself. IMO you sell high on a fringe all star that has a major flaw in his game.

Kind of like take 2 steps back to take 3 forward.

Thats why I was asking for Porter instead of Bol Bol, your only as good as your last season.
Look at Lavines compared to Harris', thats why i feel confident asking for Porter over Bol Bol. Denver is insanely talented and can make a real push with Lavine instead of keeping Porter and playing him 15mpg

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[GimmeDat]

I don't know... Harris had a real down year.

Lavine is the better scorer while you can make a case for Harris being a more complete player.

Bol bol is a project in every sense of the word and has no value to me right now

Morris is what, a slight upgrade on RyanA?

Both those picks wouldn't be that appealing as they would be in the back end of the draft.

I would be more inclined to offer Lavine, Sato or Young and a 2nd for Harris, an undesirable contract (I don't know Denver's situation) Morris, Porter and the 22 1st

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Woah. Harris was the superior player until recent yrs and thats mostly has to do with usage issue. Any player is going to look like horse if your taking 10 shots per game. Bol, Morris, and 1 pick already makes it so worth Im not even looking back and run.
Sure, your losing 2nd best player but at the same time you gain an entire bench for basically free that literally guarantees playoffs.

I don’t understand the fascination with selling higher value players (Zach is a prime fringe all-star coming off career-high stats on a cap-friendly deal) for guys registering career-lows or complete projects with low odds of panning out in the NBA.

You do realize Morris, Bol and Harris can be acquired with the likes of “junk” assets, right? Sato, Thad, 2nd rd picks, 20-30 FRP, expiring contract (Felicio).

Why is Zach in these conversations? I’d use Zach to “trade up” for an all-star two-way wing.

I'm not sure in what world Gary Harris, a bona fide NBA starter, can be available for 'junk'.

[MrSparkle]

Woah. Harris was the superior player until recent yrs and thats mostly has to do with usage issue. Any player is going to look like horse if your taking 10 shots per game. Bol, Morris, and 1 pick already makes it so worth Im not even looking back and run.
Sure, your losing 2nd best player but at the same time you gain an entire bench for basically free that literally guarantees playoffs.

I don’t understand the fascination with selling higher value players (Zach is a prime fringe all-star coming off career-high stats on a cap-friendly deal) for guys registering career-lows or complete projects with low odds of panning out in the NBA.

You do realize Morris, Bol and Harris can be acquired with the likes of “junk” assets, right? Sato, Thad, 2nd rd picks, 20-30 FRP, expiring contract (Felicio).

Why is Zach in these conversations? I’d use Zach to “trade up” for an all-star two-way wing.

I'm not sure in what world Gary Harris, a bona fide NBA starter, can be available for 'junk'.

What is your definition of bona fide? Injury prone, -0.2 VORP, 9.7 PER, drew 1.6 FTs per game, and shot 33% from the arc on 3.8 attempts. Cost? $20m.

Zach Lavine is a bona fide starter at that price. Not Gary Harris. I'm not making that swap no matter how many G-League Bol Bols you throw in.

Maybe 'junk' is too harsh a word, but "replaceable salary" ? Thad, Sato. Same category.

Denver is currently a bad trade partner. They have a lot of solid talent for a good team, but Jokic is their glue. Without him, they'd be the most 'meandering' roster in the league. But with Jokic and considering their relatively solid success the past decade, I do like their build (for what it is) and don't mean to knock their organization. But they don't have roster parts I'd want to trade for.

I still see Philadelphia, Utah, Phoenix and Boston (well, kind of- Ainge isn't really amicable) as the ideal trade partners. We need SFs or point-wings, and they've got em.

[GimmeDat]

I don’t understand the fascination with selling higher value players (Zach is a prime fringe all-star coming off career-high stats on a cap-friendly deal) for guys registering career-lows or complete projects with low odds of panning out in the NBA.

You do realize Morris, Bol and Harris can be acquired with the likes of “junk” assets, right? Sato, Thad, 2nd rd picks, 20-30 FRP, expiring contract (Felicio).

Why is Zach in these conversations? I’d use Zach to “trade up” for an all-star two-way wing.

I'm not sure in what world Gary Harris, a bona fide NBA starter, can be available for 'junk'.

What is your definition of bona fide? Injury prone, -0.2 VORP, 9.7 PER, drew 1.6 FTs per game, and shot 33% from the arc on 3.8 attempts. Cost? $20m.

