The Around The NBA Thread

[Leslie Forman]

The Sixers seriously could have traded Simmons for Anthony Davis, given Jimmy the 5-year max he wanted, and just canned Brett Brown. Jimmy/AD/Embiid good god that's insane.

Instead they stuck with Brown and Simmons, they lost Jimmy, and now Simmons is worth a fraction of the trade value he used to have.

If I was a Philly fan I would be so incredibly pissed off at the owners, Colangelos, Brand, Brown, Silver - they really decimated one of the greatest collections of assets to build a team with we've ever seen in this league.

[kodo]

They'd be lucky to Coby for Simmons after that, much less Lavine.

Going to start calling him Ben "Nick Anderson" Simmons.

[BullChit]

Oosh... I think the 76rs should stay out of Philly for a while

[DuckIII]

Anyone who values Simmons is a basketball idiot. I just can't sugar coat it anymore fellas.

I would love to get him.

[Dresden]

Tobias Harris is also a big reason PHI lost this game. He's being paid a lot of money, and to come up with fewer than 10 points in a big game like this is major face plant.

[kulaz3000]

Tobias Harris is also a big reason PHI lost this game. He's being paid a lot of money, and to come up with fewer than 10 points in a big game like this is major face plant.

Yeah, but he is a role player. Games are won and lost, decided by the star players, but a player like Simmons has some significant holes in his game which negates many of the positives he brings. That said, I still stand by my comment about him being a good fit on this Bulls team, but his glaring issues would definitely be a concern, but if we can have multiple ball handlers, shot makers around him, and with a core of Zach and Vuc we would, it could definitely work. The Sixers though they have shooters, don't have enough ball handlers, and with Zach it could take some of the pressure off of Simmons down the stretch. Again, his hesitancy to shoot and his inability to take shots is a major concern, but with the right pieces around him, I don't think having him as the starting point guard would be impossible.

[WindyCityBorn]

Ben Simmons is so overrated. I don’t care how good he does everything else he is worthless as scorer.

[WindyCityBorn]

Anyone who values Simmons is a basketball idiot. I just can't sugar coat it anymore fellas.

I would love to get him.

He is good, but he would way down my list of dream acquisitions.

[WindyCityBorn]

Tobias Harris is also a big reason PHI lost this game. He's being paid a lot of money, and to come up with fewer than 10 points in a big game like this is major face plant.

Yeah, but he is a role player. Games are won and lost, decided by the star players, but a player like Simmons has some significant holes in his game which negates many of the positives he brings. That said, I still stand by my comment about him being a good fit on this Bulls team, but his glaring issues would definitely be a concern, but if we can have multiple ball handlers, shot makers around him, and with a core of Zach and Vuc we would, it could definitely work. The Sixers though they have shooters, don't have enough ball handlers, and with Zach it could take some of the pressure off of Simmons down the stretch. Again, his hesitancy to shoot and his inability to take shots is a major concern, but with the right pieces around him, I don't think having him as the starting point guard would be impossible.

You don’t pay role players $40 million per or whatever his ridiculous salary is. He gets paid like a top 10 player, but that is Philly’s dumb decision.

[TheSuzerain]

Tobias Harris is also a big reason PHI lost this game. He's being paid a lot of money, and to come up with fewer than 10 points in a big game like this is major face plant.

Yeah, but he is a role player. Games are won and lost, decided by the star players, but a player like Simmons has some significant holes in his game which negates many of the positives he brings. That said, I still stand by my comment about him being a good fit on this Bulls team, but his glaring issues would definitely be a concern, but if we can have multiple ball handlers, shot makers around him, and with a core of Zach and Vuc we would, it could definitely work. The Sixers though they have shooters, don't have enough ball handlers, and with Zach it could take some of the pressure off of Simmons down the stretch. Again, his hesitancy to shoot and his inability to take shots is a major concern, but with the right pieces around him, I don't think having him as the starting point guard would be impossible.

What positives does Simmons bring?

The guy is so bad offensively that people are now vastly overrating his defense so they can keep calling him a star.

He's never had a defensive on/off of better than like +2 in his entire career.

[Dan Z]

The Sixers seriously could have traded Simmons for Anthony Davis, given Jimmy the 5-year max he wanted, and just canned Brett Brown. Jimmy/AD/Embiid good god that's insane.

Instead they stuck with Brown and Simmons, they lost Jimmy, and now Simmons is worth a fraction of the trade value he used to have.

