Around The NBA : 21-22 Edition

[Sever82]

Does the NBA need to consider less games at this point.

Maybe its just Bulls being somewhat relevant again that I'm paying more attention but it does seem like more and more players are going down with injuries every week. Star players too like Dame, KD, almost Lavine...

I'd include AD but well his injuries are more par for the course really.

So the NBA has been 82 games for how many years? And now we want to baby players and say… “oh they need more rest”. The training, the medical treatments, the supplements, etc have all improved over the years so you would think players are better conditioned now. Is it the game or is it that players as recent as the early 2000s were putting in more work and effort to win versus most of todays players spending less time preparing and more time building their social media presence.

I don't like using this phrase, but it seems fitting here.

Ok boomer.

No Boomer here buddy, just not someone that thinks we should pamper these multi millionaires. It’s basketball… this is mma, football, hockey, etc. Even todays NBA rules are geared towards offense which means less physical contact. Stop making excuses for some of these guys.

[MrSparkle]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning. Since Rose, a lot more prominent players and prospects have been getting it. From Kawhi, Klay, Rondo, Murray to rising prospects Rubio, Gallinari, Jabari, Lavine.

And the list keeps getting bigger. The drives and hard cuts. I don’t know if schedule compression matters as much as just increasing the likelihood of injuries by sheer more minutes of injury opportunity, but I do think they should consider less games. For being fairly irrelevant, the regular season is a long grind. You play to win these pointless games in January (a lot of them btw), and sure seeding is important, but health is way more important for a good playoff bracket. No one wants to see decimated squads square up in May.

But the style of game is causing increased ACL injury. Kira Lewis wasn’t playing a lot of minutes but still went down. PJ Dozier. Just athletic guys trying to earn minutes. They’re usually freak accidents. Usually bad landings in traffic (Zach, Rose, Porzingis) or awkward entanglements or bumps (Jabari x2, Rubio).

Freaking awful. Still very thankful Zach and DJJ did not get the ACL tweet.

[Ice Man]

2002 -

Kidd - 0
Pierce - 0
Grant HIll - 68 (poor Grant)
Iverson - 23
MJ - 22
Carter - 22
Reggie - 3
Ray Allen - 13
Duncan - 0
Mr. Robinson - 4
Parker - 5
Dirk - 6
Nash - 0
KG - 1
CWebb - 28
Kobe - 2
Shaq - 16
Glove - 0
Marbury - 0

Somewhat more injuries than in '93, but 12 out of 19 players almost unscathed.

1990 -

Barkley - 3
Bird - 7
McHale - 0
Chief - 3
Ewing - 0
Isiah - 1
Dumars - 6
Mike - 0
Scottie - 0
Daugherty - 41
Reggie - 0
Nique - 2
Mr. Robinson - 0
Malone - 0
Stockton - 4
Hakeem - 0
Magic - 3
Worthy - 2
Clyde - 9
Mullin - 4
Hardaway - 4

That is NBA basketball as I remember it. Guys pretty much played every game, always. It was real news when a star player missed more than a game here or there.

[Bulls2021]

So the NBA has been 82 games for how many years? And now we want to baby players and say… “oh they need more rest”. The training, the medical treatments, the supplements, etc have all improved over the years so you would think players are better conditioned now. Is it the game or is it that players as recent as the early 2000s were putting in more work and effort to win versus most of todays players spending less time preparing and more time building their social media presence.

I don't like using this phrase, but it seems fitting here.

Ok boomer.

No Boomer here buddy, just not someone that thinks we should pamper these multi millionaires. It’s basketball… this is mma, football, hockey, etc. Even todays NBA rules are geared towards offense which means less physical contact. Stop making excuses for some of these guys.

The professionals seem to think that limiting their minutes is necessary. Guys are bigger, faster and stronger than ever before. The pace is also higher than it was. I'm sure you are an expert being a realgm poster and all, but I'll trust the sports scientists that these teams employ.

[Bulls2021]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning. Since Rose, a lot more prominent players and prospects have been getting it. From Kawhi, Klay, Rondo, Murray to rising prospects Rubio, Gallinari, Jabari, Lavine.

And the list keeps getting bigger. The drives and hard cuts. I don’t know if schedule compression matters as much as just increasing the likelihood of injuries by sheer more minutes of injury opportunity, but I do think they should consider less games. For being fairly irrelevant, the regular season is a long grind. You play to win these pointless games in January (a lot of them btw), and sure seeding is important, but health is way more important for a good playoff bracket. No one wants to see decimated squads square up in May.

But the style of game is causing increased ACL injury. Kira Lewis wasn’t playing a lot of minutes but still went down. PJ Dozier. Just athletic guys trying to earn minutes. They’re usually freak accidents. Usually bad landings in traffic (Zach, Rose, Porzingis) or awkward entanglements or bumps (Jabari x2, Rubio).

Freaking awful. Still very thankful Zach and DJJ did not get the ACL tweet.