Zach Lavine is a bona fide starter at that price. Not Gary Harris. I'm not making that swap no matter how many G-League Bol Bols you throw in.

Maybe 'junk' is too harsh a word, but "replaceable salary" ? Thad, Sato. Same category.

Denver is currently a bad trade partner. They have a lot of solid talent for a good team, but Jokic is their glue. Without him, they'd be the most 'meandering' roster in the league. But with Jokic and considering their relatively solid success the past decade, I do like their build (for what it is) and don't mean to knock their organization. But they don't have roster parts I'd want to trade for.

I still see Philadelphia, Utah, Phoenix and Boston (well, kind of- Ainge isn't really amicable) as the ideal trade partners. We need SFs or point-wings, and they've got em.

You're referring to his down season, which was the result of a multitude of factors including injury.

From 2016-2018 he had a 60% TS, 3apg, 16ppg, and was an exceptional defender.

I'll try and find a good explanation of the factors that have limited Harris' effectiveness in the past season or so, but he does absolutely have a proven track record of being an impact starter.

[Chi town]

Only way you do that Den deal is because of the picks.

AK knows DEN. Evs knows Philly. If we make a deal it’s because they know it’s sets us up.

Both have talked a lot about winning. I don’t see them leading a rebuild with lots of losing. If a Lavine goes it will be a move or series of moves that makes us better quick.

[bullsnewdynasty]

If the Bulls were to obtain the number one overall pick in this year's lottery do you trade it for Ben Simmons along with probably Coby White and 2nd round picks for the next two seasons and cap filler with Satoranský and Young?

The advantages for the 76ers they get a true point Guard with equal passing abilities and a willingness to shoot on a much cheaper deal and several complementary pieces in Young and Sato. A shot creating perineal six man of the year and 2 prospects in two very deep drafts with HS players and college players available for drafting.

The Bulls get a chance to have a to 10 player in the league on their team to build around. Simmons with shooting around him at all the other 4 positions would be insane and a bonafide playmaker and bucket getter just nasty.
PG: Simmons
SG: Lavine
SF: Porter
PF: Markkanen
C: Carter/Gafford

And if you really got creative the Jazz might do a Carter, Hutchison and filler for Gobbert. It's a long shot, but not impossible. Simmons at the 1 and Gobbert to anchor the defense the Bulls become a to 5 team in the East with bench construction being the key element for a legitimate title run.

Not a chance.

I may be in the minority, but I think Edwards and Wiseman both have superstar potential. Simmons is about to get very expensive, and you can't win anything with him as your best player. Not to mention throwing in Coby, which is just reckless at that point.

[drosereturn]

I'm not sure in what world Gary Harris, a bona fide NBA starter, can be available for 'junk'.

What is your definition of bona fide? Injury prone, -0.2 VORP, 9.7 PER, drew 1.6 FTs per game, and shot 33% from the arc on 3.8 attempts. Cost? $20m.

Zach Lavine is a bona fide starter at that price. Not Gary Harris. I'm not making that swap no matter how many G-League Bol Bols you throw in.

Maybe 'junk' is too harsh a word, but "replaceable salary" ? Thad, Sato. Same category.

Denver is currently a bad trade partner. They have a lot of solid talent for a good team, but Jokic is their glue. Without him, they'd be the most 'meandering' roster in the league. But with Jokic and considering their relatively solid success the past decade, I do like their build (for what it is) and don't mean to knock their organization. But they don't have roster parts I'd want to trade for.

I still see Philadelphia, Utah, Phoenix and Boston (well, kind of- Ainge isn't really amicable) as the ideal trade partners. We need SFs or point-wings, and they've got em.

You're referring to his down season, which was the result of a multitude of factors including injury.

From 2016-2018 he had a 60% TS, 3apg, 16ppg, and was an exceptional defender.

I'll try and find a good explanation of the factors that have limited Harris' effectiveness in the past season or so, but he does absolutely have a proven track record of being an impact starter.

As you mentioned until 2018, Harris was an absolute stud gunning for his all star spot. I dont know why he suddenly is not taking shots at all. Maybe the injury affected his performance, maybe not. If they get Harris, I am not expecting to replicate those elite efficiency on decent scoring but bounce back from one of his worst seasons. After all, he is they prototypical sg I have been chasing for yrs and Bulls probably regret not drafting way back. Although somewhat overpaid, his next contract is certainly going to be a bargain and I wouldnt mind keeping both him and Valentine who are solid Michigan state product who knows how to play the game, plays within the system and has high bbiq with intangibles.