If I was a Philly fan I would be so incredibly pissed off at the owners, Colangelos, Brand, Brown, Silver - they really decimated one of the greatest collections of assets to build a team with we've ever seen in this league.

They also could've kept Mikal Bridges.

[dukeespn]

Tobias Harris is also a big reason PHI lost this game. He's being paid a lot of money, and to come up with fewer than 10 points in a big game like this is major face plant.

Yeah, but he is a role player. Games are won and lost, decided by the star players, but a player like Simmons has some significant holes in his game which negates many of the positives he brings. That said, I still stand by my comment about him being a good fit on this Bulls team, but his glaring issues would definitely be a concern, but if we can have multiple ball handlers, shot makers around him, and with a core of Zach and Vuc we would, it could definitely work. The Sixers though they have shooters, don't have enough ball handlers, and with Zach it could take some of the pressure off of Simmons down the stretch. Again, his hesitancy to shoot and his inability to take shots is a major concern, but with the right pieces around him, I don't think having him as the starting point guard would be impossible.

What positives does Simmons bring?

The guy is so bad offensively that people are now vastly overrating his defense so they can keep calling him a star.

He's never had a defensive on/off of better than like +2 in his entire career.

His offensive skillsets are so overrated. He can't create for himself and others well on halfcourt which is the main reason he always vanishes in important games. He attempted only one field goal at the 2nd half in this crucial game. He always tends to avoid contact at the rim and is afraid of shooting even free-throws. He has no outside shooting as well.

Also imagine having a maximum leadballhandler whom you have to sit down in crunchtime since he even can't hit free-throws. That's total joke.

[Leslie Forman]

They also could've kept Mikal Bridges.

Eh I don't blame the Sixers for some of the moves they did. No way you could predict that you're going to almost literally kill your draft pick. Even Fultz was not a bad move - I think he's shown that if he hadn't screwed up his shot, he would have been a great combo guard, the exact type of player that would have made Simmons expendable. And they did make the trade to get Jimmy in the first place.

Everything after the Jimmy trade? Utterly idiotic.

They went from having a Jimmy/Joel combo one bounce away from the Finals (they would've easily beaten Milwaukee IMO) to spending almost $360million on Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris.

[jc23]

i hate the idea of the hawks making the ecf.

[MrFortune3]

Philly is trying so hard to convince the world that Simmons and Embiid can fit together but man, Simmons wants to be the man of the franchise and he's not a good enough offensive player to do so. He's overrated as a defender as well.

[Am2626]

They'd be lucky to Coby for Simmons after that, much less Lavine.

Going to start calling him Ben "Nick Anderson" Simmons.

Maybe the Bulls can try and get Simmons as a buy low candidate?

[Tetlak]

I've been saying Simmons is just a poor man's tall Rondo for a while.

As for Tobias, he's been really good - he had one bad game. Let's take it easy on him.

[StunnerKO]

Tobias can’t be your number 2 scorer he can be the 3rd they need to ditch Tobias and find a better number 2 more a SG/ SF / PG that can get their own at a great to elite level

[CobyWhite0]

Per ESPN.com: In the past two postseasons, Rivers-coached teams are 11-5 when having at least a 16-point lead in a playoff game. Every other team in the NBA is 76-3 in that span.

Ouch.

[MGB8]

I've been saying Simmons is just a poor man's tall Rondo for a while.

As for Tobias, he's been really good - he had one bad game. Let's take it easy on him.

Simmons isn't nearly as good as Rondo was in his prime in the half-court. The whole notion that Simmons is a guy who can actually be your lead ball-handler and run point at a high level in the half-court is a sham. He's not quick enough with the ball to get to whatever spot he wants on the court against a set defense.

If he was, he'd be unstoppable even without a jumper because you'd have to throw 2-3 guys on him to stop him from getting inside, and with his height he'd be able to collapse and pass every time.

But he's not that good. He's better than Giannis in terms of running point - but he's no high level "point guard." He's a great and versatile defender and full-court player who brings a lot of passing and ball handling from the forward spot -- but is a serious shooting liability. Ironically, for all of his flaws, he'd fit nicely with the Bulls... but until he commit's to playing like the combo-forward (and occasional small-ball 5) that he is, plus some extra creation, his teams are going to be somewhat limited.

I do wonder of a Dame for Simmons and change trade could be arranged...