Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART

[dice]

8-12 w/ kyrie in the lineup

A side note but Kyrie has a lot of proving to do before I believe that he's not the most overrated player of my NBA lifetime. Lost miserably at Cleveland until LeBron took over, went to Boston and they were better the year before he came and better the year after he left, and now isn't doing jack for Brooklyn. The man should buy every LeBron child a birthday present, every year, because his reputation was made hitting that one 3-point shot in the Finals, which would never have happened if Kryie hadn't ridden LeBron on the back to get to that point.

Preach on, Ice Man. I will add that, imo, there is only one player more overrated than Irving and that is James Harden. Both players are street good but actually NBA good, um......no. Nets are not going to win anything if Durant is not healthy.

harden is nba great...in the regular season, anyway

[R3AL1TY]

Yea, Kyrie dropped the ball big time with that Boston opportunity. He is coming off way too entitled now yet he isn't displaying the right leadership to generate plenty wins and he can't stay on the court. Durant may have walked into a "toxic environment."

[MAQ]

Interesting to see how many players are donating money for arena workers. I think that's great, but also a travesty if billionaire owners are leaving it to the players to do rather than stepping in helping out themselves. I say if only because it is sometimes common for players to get this type of publicity but an owner may just do it quietly.

it's an outright loss for owners whereas the players get the higher Q rating in return for their sacrifice

Wait, you're implying that the owners wouldn't also receive the benefit of being thought of in a higher regard from the public?

That's simply not true.

[dougthonus]

Wait, you're implying that the owners wouldn't also receive the benefit of being thought of in a higher regard from the public?

That's simply not true.

It's questionable whether they can leverage that benefit as much. A player with a high Q rating can command tons of money through endorsements. An owner may see marginal more interest in his team.

Now whether donating 100k to pay arena salaries is going to earn you 100k (or more) back is pretty questionable, but it probably is a piece in the puzzle of shaping an image for some guys whom have a chance at mega endorsement deals. For someone like LeBron or Zion, it probably helps cement their image and keep that money rolling in. For someone like Zach or Lauri or really most players, it probably would do very little in terms of increasing marketability just like owners.

Either way, glad to see the Bulls did this on their own (along with some other teams). Even though everyone rips on the Bulls for being a PR disaster and being terrible with ex players and yada yada yada, they've generally behaved with good moral integrity from buying out Jay Williams, to hiring tons of former players, especially when they are in financial need, to doing this.

[Jimako10]

NBA Willing To Entertain Test Of Christmas To August Season

I wouldn't mind at all having the regular season pushed to Christmas and the finals in August. Nobody is watching basketball in November and December anyway because of football, and then you only have baseball to compete with in the summer, but it's regular season baseball so it's getting no national attention since it's more of a local sport than anything. I could definitely get behind this move.

[samwana]

NBA Willing To Entertain Test Of Christmas To August Season

I wouldn't mind at all having the regular season pushed to Christmas and the finals in August. Nobody is watching basketball in November and December anyway because of football, and then you only have baseball to compete with in the summer, but it's regular season baseball so it's getting no national attention since it's more of a local sport than anything. I could definitely get behind this move.

I wouldn't like that at all, in summer I don't have much time to watch and I don't want to take much time.

If basketball was being played outside, yeah I could see that, but since it is an indoor sport, I think it is nonsense to want to get people to go indoor sports in the summer. Autumn is the perfect time to start indoor basketball...

And I really don't like the massive tinkering with the NBA since Stern left. I thought it was a good thing Silver replaced Stern, but I'm not sure anymore. The game deteriorates from all the little and big changes.

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[dice]

Interesting to see how many players are donating money for arena workers. I think that's great, but also a travesty if billionaire owners are leaving it to the players to do rather than stepping in helping out themselves. I say if only because it is sometimes common for players to get this type of publicity but an owner may just do it quietly.

it's an outright loss for owners whereas the players get the higher Q rating in return for their sacrifice

Wait, you're implying that the owners wouldn't also receive the benefit of being thought of in a higher regard from the public?

That's simply not true.

how many owners do you know of that are filming commercials? do you know anyone who goes to a basketball game because of the owner? or DOESN'T because of the owner? it's not remotely the same thing. star players are almost always the faces of franchises. most owners wouldn't even be recognized walking down the street. the benefits to a player of ingratiating himself to a community are obvious. if the city of new orleans didn't love zion already, they sure as hell do now. and the image benefits for the player go beyond the city he plays in as well. this is a national story

[kodo]

Yea, Kyrie dropped the ball big time with that Boston opportunity. He is coming off way too entitled now yet he isn't displaying the right leadership to generate plenty wins and he can't stay on the court. Durant may have walked into a "toxic environment."

Yep there's no rational or logical reason for Kyrie to have left Boston. Loaded with young talent, elite coach, great GM, great fanbase, he's the #1 player on the team, weak EC conference, they were a top 3 seed even without him. But he left.

This is why I discount any fan opinions about player X never leaving their team. Butler didn't have any of the things Kyrie had in Boston, and somehow he was a lock to stay in Chicago one of the worst teams in the league. I don't believe it for a second. Players don't need good or even rational reasons to move teams. It's their right, being drafted to location X means nothing and they should be able to move around for their job where they please with no better reason other than "why not" just like the rest of us.

[MAQ]

it's an outright loss for owners whereas the players get the higher Q rating in return for their sacrifice

Wait, you're implying that the owners wouldn't also receive the benefit of being thought of in a higher regard from the public?