I dont really want a star at sg even if there was one available. Someone at the 1, or who can play 3/4/5 is who I want to offer the number 1 option, or 40 usg. All Harris and White has to do is provide stable production and not cause problems for the team.

[TheSuzerain]

Paying Gary Harris $20 million to be our shooting guard is not the road to salvation.

I don't think I'd take him for free.

[MrSparkle]

Paying Gary Harris $20 million to be our shooting guard is not the road to salvation.

I don't think I'd take him for free.

I don't get it either. I acknowledge Gary is a much better defender than Zach, and young enough to turn it around, but his game has 2 years of downward trending. Kind of reminds me of Avery Bradley. Maybe the injuries are getting to him, cause his shooting just keeps getting worse. It just makes no sense replacing Zach with him, who costs the same and on the contrary has trended upwards and improved in defense (mildly) and awareness.

I basically think that Zach's usage needs to come down a lot (at least 5%) and he needs to dedicate an off-season to his off-ball awareness (Klay, Korver, Ray, JJ) along with court vision. He has poor understanding of fundamentals and 'angles' in offensive structure. Basically just been playing bully ball (duck, charge and drive), without the size or power like a Lebron to make it work. The offense was miserable with Zach "running" it. I don't know if it was Boylen, Fleming, Zach, GarPax - lot of blame to go around.

But all that said, his athletic and scoring potential leaves Harris in the dust, and he's in a small handful of guards with elite scoring ability. For better or worse (irrational confidence). I'd like the new FO and new coaching direction to give Zach a chance with Coby and Otto as primary ball-handlers. I'd sooner want to see him develop in a new look than "downgrading" to a Gary Harris.

Again, I don't mind trading Zach... but I would absolutely save him for an all-star trade. Consolidate him with a few picks (WCJ or Lauri, maybe Coby, upcoming FRP), and that's a very reasonable offer for the next disgruntled star.

[TheSuzerain]

Anyone expecting Lavine to improve his awareness and court vision is preparing themselves for disappointment. That stuff is almost entirely baked in after 5 years in the NBA. It's not like Lavine hasn't had ample opportunity to show those traits if he had them. He doesn't have them and never will.

[gobullschi]

Anyone expecting Lavine to improve his awareness and court vision is preparing themselves for disappointment. That stuff is almost entirely baked in after 5 years in the NBA. It's not like Lavine hasn't had ample opportunity to show those traits if he had them. He doesn't have them and never will.

Your over analyzing LaVine. He is an ascending young shooting guard (not point guard) and one of the future star players of the NBA. KD said LaVine will be one of the top 5 future superstars.

It’s interesting for a Bulls fan to say a player cannot improve on skills at his age after watching Jimmy Butler develop later on just a few years ago. Regardless, LaVine isn’t the problem. It’s management job to surround him with talent and so far Markkanen, Dunn, WCJ, and Porter have all failed to develop into anything. Somehow AK needs to find a way to get the Bulls their own ‘Big 3’. It certainly doesn’t start by trading LaVine for Gary Harris. What a joke.

[TheSuzerain]

Anyone expecting Lavine to improve his awareness and court vision is preparing themselves for disappointment. That stuff is almost entirely baked in after 5 years in the NBA. It's not like Lavine hasn't had ample opportunity to show those traits if he had them. He doesn't have them and never will.

Your over analyzing LaVine. He is an ascending young shooting guard (not point guard) and one of the future star players of the NBA. KD said LaVine will be one of the top 5 future superstars.

It’s interesting for a Bulls fan to say a player cannot improve on skills at his age after watching Jimmy Butler develop later on just a few years ago. Regardless, LaVine isn’t the problem. It’s management job to surround him with talent and so far Markkanen, Dunn, WCJ, and Porter have all failed to develop into anything. Somehow AK needs to find a way to get the Bulls their own ‘Big 3’. It certainly doesn’t start by trading LaVine for Gary Harris. What a joke.

Butler was a once in a generation ascent.

Lavine is a good example of how scoring can only go so far when you're mediocre to bad at everything else.

Lavine has value, but he's certainly no star.

[gobullschi]

Incoming Chicago:
LaMelo Ball (#1)
Andrew Wiggins
Rights to swap 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
2021 2nd Round Pick (MIN)

Incoming Golden State:
Otto Porter Jr.
James Wiseman (#7)
Chandler Hutchison
Shaq Harrison

Cap drop due to the shortened season could eliminate the Bulls from having the cap space needed for a top free agent in 2021. Even if they have enough space its doubtful Giannis leaves Milwaukee for Chicago and AD isn’t going to leave LA. That doesn’t leave a difference maker available. Instead, Bulls gamble on Andrew Wiggins upside while moving up in the draft (#1), getting another (likely) lotto pick in 2021 (via swap), and a pair of 2nd founders in 2021. It would be fun to see Wiggins and LaVine end up on the same team again.

