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Re: Around The NBA : 21-22 Edition 

Post#1461 » by FriedRise » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:57 pm

Tough blow for Nets fans. They’re gonna be without KD and a part-time Kyrie for at least a month until after AS break.
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Post#1462 » by nitric0 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:02 pm

Man that is awful news about KD. As much as I hate the Nets, I respect Durant's game the most. He's one of the GOATs. and imo the best player in basketball.
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Post#1463 » by MrSparkle » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:55 pm

Well one thing you can safely say is every team’s had their injury/covid blows this season, including the Cavs, Heat, Nets, Bucks, Hawks… so I’d like to see this shortened Bulls squad prove they can win some games.

Glad Durant didn’t get it worse. Lot of knee injuries this week.
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Post#1464 » by BullChit » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:42 pm

Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.
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Post#1465 » by kulaz3000 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:13 pm

BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


So the same every single season for as long as the NBA has existed?

I think eventually the league will progressively reduce the regular season games down, however, it's not going to reduce the amount of injuries. Hell, they could skip the regular season all together and go straight into the playoffs and you'll still get injuries.

It's just a part of the NBA and sports in general, there is no exact science to avoid it.
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Post#1466 » by jStuNNa » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:14 pm

BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


82 games is insane when you think of how fast the game is played nowadays.

There shouldn't be any sets of back to back games. Everyone knows that the human body needs at least two days to properly recover.

The league should also extend the amount of time teams have off from games around the All-Star break so they have more time to rest, spend time with their families and integrate new players acquired during the trade deadline.

Basketball has become a nearly year-round sport. No reason the NBA needs to play 82 games to keep fans engaged. Even as a huge fan, I don't have time to watch that many games.
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Post#1467 » by cool007 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:29 pm

BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


I have no problem with the 82-games season but I do have problem with so many 4 games in 5 nights or 5 games in 7 nights - with Travel. That just takes too much toll on guys. Just look at last couple of weeks for us. We had back to back week with 4 games in 5 nights or seem like it.

Now go look at the Lakers schedule. They hardly have any back to backs (let alone 4 games in 5 nights) along with TON of home games and so many games against mediocre teams. They must have paid off to the schedule maker.

It's a HUGE surprise that Lakers' are still in the play-in and not in the top 4 with that kind of schedule.

Our schedule has been with ton of games lately and what hurts is that so many key guys being out - no wonder the defense has suffered. When players are in and out, it affects defense the most - usually offense too but when you have best scoring duo in the game, it didn't affect offense that much.
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Post#1468 » by Sever82 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:40 pm

BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


So the NBA has been 82 games for how many years? And now we want to baby players and say… “oh they need more rest”. The training, the medical treatments, the supplements, etc have all improved over the years so you would think players are better conditioned now. Is it the game or is it that players as recent as the early 2000s were putting in more work and effort to win versus most of todays players spending less time preparing and more time building their social media presence.
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Post#1469 » by Bulls2021 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:41 pm

Sever82 wrote:
BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


So the NBA has been 82 games for how many years? And now we want to baby players and say… “oh they need more rest”. The training, the medical treatments, the supplements, etc have all improved over the years so you would think players are better conditioned now. Is it the game or is it that players as recent as the early 2000s were putting in more work and effort to win versus most of todays players spending less time preparing and more time building their social media presence.

I don't like using this phrase, but it seems fitting here.

Ok boomer.
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Post#1470 » by BullChit » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:02 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


So the same every single season for as long as the NBA has existed?

I think eventually the league will progressively reduce the regular season games down, however, it's not going to reduce the amount of injuries. Hell, they could skip the regular season all together and go straight into the playoffs and you'll still get injuries.

It's just a part of the NBA and sports in general, there is no exact science to avoid it.


I mean skipping you the season is kinda silly don't you think... Oh wait hyperbole...

The 82 games is one thing... The jamming 82 games in with travel and so many games in so many nights. Now you add Covid into the mix...

Players don't have as much time to do the things the human body needs to rest between high intensity activity

Oh and to the dude who basically said "players these days need to lace up their bootstraps and stop complaining, players back in the day didn't and are fine" that is utter nonsense.

The amount of athletes who today struggle with lingering and chronic injuries because of their "play through" mentality is astronomical and not something that needs to be repeated just because it used to be the way.

Cavemen used to hit their women over the head and drag them to their caves and they didn't complain, perhaps you'd like to share your views on that good sir.
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Post#1471 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:40 pm

Bulls might keep up with the Nets with KD being out so long. Harden is balling and Kyrie is back, but it’s still a massive loss.
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Post#1472 » by dice » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:58 am

jStuNNa wrote:
BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


82 games is insane when you think of how fast the game is played nowadays.