That's simply not true.

how many owners do you know of that are filming commercials? do you know anyone who goes to a basketball game because of the owner? or DOESN'T because of the owner? it's not remotely the same thing. star players are almost always the faces of franchises. most owners wouldn't even be recognized walking down the street. the benefits to a player of ingratiating himself to a community are obvious. if the city of new orleans didn't love zion already, they sure as hell do now. and the image benefits for the player go beyond the city he plays in as well. this is a national story

In this day in age, consumers are surely watching closely what the folks in charge of large corporations are doing in times like this.

I have read a handful of comments of how folks would stop following sports teams is they didnt step up and continue to pay these workers.

I dont know what a normal consumption of media is, so I dont want my experience to be represented as the norm, but I have seen Zion's move covered in the media just as frequently as i have seen Mark Cuban's pledge and the Bulls/Hawks ownership pledge as well.

[dice]

Wait, you're implying that the owners wouldn't also receive the benefit of being thought of in a higher regard from the public?

That's simply not true.

how many owners do you know of that are filming commercials? do you know anyone who goes to a basketball game because of the owner? or DOESN'T because of the owner? it's not remotely the same thing. star players are almost always the faces of franchises. most owners wouldn't even be recognized walking down the street. the benefits to a player of ingratiating himself to a community are obvious. if the city of new orleans didn't love zion already, they sure as hell do now. and the image benefits for the player go beyond the city he plays in as well. this is a national story

In this day in age, consumers are surely watching closely what the folks in charge of large corporations are doing in times like this.

I have read a handful of comments of how folks would stop following sports teams is they didnt step up and continue to pay these workers.

I dont know what a normal consumption of media is, so I dont want my experience to be represented as the norm, but I have seen Zion's move covered in the media just as frequently as i have seen Mark Cuban's pledge and the Bulls/Hawks ownership pledge as well.

google hits:

"zion williamson" workers coronavirus - 6.8 million
"chicago bulls" workers coronavirus - 607K
"mark cuban" workers coronavirus - 462K

all numbers decline slightly if you substitute the word 'employees' for 'workers

[dice]

so what team is the least likely to be getting preferential testing treatment right now? knicks?

[HomoSapien]

Here's a video from 2002, of Magic Johnson playing an exhibition game against the Michigan Spartans. He looks pretty damn good out there.

Watch on YouTube

[sco]

Saw this on yahoo: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/10-craziest-michael-jordan-stats

[PaKii94]

Saw this on yahoo: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/10-craziest-michael-jordan-stats

To me the craziest is 35 ppg and DPOY. People discount poor defense due to high usage but Jordan did both

Then the fact that Jordan scored more points than harden without 3 pointers. Especially considering the inflated stats of this era

[dice]

Saw this on yahoo: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/10-craziest-michael-jordan-stats

To me the craziest is 35 ppg and DPOY. People discount poor defense due to high usage but Jordan did both

Then the fact that Jordan scored more points than harden without 3 pointers. Especially considering the inflated stats of this era

well...jordan was a poor 3 pt shooter. his 32.7% career rate is bloated by the 2+ seasons he played where the line was moved in (40.4% when line shorter, 28.8% at normal distance). would he have "gotten with the times" and substantially improved that % if he played in today's league? who knows. would increasing his focus on the 3 pt shot have actually made him a less valuable player by taking him away from his strengths? who knows. all we can really do is judge players relative to the competition that they played against

[dice]

Here's a video from 2002, of Magic Johnson playing an exhibition game against the Michigan Spartans. He looks pretty damn good out there.

Watch on YouTube

i think it was only fairly recently that he stopped playing pretty regularly

[PaKii94]

Saw this on yahoo: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/10-craziest-michael-jordan-stats

To me the craziest is 35 ppg and DPOY. People discount poor defense due to high usage but Jordan did both

Then the fact that Jordan scored more points than harden without 3 pointers. Especially considering the inflated stats of this era

well...jordan was a poor 3 pt shooter. his 32.7% career rate is bloated by the 2+ seasons he played where the line was moved in (40.4% when line shorter, 28.8% at normal distance). would he have "gotten with the times" and substantially improved that % if he played in today's league? who knows. would increasing his focus on the 3 pt shot have actually made him a less valuable player by taking him away from his strengths? who knows. all we can really do is judge players relative to the competition that they played against

I think with his work ethic he could have made it respectable but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

It's impressive that he beat Harden's totals without a 3 point shot especially when a big chunk for Harden does come from the 3. Has anyone exceed Jordan since Jordan did it?

[dice]

To me the craziest is 35 ppg and DPOY. People discount poor defense due to high usage but Jordan did both

Then the fact that Jordan scored more points than harden without 3 pointers. Especially considering the inflated stats of this era

well...jordan was a poor 3 pt shooter. his 32.7% career rate is bloated by the 2+ seasons he played where the line was moved in (40.4% when line shorter, 28.8% at normal distance). would he have "gotten with the times" and substantially improved that % if he played in today's league? who knows. would increasing his focus on the 3 pt shot have actually made him a less valuable player by taking him away from his strengths? who knows. all we can really do is judge players relative to the competition that they played against

I think with his work ethic he could have made it respectable but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

It's impressive that he beat Harden's totals without a 3 point shot especially when a big chunk for Harden does come from the 3. Has anyone exceed Jordan since Jordan did it?

exceed in what regard?

[AKfanatic]

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[jc23]

This Friday on ESPN there will be a E60 about Rex Chapman. For those not old enough Rex was a former NBA player and a very good one at that. He even gave it to MJ once or twice. Anyway he has this fantastic twitter feed where he posts inspirational/funny videos that im a fan of. Apparently he had it rough after his time in the league and was living out of his car for a stint. Seems like a very good guy and im looking forward to watching the special.