LaMelo Ball / Coby White / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Adam Mokoko / Jay Scrubb
Andrew Wiggins / Tomas Satoransky
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

[sco]

Incoming Chicago:
LaMelo Ball (#1)
Andrew Wiggins
Rights to swap 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
2021 2nd Round Pick (MIN)

Incoming Golden State:
Otto Porter Jr.
James Wiseman (#7)
Chandler Hutchison
Shaq Harrison

Cap drop due to the shortened season could eliminate the Bulls from having the cap space needed for a top free agent in 2021. Even if they have enough space its doubtful Giannis leaves Milwaukee for Chicago and AD isn’t going to leave LA. That doesn’t leave a difference maker available. Instead, Bulls gamble on Andrew Wiggins upside while moving up in the draft (#1), getting another (likely) lotto pick in 2021 (via swap), and a pair of 2nd founders in 2021. It would be fun to see Wiggins and LaVine end up on the same team again.

LaMelo Ball / Coby White / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Adam Mokoko / Jay Scrubb
Andrew Wiggins / Tomas Satoransky
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

Wiggins? Wiggins? Just no.

I'm fine dumping our pick and Porter to try to get a better player, but honestly, I'd much rather have Porter than Wiggins.

I'm still on board with Lauri, Porter, Sato, our pick for Simmons.

[gobullschi]

Incoming Chicago:
LaMelo Ball (#1)
Andrew Wiggins
Rights to swap 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
2021 2nd Round Pick (MIN)

Incoming Golden State:
Otto Porter Jr.
James Wiseman (#7)
Chandler Hutchison
Shaq Harrison

Cap drop due to the shortened season could eliminate the Bulls from having the cap space needed for a top free agent in 2021. Even if they have enough space its doubtful Giannis leaves Milwaukee for Chicago and AD isn’t going to leave LA. That doesn’t leave a difference maker available. Instead, Bulls gamble on Andrew Wiggins upside while moving up in the draft (#1), getting another (likely) lotto pick in 2021 (via swap), and a pair of 2nd founders in 2021. It would be fun to see Wiggins and LaVine end up on the same team again.

LaMelo Ball / Coby White / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Adam Mokoko / Jay Scrubb
Andrew Wiggins / Tomas Satoransky
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet

Wiggins? Wiggins? Just no.

I'm fine dumping our pick and Porter to try to get a better player, but honestly, I'd much rather have Porter than Wiggins.

I'm still on board with Lauri, Porter, Sato, our pick for Simmons.

I’d be all for that deal too, but Philly isn’t going to move Simmons for that package. I don’t see why they would trade him to begin with.

I know Wiggins isn’t an ideal add because of his contract, but he is only 25 years old with potential and solves our vacancy at small forward. If the cap drops, will the Bulls have enough space to sign our dream scenario free agent (Greek Freak or AD)?

The Bulls would get the #1 pick this year and possibly the #1 pick next season.

[gobullschi]

Anyone expecting Lavine to improve his awareness and court vision is preparing themselves for disappointment. That stuff is almost entirely baked in after 5 years in the NBA. It's not like Lavine hasn't had ample opportunity to show those traits if he had them. He doesn't have them and never will.

Your over analyzing LaVine. He is an ascending young shooting guard (not point guard) and one of the future star players of the NBA. KD said LaVine will be one of the top 5 future superstars.

It’s interesting for a Bulls fan to say a player cannot improve on skills at his age after watching Jimmy Butler develop later on just a few years ago. Regardless, LaVine isn’t the problem. It’s management job to surround him with talent and so far Markkanen, Dunn, WCJ, and Porter have all failed to develop into anything. Somehow AK needs to find a way to get the Bulls their own ‘Big 3’. It certainly doesn’t start by trading LaVine for Gary Harris. What a joke.

Butler was a once in a generation ascent.

Lavine is a good example of how scoring can only go so far when you're mediocre to bad at everything else.

Lavine has value, but he's certainly no star.

So your saying Kevin Dura t doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

All the good teams have 3 stars. Your deflecting blame on LaVine when he doesn’t even have one other star.