Back in da day you played 48 minutes and Bill Laimbeer kicked you in da nuts throughout da game! Deez modern athletes are soft divas dat don't play defense!

[MrSparkle]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning. Since Rose, a lot more prominent players and prospects have been getting it. From Kawhi, Klay, Rondo, Murray to rising prospects Rubio, Gallinari, Jabari, Lavine.

And the list keeps getting bigger. The drives and hard cuts. I don’t know if schedule compression matters as much as just increasing the likelihood of injuries by sheer more minutes of injury opportunity, but I do think they should consider less games. For being fairly irrelevant, the regular season is a long grind. You play to win these pointless games in January (a lot of them btw), and sure seeding is important, but health is way more important for a good playoff bracket. No one wants to see decimated squads square up in May.

But the style of game is causing increased ACL injury. Kira Lewis wasn’t playing a lot of minutes but still went down. PJ Dozier. Just athletic guys trying to earn minutes. They’re usually freak accidents. Usually bad landings in traffic (Zach, Rose, Porzingis) or awkward entanglements or bumps (Jabari x2, Rubio).

Freaking awful. Still very thankful Zach and DJJ did not get the ACL tweet.

Back in da day you played 48 minutes and Bill Laimbeer kicked you in da nuts throughout da game! Deez modern athletes are soft divas dat don't play defense!

Morale of the story: getting kicked in the nuts is a lot safer for the game.

Honestly, I do think perimeter checking made the game safer. Kept guys out the paint more, couldn't get to the rim with a full head of steam unless it was actually an open lane.

[Mbrahv0528]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning. Since Rose, a lot more prominent players and prospects have been getting it. From Kawhi, Klay, Rondo, Murray to rising prospects Rubio, Gallinari, Jabari, Lavine.

And the list keeps getting bigger. The drives and hard cuts. I don’t know if schedule compression matters as much as just increasing the likelihood of injuries by sheer more minutes of injury opportunity, but I do think they should consider less games. For being fairly irrelevant, the regular season is a long grind. You play to win these pointless games in January (a lot of them btw), and sure seeding is important, but health is way more important for a good playoff bracket. No one wants to see decimated squads square up in May.

But the style of game is causing increased ACL injury. Kira Lewis wasn’t playing a lot of minutes but still went down. PJ Dozier. Just athletic guys trying to earn minutes. They’re usually freak accidents. Usually bad landings in traffic (Zach, Rose, Porzingis) or awkward entanglements or bumps (Jabari x2, Rubio).

Freaking awful. Still very thankful Zach and DJJ did not get the ACL tweet.

It's more that these players are playing competitive basketball nonstop, year round, from a very going age in the AAU age than it is style of play. These kids are growing up with were and tear on their bodies that they didn't have decades ago. Fix the AAU bull and we go back to how it was injury wise.

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[step]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning.

I didn't think this was quite right... so I went on a dive to find:

1. Doug Collins tore his in 1980. 4x All-Star at this point.
2. Bob Lanier tore his ACL in college. 8x All-Star after that.
3. Bernard King tore his ACL when he broke his leg during his 85 All-Star season. 3 time All-Star at this point.
4. Mark Price his ACL in 1990, a year after his first All-Star game. Also went on to another 3 after that.
5. Doc Rivers tore his ACL in 93. All-Star in 88.
6. Tim Hardaway tore his in 93 too. 3 time All-Star at this point. 2 more after the fact.
7. Michael Redd also tore his ACL and MCL in 2010. Albeit he was an All-Star in 2004.
8. David West tore his ACL during 2011, 2 years after his back to back All-Star years (2008 and 2009).
9. Baron Davis tore his ACL in college (98) and still managed to become an All-Star. Then subsequently tore his ACL, MCL and patellar tendon in one hit. Ouch.
10. Kyle Lowry also tore his ACL in college (2004).

Old tweet, but it had a comprehensive list:

Read on Twitter

[step]

It's more that these players are playing competitive basketball nonstop, year round, from a very going age in the AAU age than it is style of play. These kids are growing up with were and tear on their bodies that they didn't have decades ago. Fix the AAU bull and we go back to how it was injury wise.

Another belief is that they are at the same time specialising to that 1 sport at the same time ... no longer doing a bunch of everything as many of us do as kids (playing all the sports possible).

[PaKii94]

Nets lose. Lauri played clutch defense on harden at the end. And we have Vuc shrugging all over the floor. What a bizarre alternate reality we are living in.

[Chi town]

Nets lose. Lauri played clutch defense on harden at the end. And we have Vuc shrugging all over the floor. What a bizarre alternate reality we are living in.

Cavs gonna win the East. Mildly joking.

The Allen Mobley wall around the rim is tough

[PaKii94]

Nets lose. Lauri played clutch defense on harden at the end. And we have Vuc shrugging all over the floor. What a bizarre alternate reality we are living in.

Cavs gonna win the East. Mildly joking.