There shouldn't be any sets of back to back games. Everyone knows that the human body needs at least two days to properly recover.

from playing basketball for 35 minutes? pros practice hard and do physical conditioning too. that's probably at least as physically taxing as game night. should that stuff be banned on off days?

i DO think that back-to-backs should be same building only (both at home or both on the road lakers/clippers). air travel is bad for recovery. i find it hard to believe that such a requirement would places undue burden on the schedulers
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Post#1473 » by BullChit » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:54 am

dice wrote:
jStuNNa wrote:
BullChit wrote:Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.


82 games is insane when you think of how fast the game is played nowadays.

There shouldn't be any sets of back to back games. Everyone knows that the human body needs at least two days to properly recover.

from playing basketball for 35 minutes? pros practice hard and do physical conditioning too. that's probably at least as physically taxing as game night. should that stuff be banned on off days?

i DO think that back-to-backs should be same building only (both at home or both on the road lakers/clippers). air travel is bad for recovery. i find it hard to believe that such a requirement would places undue burden on the schedulers


That's one compromise right there.

Didn't we have a game this season where we played Orlando Orlanda and then flew home to Chicago to play Miami the next day?

Maybe its more scheduling than the amount of games.
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Post#1474 » by Wingy » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:09 am

What’s the deal with Theis? So bad he can’t get off the bench for a terrible team? Why did they sign him to a 4 year contract?! :lol:

I know we can’t reacquire him.
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Post#1475 » by jc23 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:16 am

what the hell, golden state quickly back to getting stomped on again after their brief stomping of the chicago bulls. thats annoying to me.
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Post#1476 » by dice » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:55 am

BullChit wrote:
dice wrote:
jStuNNa wrote:
82 games is insane when you think of how fast the game is played nowadays.

There shouldn't be any sets of back to back games. Everyone knows that the human body needs at least two days to properly recover.

from playing basketball for 35 minutes? pros practice hard and do physical conditioning too. that's probably at least as physically taxing as game night. should that stuff be banned on off days?

i DO think that back-to-backs should be same building only (both at home or both on the road lakers/clippers). air travel is bad for recovery. i find it hard to believe that such a requirement would places undue burden on the schedulers


That's one compromise right there.

Didn't we have a game this season where we played Orlando Orlanda and then flew home to Chicago to play Miami the next day?

Maybe its more scheduling than the amount of games.

just played the nets at home and flew to boston for a game the next night!
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Post#1477 » by FriedRise » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:06 am

dice wrote:
BullChit wrote:
dice wrote:from playing basketball for 35 minutes? pros practice hard and do physical conditioning too. that's probably at least as physically taxing as game night. should that stuff be banned on off days?

i DO think that back-to-backs should be same building only (both at home or both on the road lakers/clippers). air travel is bad for recovery. i find it hard to believe that such a requirement would places undue burden on the schedulers


That's one compromise right there.
Didn't we have a game this season where we played Orlando Orlanda and then flew home to Chicago to play Miami the next day?

Maybe its more scheduling than the amount of games.

just played the nets at home and flew to boston for a game the next night!


Was actually the Warriors, but I won’t blame you. I turned that game off early too once Zach got injured and we immediately went down double digits. So that game never happened :D
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Post#1478 » by BullChit » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:25 am

FriedRise wrote:
dice wrote:
BullChit wrote:
That's one compromise right there.
Didn't we have a game this season where we played Orlando Orlanda and then flew home to Chicago to play Miami the next day?

Maybe its more scheduling than the amount of games.

just played the nets at home and flew to boston for a game the next night!


Was actually the Warriors, but I won’t blame you. I turned that game off early too once Zach got injured and we immediately went down double digits. So that game never happened :D


:lol: either way would have made more sense to have the Nets and Dubs game be the back to back.

But the larger issue is the scheduling for all teams. It's a horrible domino effect across the league.
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Post#1479 » by Ice Man » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:11 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:So the same every single season for as long as the NBA has existed?


Eh ... 1994. Just a past year that I picked at random. Here are the number of games missed by the elite players (my quick, anecdotal assessment of elite, that is) -

1) Ewing - 2
2) Shaq - 0
3) Scottie - 10
3) Reggie - 2
4) Daugherty - 32
5) Mourning - 22
6) Hakeem - 1
7) Mr. Robinson - 2
8) Malone - 0
9) Stockton - 0
10) Glove - 0
11) Kemp - 3
12) Barkley - 17
13) Clyde - 14

Eight of the 13 players on the list missed three games or fewer.

So no, I don't think star players missing 10 to 20 games per year, sometimes more, is par for the course for an 82 game season. It is now, for reasons which we can debate. It really wasn't back then.
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Post#1480 » by pipfan » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:18 pm

Interesting Iceman-could you do a few other seasons? Maybe 2002 and 1990? Just to see how it compares

Seems like players miss A LOT more now-and they play fewer minutes

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