The Allen Mobley wall around the rim is tough

I think they are last year's Hawks. They dropped a lot of the games early with injuries/covid but now are getting back in order

[kulaz3000]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning.

This seemed like a bogus statement if I've ever read one on these boards, so I'm really glad that someone has already debunked this quite clearly.

[MrSparkle]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning.

This seemed like a bogus statement if I've ever read one on these boards, so I'm really glad that someone has already debunked this quite clearly.

*Active all-star. Sorry misread/misparaphrased —Danny was the first active all star in a while since Bernard King in 85. So it just didn’t happen often before Rose, though of course there are many young/old stars who got the injury throughout time.

[Michael Jackson]

Before Rose, the only all-star to ever tear his ACL was Danny Manning.

I didn't think this was quite right... so I went on a dive to find:

1. Doug Collins tore his in 1980. 4x All-Star at this point.
2. Bob Lanier tore his ACL in college. 8x All-Star after that.
3. Bernard King tore his ACL when he broke his leg during his 85 All-Star season. 3 time All-Star at this point.
4. Mark Price his ACL in 1990, a year after his first All-Star game. Also went on to another 3 after that.
5. Doc Rivers tore his ACL in 93. All-Star in 88.
6. Tim Hardaway tore his in 93 too. 3 time All-Star at this point. 2 more after the fact.
7. Michael Redd also tore his ACL and MCL in 2010. Albeit he was an All-Star in 2004.
8. David West tore his ACL during 2011, 2 years after his back to back All-Star years (2008 and 2009).
9. Baron Davis tore his ACL in college (98) and still managed to become an All-Star. Then subsequently tore his ACL, MCL and patellar tendon in one hit. Ouch.
10. Kyle Lowry also tore his ACL in college (2004).

Old tweet, but it had a comprehensive list:

Read on Twitter

Dare we forget Iman Shumpert tearing his ACL at the same time as Rose and the timetable Rose was kept too not only by Shumpert but that of Adrian Peterson? Those were some fun fun fun happy times on this board

[Michael Jackson]

Nets lose. Lauri played clutch defense on harden at the end. And we have Vuc shrugging all over the floor. What a bizarre alternate reality we are living in.

Cavs gonna win the East. Mildly joking.

The Allen Mobley wall around the rim is tough

A Cav's vs Grizzlies final would be interesting. Never going to happen but well no way the hawks were getting to the ECF last year lol

[Michael Jackson]

Atlanta looks really empty tonight for a holiday game against the defending champs and a grudge match game from last years ECF. Might just be people in quarantine or the early start (6PM local though so not that early)

[Mbrahv0528]

It's more that these players are playing competitive basketball nonstop, year round, from a very going age in the AAU age than it is style of play. These kids are growing up with were and tear on their bodies that they didn't have decades ago. Fix the AAU bull and we go back to how it was injury wise.

Another belief is that they are at the same time specialising to that 1 sport at the same time ... no longer doing a bunch of everything as many of us do as kids (playing all the sports possible).

That's another one I've read and I agree that plays a part as well. It has absolutely nothing to do with "style of play" or whatever.

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[cool007]

Nets lose. Lauri played clutch defense on harden at the end. And we have Vuc shrugging all over the floor. What a bizarre alternate reality we are living in.

Cavs gonna win the East. Mildly joking.

The Allen Mobley wall around the rim is tough

I think they are last year's Hawks. They dropped a lot of the games early with injuries/covid but now are getting back in order

Cavs are the team that has been playing the teams missing either multiple key players or missing a star player. Tonight, no KD.

Still, they have been playing good and defined roles. Allen and Mobley protecting the paint so they can put a lot of pressure up top. Allen and Mobley also can score inside so that helps them. I personally think with Sexton getting out really unlocked Garland and his game. Everything clicked.

Also Cavs need to thank Bulls in the preseason - when Bulls beat them by 40 points in the preseason, their coach got on them big time and started that big lineup of Allen/Mobley and Lauri and they have not looked back since then.

[Chi town]

Cavs gonna win the East. Mildly joking.

The Allen Mobley wall around the rim is tough

I think they are last year's Hawks. They dropped a lot of the games early with injuries/covid but now are getting back in order

Cavs are the team that has been playing the teams missing either multiple key players or missing a star player. Tonight, no KD.

Still, they have been playing good and defined roles. Allen and Mobley protecting the paint so they can put a lot of pressure up top. Allen and Mobley also can score inside so that helps them. I personally think with Sexton getting out really unlocked Garland and his game. Everything clicked.

Also Cavs need to thank Bulls in the preseason - when Bulls beat them by 40 points in the preseason, their coach got on them big time and started that big lineup of Allen/Mobley and Lauri and they have not looked back since then.

Garland is playing like a future MVP. Hi ugly up there with Ja over last 15 games. He’s smooth.

Wanted Garland so bad in that draft. Knew he was going to really good. Didn’t see him this good this early though.